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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121372</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Why do they not get that?&lt;/i&gt;

Because they&#039;re still trying to figure out how to complain about someone belonging to a Christian church for 20 years and claim he&#039;s a Muslim.  Their brains just can&#039;t hold any more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why do they not get that?</i></p>
<p>Because they&#8217;re still trying to figure out how to complain about someone belonging to a Christian church for 20 years and claim he&#8217;s a Muslim.  Their brains just can&#8217;t hold any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros Hussein62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121351</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;there’s a reason it only applies to 5% of the population.&lt;/i&gt;

Why do they not get that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>there’s a reason it only applies to 5% of the population.</i></p>
<p>Why do they not get that?</p>
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		<title>By: Southern Quaker</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121305</link>
		<dc:creator>Southern Quaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if Joe was a plant or not - he certainly had his mind made up before he spoke to Obama, you can tell by the tenor of his question and his interviews afterwards. Obama told him just what he expected to hear, socialism blah blah blah, why am I being punished blah, blah blah...

What&#039;s more, the guy&#039;s either completely disingenuous (see above) or an idiot who doesn&#039;t even seem to understand the tax code he&#039;s against. 

To wit: He wants to purchase a business for $286,000. That does &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; imply that said business makes a &lt;b&gt;profit&lt;/b&gt; of $286,000 per year. There&#039;s overhead, and income and liability insurance, and licensing, and health insurance (oops! Joe doesn&#039;t want to buy insurance for his workers)... well, you get the picture. Chances are the business clears much less than $286,000/year and Joe won&#039;t be subject to Obama&#039;s proposed tax increase (there&#039;s a reason it only applies to 5% of the population.)

Of course, maybe this is an incredibly profitable plumbing company that &lt;i&gt;does&lt;/i&gt; pull down $286,000/year in &lt;b&gt;net&lt;/b&gt; profit (Joe&#039;s getting a hell of a deal!) In which case I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a crime to ask him to pay a bit more in taxes for the good of the country.

Conservatives like to claim the U.S. is the best country in the world. They just don&#039;t want to pay for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if Joe was a plant or not &#8211; he certainly had his mind made up before he spoke to Obama, you can tell by the tenor of his question and his interviews afterwards. Obama told him just what he expected to hear, socialism blah blah blah, why am I being punished blah, blah blah&#8230;</p>
<p>What&#8217;s more, the guy&#8217;s either completely disingenuous (see above) or an idiot who doesn&#8217;t even seem to understand the tax code he&#8217;s against. </p>
<p>To wit: He wants to purchase a business for $286,000. That does <b>not</b> imply that said business makes a <b>profit</b> of $286,000 per year. There&#8217;s overhead, and income and liability insurance, and licensing, and health insurance (oops! Joe doesn&#8217;t want to buy insurance for his workers)&#8230; well, you get the picture. Chances are the business clears much less than $286,000/year and Joe won&#8217;t be subject to Obama&#8217;s proposed tax increase (there&#8217;s a reason it only applies to 5% of the population.)</p>
<p>Of course, maybe this is an incredibly profitable plumbing company that <i>does</i> pull down $286,000/year in <b>net</b> profit (Joe&#8217;s getting a hell of a deal!) In which case I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s a crime to ask him to pay a bit more in taxes for the good of the country.</p>
<p>Conservatives like to claim the U.S. is the best country in the world. They just don&#8217;t want to pay for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros Hussein 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121304</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Well, let’s not Graeme Frost him.&lt;/i&gt;

No, of course not. I can wait for Michelle Malkin to do that.


Aaaaannnnyyy minute now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Well, let’s not Graeme Frost him.</i></p>
<p>No, of course not. I can wait for Michelle Malkin to do that.</p>
<p>Aaaaannnnyyy minute now.</p>
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121281</link>
		<dc:creator>Nimrod Gently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, let&#039;s not Graeme Frost him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, let&#8217;s not Graeme Frost him.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros Hussein 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121278</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 20:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>True. 

To expand on Joe the plumber, I still think he was a McCain &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barkobamablog.com/2008/10/joe-the-plumber.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;plant.&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;Politico is reporting that Joe is a registered Republican who owes back taxes. He also isn&#039;t &quot;undecided,&quot; since he told CBS News that the debate didn&#039;t change his mind. And since he compared Sen. Obama to Sammy Davis, Jr., in the same interview, in what I&#039;m guessing is a reference to his belief (and, cough, cough, McCain talking point) that Obama is all show, I&#039;m guessing he was already set on Sen. McCain. &quot;In the tank for,&quot; as the McCain folks are so fond of saying.

***

Joe (Joseph) or Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher -- or indeed any Wurzelbacher -- still doesn&#039;t seem to have a valid contractor&#039;s license in Ohio. (I always check licensing status on contractors!) He&#039;s now saying he doesn&#039;t need one, since he works for someone else. Well, Joe, that&#039;s not very forward-thinking of you, if you&#039;re hoping to buy the business, is it? &lt;/blockquote&gt;

A plant who doesn&#039;t know what he&#039;s talking about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True. </p>
<p>To expand on Joe the plumber, I still think he was a McCain <a href="http://www.barkobamablog.com/2008/10/joe-the-plumber.html" rel="nofollow">plant.</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Politico is reporting that Joe is a registered Republican who owes back taxes. He also isn&#8217;t &#8220;undecided,&#8221; since he told CBS News that the debate didn&#8217;t change his mind. And since he compared Sen. Obama to Sammy Davis, Jr., in the same interview, in what I&#8217;m guessing is a reference to his belief (and, cough, cough, McCain talking point) that Obama is all show, I&#8217;m guessing he was already set on Sen. McCain. &#8220;In the tank for,&#8221; as the McCain folks are so fond of saying.</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>Joe (Joseph) or Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher &#8212; or indeed any Wurzelbacher &#8212; still doesn&#8217;t seem to have a valid contractor&#8217;s license in Ohio. (I always check licensing status on contractors!) He&#8217;s now saying he doesn&#8217;t need one, since he works for someone else. Well, Joe, that&#8217;s not very forward-thinking of you, if you&#8217;re hoping to buy the business, is it? </p></blockquote>
<p>A plant who doesn&#8217;t know what he&#8217;s talking about.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121264</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I thought we already had.&lt;/i&gt;

I thought they already had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I thought we already had.</i></p>
<p>I thought they already had.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros Hussein 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121254</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And, do we really want to start guilt by association?&lt;/i&gt;

I thought we already had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And, do we really want to start guilt by association?</i></p>
<p>I thought we already had.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121252</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duros Hussein 62: &lt;i&gt;Interesting bit of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Just as I thought.&lt;/a&gt;

Joe the plumber was a plant.&lt;/i&gt;

Uh, Duros?  The article doesn&#039;t say that.  Doesn&#039;t even suggest it.

It doesn&#039;t even say &lt;b&gt;what&lt;/b&gt; Joe Wurzelbacher&#039;s relationship to Robert Wurzelbacher is, preferring the vague &quot;is a close relative&quot;.  Robert is specifically identified as Keating&#039;s son-in-law, but Joe?  Is he Robert&#039;s Nephew?  Son?  Third cousin twice removed on his mother&#039;s side?  Could the article not even find this one key fact?

And, do we really want to start guilt by association?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duros Hussein 62: <i>Interesting bit of <a href="http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/" rel="nofollow">Just as I thought.</a></p>
<p>Joe the plumber was a plant.</i></p>
<p>Uh, Duros?  The article doesn&#8217;t say that.  Doesn&#8217;t even suggest it.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t even say <b>what</b> Joe Wurzelbacher&#8217;s relationship to Robert Wurzelbacher is, preferring the vague &#8220;is a close relative&#8221;.  Robert is specifically identified as Keating&#8217;s son-in-law, but Joe?  Is he Robert&#8217;s Nephew?  Son?  Third cousin twice removed on his mother&#8217;s side?  Could the article not even find this one key fact?</p>
<p>And, do we really want to start guilt by association?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121245</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 19:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duros Hussein 62: &lt;i&gt;Fair enough, Farris, ya got me. I forgot that.
Point is yours.&lt;/i&gt;

Just to note, I&#039;m finding it very hard to picture Farris (or Jay or Mccann or ...) ever conceding on even a small point.  (To be fair, Jay Tea has.)

Good on ya, Duros.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duros Hussein 62: <i>Fair enough, Farris, ya got me. I forgot that.<br />
Point is yours.</i></p>
<p>Just to note, I&#8217;m finding it very hard to picture Farris (or Jay or Mccann or &#8230;) ever conceding on even a small point.  (To be fair, Jay Tea has.)</p>
<p>Good on ya, Duros.</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a Hick</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121218</link>
		<dc:creator>I'm a Hick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 18:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>…and Al Gore ‘wasn’t’ Bill Clinton in 2000.

True.  Maybe he should have been. Recently, it&#039;s hard for a party to win 3 elections in a row, even with a popular incumbent - Nixon in 1960, for example. Bush was able to in 1988.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>…and Al Gore ‘wasn’t’ Bill Clinton in 2000.</p>
<p>True.  Maybe he should have been. Recently, it&#8217;s hard for a party to win 3 elections in a row, even with a popular incumbent &#8211; Nixon in 1960, for example. Bush was able to in 1988.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros Hussein 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121214</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That, PG, was what I was driving at.

But I&#039;ll split the point with Farris anyway. In the spirit of bi-partisanship. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That, PG, was what I was driving at.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;ll split the point with Farris anyway. In the spirit of bi-partisanship. <img src='http://www.oliverwillis.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Bijan C. Bayne</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121212</link>
		<dc:creator>Bijan C. Bayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and Al Gore &#039;wasn&#039;t&#039; Bill Clinton in 2000.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and Al Gore &#8216;wasn&#8217;t&#8217; Bill Clinton in 2000.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros Hussein 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121211</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting bit of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Just as I thought.&lt;/a&gt;

Joe the plumber was a plant.

Nice try, Joe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting bit of <a href="http://www.eisenstadtgroup.com/2008/10/15/joe-the-plumber-wurzelbacher-related-to-charles-keating-oops/" rel="nofollow">Just as I thought.</a></p>
<p>Joe the plumber was a plant.</p>
<p>Nice try, Joe.</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a Hick</title>
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		<dc:creator>I'm a Hick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Cox wasn&#039;t Woodrow Wilson in 1920.

Adlai Stevenson wasn&#039;t Harry Truman in 1952.

Hubert Humphrey wasn&#039;t LBJ in 1968.

Gerald Ford wasn&#039;t Richard Nixon in 1976.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Cox wasn&#8217;t Woodrow Wilson in 1920.</p>
<p>Adlai Stevenson wasn&#8217;t Harry Truman in 1952.</p>
<p>Hubert Humphrey wasn&#8217;t LBJ in 1968.</p>
<p>Gerald Ford wasn&#8217;t Richard Nixon in 1976.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Bourgeois</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121203</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Bourgeois</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really, really isn&#039;t the conversation McCain wants to be having right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really, really isn&#8217;t the conversation McCain wants to be having right now.</p>
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		<title>By: PG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121199</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain frequently refers to the &quot;long line of McCains&quot; who have served the U.S. in the military: his grandfather, for whom an airfield where III once was posted was named; his father, commander of Pacific operations when III was a POW. I think this is a highly resonant story for people who see their lives as part of upholding a noble family tradition. Just as for people like me, who are the children of immigrants, Barack and Michelle Obama&#039;s story is resonant: striking out from what your parents did, becoming successful based on your own hard work and your family&#039;s emotional support rather than legacy admissions, not having your name be one that opens doors until you make it such a name. (And of course the experience of having a name that&#039;s considered &quot;weird&quot; -- no wonder Piyush Jindal decided to become Bobby.)

Or to put it another way: John McCain rarely lets an opportunity slip to refer to his pedigree &quot;as the son and grandson of distinguished Navy admirals.&quot; In contrast, Obama&#039;s bio mentions his father this way: &quot;His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya, where he grew up herding goats with his own father, who was a domestic servant to the British.&quot; Barack doesn&#039;t position his admission to Harvard Law School as part of some great Obama tradition at Harvard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain frequently refers to the &#8220;long line of McCains&#8221; who have served the U.S. in the military: his grandfather, for whom an airfield where III once was posted was named; his father, commander of Pacific operations when III was a POW. I think this is a highly resonant story for people who see their lives as part of upholding a noble family tradition. Just as for people like me, who are the children of immigrants, Barack and Michelle Obama&#8217;s story is resonant: striking out from what your parents did, becoming successful based on your own hard work and your family&#8217;s emotional support rather than legacy admissions, not having your name be one that opens doors until you make it such a name. (And of course the experience of having a name that&#8217;s considered &#8220;weird&#8221; &#8212; no wonder Piyush Jindal decided to become Bobby.)</p>
<p>Or to put it another way: John McCain rarely lets an opportunity slip to refer to his pedigree &#8220;as the son and grandson of distinguished Navy admirals.&#8221; In contrast, Obama&#8217;s bio mentions his father this way: &#8220;His father, Barack Obama Sr., was born and raised in a small village in Kenya, where he grew up herding goats with his own father, who was a domestic servant to the British.&#8221; Barack doesn&#8217;t position his admission to Harvard Law School as part of some great Obama tradition at Harvard.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros Hussein 62</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, Farris, ya got me. I forgot that.
 Point is yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, Farris, ya got me. I forgot that.<br />
 Point is yours.</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
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		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack is a &lt;b&gt;II&lt;/b&gt;.  What&#039;s your point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barack is a <b>II</b>.  What&#8217;s your point?</p>
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		<title>By: Duros Hussein 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/16/im-not-george-bush/#comment-121186</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 16:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The guy&#039;s name is John McCain the &lt;b&gt;third&lt;/b&gt;. Think he&#039;s gonna change anything now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The guy&#8217;s name is John McCain the <b>third</b>. Think he&#8217;s gonna change anything now?</p>
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