Comments on: Obama On The Fox Effect http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:35:24 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Sean D. Martin http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121207 Sean D. Martin Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:42:09 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121207 Jay Tea: <i>Compare and contrast the “McCain affair with lobbyist” story ... Or, if you prefer, two words: Keith Olbermann.</i> Shorter JT: Believe my lies because I don't have to check my facts. And "Look! Over there! (I don't see any Fox.)" Jay Tea: Compare and contrast the “McCain affair with lobbyist” story …

Or, if you prefer, two words: Keith Olbermann.

Shorter JT: Believe my lies because I don’t have to check my facts. And “Look! Over there! (I don’t see any Fox.)”

]]> By: michael http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121166 michael Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:19:51 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121166 If every single media outlet in America is hard-left, why does the right so hate the Fairness Doctrine? If every single media outlet in America is hard-left, why does the right so hate the Fairness Doctrine?

]]> By: Duros Hussein62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121158 Duros Hussein62 Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:31:22 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121158 <i>Compare and contrast the “McCain affair with lobbyist” story ... and the Times’ whitewash of Obama’s relationship with William Ayers.</i> Pretty sure Ayers wasn't fucking him for favors. Compare and contrast the “McCain affair with lobbyist” story … and the Times’ whitewash of Obama’s relationship with William Ayers.

Pretty sure Ayers wasn’t fucking him for favors.

]]> By: Nimrod Gently http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121135 Nimrod Gently Thu, 16 Oct 2008 11:04:50 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121135 Keith Olbermann negates an entire cable news channel? Keith Olbermann negates an entire cable news channel?

]]> By: daniel rotter http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121115 daniel rotter Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:04:36 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121115 "...the Times' whitewash of Obama's relationship with William Ayers..." Heck, at least the Times has actually DONE a story on the two men's relationship. Has the Times done any articles on McCain's relationship with that wholesome figure G. Gordon Liddy (a relationsip which is much more buddy-buddy than the one between Obama and Ayers). “…the Times’ whitewash of Obama’s relationship with William Ayers…”

Heck, at least the Times has actually DONE a story on the two men’s relationship. Has the Times done any articles on McCain’s relationship with that wholesome figure G. Gordon Liddy (a relationsip which is much more buddy-buddy than the one between Obama and Ayers).

]]> By: daniel rotter http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121114 daniel rotter Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:54:25 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121114 "the McCain affair..." The New York Times story in question did not accuse McCain of having an affair. "the appearance of impropriety..." So "impropriety" only involves adulterous affairs? Whatever. “the McCain affair…”

The New York Times story in question did not accuse McCain of having an affair.

“the appearance of impropriety…”

So “impropriety” only involves adulterous affairs? Whatever.

]]> By: PG http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121082 PG Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:48:19 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121082 Oh, so there *hasn't* been a one-hour special on any of the networks devoted to making McCain look bad? I just wanted to check in case I'd missed it. The only people I see who are convinced that the NYTimes story was focused on McCain's alleged affair are conservatives. Everyone else seems to have looked at the headline, "For McCain, Self-Confidence on Ethics Poses Its Own Risk," the first four paragraphs about the appearance of impropriety in being too close to a lobbyist, and then went on to rehash the Keating Five scandal and how it turned McCain into Campaign Finance Reform Superhero, and thought, "Yeah, and...?" The word "affair" must have shown up only in the editions dropped at Republicans' homes -- except, wait, I live with a Republican. Hmm. Maybe only the less-rational Republicans' homes. Oh, so there *hasn’t* been a one-hour special on any of the networks devoted to making McCain look bad? I just wanted to check in case I’d missed it.

The only people I see who are convinced that the NYTimes story was focused on McCain’s alleged affair are conservatives. Everyone else seems to have looked at the headline, “For McCain, Self-Confidence on Ethics Poses Its Own Risk,” the first four paragraphs about the appearance of impropriety in being too close to a lobbyist, and then went on to rehash the Keating Five scandal and how it turned McCain into Campaign Finance Reform Superhero, and thought, “Yeah, and…?” The word “affair” must have shown up only in the editions dropped at Republicans’ homes — except, wait, I live with a Republican. Hmm. Maybe only the less-rational Republicans’ homes.

]]> By: Jay Tea http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121077 Jay Tea Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:27:38 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121077 PG, would you settle for the New York Times studies of the two candidates? Compare and contrast the "McCain affair with lobbyist" story -- based on two disgruntled former employees who said that they were worried about the appearance of impropriety between the two, and whose stories were utterly and absolutely denied by everyone else they said was involved in some alleged meeting -- and the Times' whitewash of Obama's relationship with William Ayers. Or, if you prefer, two words: Keith Olbermann. J. PG, would you settle for the New York Times studies of the two candidates? Compare and contrast the “McCain affair with lobbyist” story — based on two disgruntled former employees who said that they were worried about the appearance of impropriety between the two, and whose stories were utterly and absolutely denied by everyone else they said was involved in some alleged meeting — and the Times’ whitewash of Obama’s relationship with William Ayers.

Or, if you prefer, two words: Keith Olbermann.

J.

]]> By: mambochicken23 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121055 mambochicken23 Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:05:04 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121055 Keep believing the myth of the liberal media, Jay Tea. You're about as smart as a box of hair. Keep believing the myth of the liberal media, Jay Tea. You’re about as smart as a box of hair.

]]> By: PG http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121054 PG Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:05:02 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121054 Jay Tea, you'll have to point me to the CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and MSNBC one-hour specials called "McCain & Friends - A History Of Special Favors," documenting the ways in which McCain has benefited from his name and has invoked it to be treated better than others, and how he also has done favors for those who benefited him. The NYT magazine piece OW quotes has a lot about voters who live in rural areas. My family lives in a small town surrounded by forests and cattle ranches. I can't be on a continuous call while on the way home from the nearest airport to my parents' house, because cell coverage with every provider I've had -- including Verizon and AT&T -- will drop at several points. I wonder if the people who live in those rural areas with lousy cell phone coverage (many of whom own a chunk of property that they would happily give rent-free for a cellphone tower) will believe that the McCains were getting treated <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2008/10/exclusive_verizon_gave_cell_to.html" rel="nofollow">just like any other customer</a> when Verizon and AT&T both hustled out portable towers normally reserved for emergencies to the McCains' Sedona "cabin." Jay Tea, you’ll have to point me to the CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS and MSNBC one-hour specials called “McCain & Friends – A History Of Special Favors,” documenting the ways in which McCain has benefited from his name and has invoked it to be treated better than others, and how he also has done favors for those who benefited him.

The NYT magazine piece OW quotes has a lot about voters who live in rural areas. My family lives in a small town surrounded by forests and cattle ranches. I can’t be on a continuous call while on the way home from the nearest airport to my parents’ house, because cell coverage with every provider I’ve had — including Verizon and AT&T — will drop at several points. I wonder if the people who live in those rural areas with lousy cell phone coverage (many of whom own a chunk of property that they would happily give rent-free for a cellphone tower) will believe that the McCains were getting treated just like any other customer when Verizon and AT&T both hustled out portable towers normally reserved for emergencies to the McCains’ Sedona “cabin.”

]]> By: Sean D. Martin http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121053 Sean D. Martin Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:04:04 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121053 william: <i> “I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal.” Glad he finally told us he was the metrosexual (so 90’s) we thought he was.</i> What a perfect, completely 180-degree mis-reading of what he actually said. Do you have to work at that, or does the myopia just come naturally with the little mind? william:
“I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal.”

Glad he finally told us he was the metrosexual (so 90’s) we thought he was.

What a perfect, completely 180-degree mis-reading of what he actually said. Do you have to work at that, or does the myopia just come naturally with the little mind?

]]> By: Jay Tea http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121047 Jay Tea Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:48:10 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121047 By the same metric, if it wasn't for CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, and most of the newspapers, Obama would be about 10 to 15 percent down. How DARE one media outlet NOT be on Obama's side! The sheer effrontery! J. By the same metric, if it wasn’t for CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, and most of the newspapers, Obama would be about 10 to 15 percent down.

How DARE one media outlet NOT be on Obama’s side! The sheer effrontery!

J.

]]> By: canadian bacon http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121042 canadian bacon Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:31:09 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121042 Why did Obama and Clinton go on the Radio Factor? I know it's not Fox but BO is the face of the Fox. I think they were politically smart to do so and Obama did good in the interview. Not afraid of the the fear factor. Showed his strength. The GOP won't let Palin get near BO. Chicken shits. Why did Obama and Clinton go on the Radio Factor? I know it’s not Fox but BO is the face of the Fox. I think they were politically smart to do so and Obama did good in the interview. Not afraid of the the fear factor. Showed his strength. The GOP won’t let Palin get near BO. Chicken shits.

]]> By: Randy Brown http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121040 Randy Brown Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:27:48 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121040 Kiss mine too, Thick Willie. Kiss mine too, Thick Willie.

]]> By: TroyJMorris http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121031 TroyJMorris Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:18:23 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121031 That's too long of a quote. That’s too long of a quote.

]]> By: Grumpymann http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121030 Grumpymann Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:16:12 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121030 "He’s no dummy." Anyone paying attention could have told you that. “He’s no dummy.”
Anyone paying attention could have told you that.

]]> By: PG http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121029 PG Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:14:39 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121029 Oh, I don't know, petulant and whiny is the reaction I prefer to see among those who <i>do</i> own guns. Desperate & crazed gun-owning (not to mention beer-chugging, John-Birch-Society-reading, gas-guzzling, desperate-to-prove-masculinity, racist-misogynist-xenophobic and/or insecure) =/= physical safety for bystanders. Oh, I don’t know, petulant and whiny is the reaction I prefer to see among those who do own guns.
Desperate & crazed gun-owning (not to mention beer-chugging, John-Birch-Society-reading, gas-guzzling, desperate-to-prove-masculinity, racist-misogynist-xenophobic and/or insecure) =/= physical safety for bystanders.

]]> By: Nimrod Gently http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121023 Nimrod Gently Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:07:07 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121023 I prefer seeing the wingnuts growing desperate and crazed, rather than petulant and whiny like William here. I prefer seeing the wingnuts growing desperate and crazed, rather than petulant and whiny like William here.

]]> By: anotherbozo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121014 anotherbozo Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:51:18 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121014 "He’s no dummy." This is not news to anyone who's been half-paying attention. Even Christopher Buckley noticed the reflective, probing intellect: "I've read his books." It's interesting that he blames himself for the "bitter" remark, not because it was inaccurate in any way but because it could be distorted and used by the opposition. He's been walking this circumspect line for 2 years now, requiring a kind of double intelligence, one to form thoughts, another to audition them mentally to discover any possible misinterpretations. Would exhaust anyone else. I'll be surprised if President Obama proves to be merely good, merely fine, once he clears out the Bush devastation. But that latter will consume a huge amount of time... “He’s no dummy.”

This is not news to anyone who’s been half-paying attention. Even Christopher Buckley noticed the reflective, probing intellect: “I’ve read his books.”

It’s interesting that he blames himself for the “bitter” remark, not because it was inaccurate in any way but because it could be distorted and used by the opposition. He’s been walking this circumspect line for 2 years now, requiring a kind of double intelligence, one to form thoughts, another to audition them mentally to discover any possible misinterpretations. Would exhaust anyone else.

I’ll be surprised if President Obama proves to be merely good, merely fine, once he clears out the Bush devastation. But that latter will consume a huge amount of time…

]]> By: william http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/15/obama-on-the-fox-effect/#comment-121013 william Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:51:17 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=10441#comment-121013 "I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal." Glad he finally told us he was the metrosexual (so 90's) we thought he was. He certainly has no record to run on. “I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal.”

Glad he finally told us he was the metrosexual (so 90’s) we thought he was. He certainly has no record to run on.

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