Comments on: Sloppy, Even For The Right http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:54:38 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-121003 Quaker in a Basement Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:12:05 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-121003 Still searching for sourcing on this that doesn't track back to Taheri. ....searching... Still searching for sourcing on this that doesn’t track back to Taheri.

….searching…

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120995 Quaker in a Basement Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:44:32 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120995 Always follow the links all the way <a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_o_jesse_knows_133450.htm?page=0" rel="nofollow">back to the source,</a> people. This came from Amir Taheri, the same loser who has been busted--twice!--trying to fabricate a story that Obama interfered in security negotiations between the U.S. and the Iraqi government. Recall that his earlier effort on this score was shot down by <em>Republican Senators in the room when the conversation took place!</em> Sloppy is too kind, OW. This is just a higher grade version of the African Press fraud. Always follow the links all the way back to the source, people. This came from Amir Taheri, the same loser who has been busted–twice!–trying to fabricate a story that Obama interfered in security negotiations between the U.S. and the Iraqi government.

Recall that his earlier effort on this score was shot down by Republican Senators in the room when the conversation took place!

Sloppy is too kind, OW. This is just a higher grade version of the African Press fraud.

]]> By: anotherbozo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120992 anotherbozo Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:35:38 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120992 Seems Jackson's only mistake was to talk to Murdoch's NY Post and assume they'd report him accurately: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/15/jackson-pushes-back-ive-n_n_134914.html Seems Jackson’s only mistake was to talk to Murdoch’s NY Post and assume they’d report him accurately:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/15/jackson-pushes-back-ive-n_n_134914.html

]]> By: anotherbozo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120985 anotherbozo Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:07:52 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120985 Agree with PG, BTW. PT CRUISER: "I guess that’s why Sarah Palin has not had to explain her husband’s involvement with the Alaskan Independent Party or her own recorded greeting to the party’s convention in Fairbanks." No, she hasn't had to explain her husband's secessionist sentiments BECAUSE SHE HASN'T BEEN AVAILABLE TO ANY REPORTERS who would love to ask about it. And about her "witch-hunting" pastor. And about Troopergate's indictment of her ethics. And her creationist views. And... and.. Agree with PG, BTW.

PT CRUISER: “I guess that’s why Sarah Palin has not had to explain her husband’s involvement with the Alaskan Independent Party or her own recorded greeting to the party’s convention in Fairbanks.”

No, she hasn’t had to explain her husband’s secessionist sentiments BECAUSE SHE HASN’T BEEN AVAILABLE TO ANY REPORTERS who would love to ask about it. And about her “witch-hunting” pastor. And about Troopergate’s indictment of her ethics. And her creationist views. And… and..

]]> By: PG http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120977 PG Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:33:12 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120977 How is it that everyone already has forgotten that before folks at Palin rallies were yelling, "Kill him!" the right Rev. Jesse Jackson was talking about how much he wanted to cut Obama's nuts off? WTF is wrong with a media that can't hold a memory for three months?! I haven't seen a single news article or blog post about Jackson's comments that acknowledged that maybe he has a slightly dysfunctional relationship with Obama and may not be the best source on what Obama thinks. Jesus Christ. How is it that everyone already has forgotten that before folks at Palin rallies were yelling, “Kill him!” the right Rev. Jesse Jackson was talking about how much he wanted to cut Obama’s nuts off?

WTF is wrong with a media that can’t hold a memory for three months?!

I haven’t seen a single news article or blog post about Jackson’s comments that acknowledged that maybe he has a slightly dysfunctional relationship with Obama and may not be the best source on what Obama thinks.

Jesus Christ.

]]> By: Hedley http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120976 Hedley Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:32:46 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120976 <i>Obama has to defend or repudiate everything every black person ever says or has said. </i> No, just those closest to him, like Rev. Wright and Jesse Jackson, who claims that the families are close and he helped Obama get his start in politics. Certainly McCain is not being held to less of a standard. Obama has to defend or repudiate everything every black person ever says or has said.

No, just those closest to him, like Rev. Wright and Jesse Jackson, who claims that the families are close and he helped Obama get his start in politics. Certainly McCain is not being held to less of a standard.

]]> By: ptcruiser http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120970 ptcruiser Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:16:51 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120970 <blockquote><i>f everyone involved were white, the same principle would apply.</i></blockquote> Well, I'm glad that you feel assured that the same expectations and demands would follow if everyone was white. I guess that's why Sarah Paln has not had to explain her husband's involvement with the Alaskan Independent Party or her own recorded greeting to the party's convention in Fairbanks.

f everyone involved were white, the same principle would apply.

Well, I’m glad that you feel assured that the same expectations and demands would follow if everyone was white. I guess that’s why Sarah Paln has not had to explain her husband’s involvement with the Alaskan Independent Party or her own recorded greeting to the party’s convention in Fairbanks.

]]> By: Duros Hussein 62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120966 Duros Hussein 62 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:54:09 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120966 Word, Mr. Bozo. Sorry, forgot the /sarcasm tag. Word, Mr. Bozo.

Sorry, forgot the /sarcasm tag.

]]> By: anotherbozo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120965 anotherbozo Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:50:46 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120965 PTCruiser: I think Duros Hussein 62 was being sarcastic. Just a guess. Jackson was talking about Obama's foreign policy, not about his own views. When he presumes to predict what Obama is going to do/say/be, that's Obama's business, and Obama should repudiate it if it's not accurate. If everyone involved were white, the same principle would apply. PTCruiser: I think Duros Hussein 62 was being sarcastic. Just a guess.

Jackson was talking about Obama’s foreign policy, not about his own views. When he presumes to predict what Obama is going to do/say/be, that’s Obama’s business, and Obama should repudiate it if it’s not accurate.

If everyone involved were white, the same principle would apply.

]]> By: PTCruiser http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120961 PTCruiser Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:02:00 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120961 <blockquote><i>Because, as has been shown w/r/t Rev. Wright, Obama has to defend or repudiate everything every black person ever says or has said. Why does Jesse Jackson keep hanging on to the hope that he is somehow relevant anymore?</i></blockquote> No, Obama does not have to defend or repudiate everything or anything a black person says. Rev. Wright was the pastor of the church he attended for 20 years so a need for him to respond is obvious. Obama is running for the presidency of the United States not the presidency of the Black Electorate in America or HNIC. What does Jackson's alleged relevancy or irrelevancy have to do with his right to express his opinions about anything he damn well pleases to express his opinions about without the Obama Campaign issuing statements aimed at reassuring members of the Jewish electorate? It is absurd.

Because, as has been shown w/r/t Rev. Wright, Obama has to defend or repudiate everything every black person ever says or has said.

Why does Jesse Jackson keep hanging on to the hope that he is somehow relevant anymore?

No, Obama does not have to defend or repudiate everything or anything a black person says. Rev. Wright was the pastor of the church he attended for 20 years so a need for him to respond is obvious. Obama is running for the presidency of the United States not the presidency of the Black Electorate in America or HNIC.

What does Jackson’s alleged relevancy or irrelevancy have to do with his right to express his opinions about anything he damn well pleases to express his opinions about without the Obama Campaign issuing statements aimed at reassuring members of the Jewish electorate? It is absurd.

]]> By: Duros Hussein 62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120955 Duros Hussein 62 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:32:15 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120955 <i>Why did the Obama Campaign feel it necessary to issue a statement about Jackson when it is clear that Jackson is not a spokesperson for the campaign?</i> Because, as has been shown w/r/t Rev. Wright, Obama has to defend or repudiate everything every black person ever says or has said. Why does Jesse Jackson keep hanging on to the hope that he is somehow relevant anymore? Why did the Obama Campaign feel it necessary to issue a statement about Jackson when it is clear that Jackson is not a spokesperson for the campaign?

Because, as has been shown w/r/t Rev. Wright, Obama has to defend or repudiate everything every black person ever says or has said.

Why does Jesse Jackson keep hanging on to the hope that he is somehow relevant anymore?

]]> By: mike in dc http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120954 mike in dc Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:30:30 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120954 It was a bit of an imprudent thing for Jackson to say at this point in the campaign, but I don't think it does much damage, because a) people realize Jackson and Obama don't see eye to eye on everything, and b)Obama rebutted those comments fairly swiftly. That said: I would like to see a major American presidential candidate admit what the world already knows: Israel is a nuclear power, well capable of turning Iran and most of their neighbors into uninhabitated wastelands. They even have a robust first and second strike capability. So, I had to roll my eyes at the question about providing troops to assist in Israel's defense in the event of an Iranian attack. Israel is militarily stronger than Iran. They have no common border. The prospects of a direct Iranian attack on Israel are actually pretty remote. But we're supposed to act like a suicidal nuclear attack on Israel is imminent, just as soon as Iran develops a single nuke. A little sanity in middle east policy would be a welcome change. It was a bit of an imprudent thing for Jackson to say at this point in the campaign, but I don’t think it does much damage, because a) people realize Jackson and Obama don’t see eye to eye on everything, and b)Obama rebutted those comments fairly swiftly.
That said:
I would like to see a major American presidential candidate admit what the world already knows: Israel is a nuclear power, well capable of turning Iran and most of their neighbors into uninhabitated wastelands. They even have a robust first and second strike capability. So, I had to roll my eyes at the question about providing troops to assist in Israel’s defense in the event of an Iranian attack. Israel is militarily stronger than Iran. They have no common border. The prospects of a direct Iranian attack on Israel are actually pretty remote. But we’re supposed to act like a suicidal nuclear attack on Israel is imminent, just as soon as Iran develops a single nuke. A little sanity in middle east policy would be a welcome change.

]]> By: KXB http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120953 KXB Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:16:49 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120953 Try this experiment - Jesse Jackson and Barack Obama are in 2 different states. Jesse says something silly, and Obama is asked to respond. If he says something like he was not there, and therefore is not responsible, that is not good enough. Now - Sarah Palin is giving a speech. She criticizes Obama, and while most people just boo, one over eager attendes yells "Kill him!" Now, they are in the same room, but Palin does not feel the need to ask that person to get up and leave. Try this experiment – Jesse Jackson and Barack Obama are in 2 different states. Jesse says something silly, and Obama is asked to respond. If he says something like he was not there, and therefore is not responsible, that is not good enough.

Now – Sarah Palin is giving a speech. She criticizes Obama, and while most people just boo, one over eager attendes yells “Kill him!” Now, they are in the same room, but Palin does not feel the need to ask that person to get up and leave.

]]> By: PTCruiser http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120952 PTCruiser Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:06:19 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120952 Was Jesse Jackson claiming to speak for the Obama Campaign? When did Jackson lose his right to speak on whatever he chooses to talk about? Why did the Obama Campaign feel it necessary to issue a statement about Jackson when it is clear that Jackson is not a spokesperson for the campaign? Why is the Obama Campaign afraid of black folks expressing positions on foreign policy and other matters that are distinctly different from Obama's positions? Was Jesse Jackson claiming to speak for the Obama Campaign? When did Jackson lose his right to speak on whatever he chooses to talk about? Why did the Obama Campaign feel it necessary to issue a statement about Jackson when it is clear that Jackson is not a spokesperson for the campaign? Why is the Obama Campaign afraid of black folks expressing positions on foreign policy and other matters that are distinctly different from Obama’s positions?

]]> By: Stu http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120942 Stu Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:17:46 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120942 Silly people. Don't you know that every liberal is responsible for anything said or written by any liberal? And that no conservative is responsible for anything written by any conservative (including themselves)? Silly people. Don’t you know that every liberal is responsible for anything said or written by any liberal? And that no conservative is responsible for anything written by any conservative (including themselves)?

]]> By: jr http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120940 jr Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:08:09 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120940 Hannity and Colmes led off with this last night. Everything against the wall strategy on the march Hannity and Colmes led off with this last night. Everything against the wall strategy on the march

]]> By: Parthenon http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120936 Parthenon Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:47:31 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120936 I'm pretty sure a nine point lead on the weekend before election day is good enough for cannibalism allegations, while it has to be a ten point lead before they'll say he's actually the devil. I’m pretty sure a nine point lead on the weekend before election day is good enough for cannibalism allegations, while it has to be a ten point lead before they’ll say he’s actually the devil.

]]> By: Parthenon http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120935 Parthenon Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:46:06 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120935 The amount of shit you will throw at the wall to see what sticks is directly proportional to how close the election is (timewise) and how unclose the election is (pollwise). For you non-statisticians, the further behind you are the closer to election day, the crazier the shit your supporters are likely to try in your defense. The amount of shit you will throw at the wall to see what sticks is directly proportional to how close the election is (timewise) and how unclose the election is (pollwise).

For you non-statisticians, the further behind you are the closer to election day, the crazier the shit your supporters are likely to try in your defense.

]]> By: vik http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120932 vik Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:42:46 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120932 I'm a little curious as to what the fuck Jackson thought he was doing here. Obama is finally up in Florida. What business does Jackson have speaking for Obama on a foreign policy issue? I’m a little curious as to what the fuck Jackson thought he was doing here. Obama is finally up in Florida. What business does Jackson have speaking for Obama on a foreign policy issue?

]]> By: Dennis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/sloppy-even-for-the-right/#comment-120928 Dennis Wed, 15 Oct 2008 12:08:03 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10421#comment-120928 Kinda petty, Oliver. Even for a blogger. Kinda petty, Oliver. Even for a blogger.

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