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		<title>By: william</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/09/dow-8579/#comment-120202</link>
		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 15:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duros,

Don&#039;t be a dick.

I didn&#039;t write it, Roubini did. Just posting this as a public service to Oliver since he seemed surprised at recent events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Duros,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be a dick.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t write it, Roubini did. Just posting this as a public service to Oliver since he seemed surprised at recent events.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros Hussein62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/09/dow-8579/#comment-120193</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 14:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from examples of tortured sentence structure, william, what&#039;s your point?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from examples of tortured sentence structure, william, what&#8217;s your point?</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/09/dow-8579/#comment-120185</link>
		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roubini - 

The crisis was caused by the largest leveraged asset bubble and credit bubble in the history of humanity were excessive leveraging and bubbles were not limited to housing in the US but also to housing in many other countries and excessive borrowing by financial institutions and some segments of the corporate sector and of the public sector in many and different economies: an housing bubble, a mortgage bubble, an equity bubble, a bond bubble, a credit bubble, a commodity bubble, a private equity bubble, a hedge funds bubble are all now bursting at once in the biggest real sector and financial sector deleveraging since the Great Depression.

At this point the recession train has left the station; the financial and banking crisis train has left the station. The delusion that the US and advanced economies contraction would be short and shallow – a V-shaped six month recession – has been replaced by the certainty that this will be a long and protracted U-shaped recession that may last at least two years in the US and close to two years in most of the rest of the world. And given the rising risk of a global systemic financial meltdown the probability that the outcome could become a decade long L-shaped recession – like the one experienced by Japan after the bursting of its real estate and equity bubble – cannot be ruled out.

And in a world where there is a glut and excess capacity of goods while aggregate demand is falling soon enough we will start to worry about deflation, debt deflation, liquidity traps and what monetary policy makers should do to fight deflation when policy rates get dangerously close to zero.

At this point the risk of an imminent stock market crash – like the one-day collapse of 20% plus in US stock prices in 1987 – cannot be ruled out as the financial system is breaking down, panic and lack of confidence in any counterparty is sharply rising and the investors have totally lost faith in the ability of policy authorities to control this meltdown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roubini &#8211; </p>
<p>The crisis was caused by the largest leveraged asset bubble and credit bubble in the history of humanity were excessive leveraging and bubbles were not limited to housing in the US but also to housing in many other countries and excessive borrowing by financial institutions and some segments of the corporate sector and of the public sector in many and different economies: an housing bubble, a mortgage bubble, an equity bubble, a bond bubble, a credit bubble, a commodity bubble, a private equity bubble, a hedge funds bubble are all now bursting at once in the biggest real sector and financial sector deleveraging since the Great Depression.</p>
<p>At this point the recession train has left the station; the financial and banking crisis train has left the station. The delusion that the US and advanced economies contraction would be short and shallow – a V-shaped six month recession – has been replaced by the certainty that this will be a long and protracted U-shaped recession that may last at least two years in the US and close to two years in most of the rest of the world. And given the rising risk of a global systemic financial meltdown the probability that the outcome could become a decade long L-shaped recession – like the one experienced by Japan after the bursting of its real estate and equity bubble – cannot be ruled out.</p>
<p>And in a world where there is a glut and excess capacity of goods while aggregate demand is falling soon enough we will start to worry about deflation, debt deflation, liquidity traps and what monetary policy makers should do to fight deflation when policy rates get dangerously close to zero.</p>
<p>At this point the risk of an imminent stock market crash – like the one-day collapse of 20% plus in US stock prices in 1987 – cannot be ruled out as the financial system is breaking down, panic and lack of confidence in any counterparty is sharply rising and the investors have totally lost faith in the ability of policy authorities to control this meltdown.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 08:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The new Republican motto: Bush? Never heard of him.&quot;

Or, &quot;He&#039;s not a true conservative.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The new Republican motto: Bush? Never heard of him.&#8221;</p>
<p>Or, &#8220;He&#8217;s not a true conservative.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: beeblebrox</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/09/dow-8579/#comment-120163</link>
		<dc:creator>beeblebrox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The new Republican motto:  Bush?  Never heard of him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The new Republican motto:  Bush?  Never heard of him.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/09/dow-8579/#comment-120156</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Big D was going for a Yogi Berra thing, you know like: &quot;Nobody goes there anymore because it&#039;s too crowded.&quot;

Too many people are saying they&#039;re going to vote for Obama, so everyone is trying to sell their stock.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Big D was going for a Yogi Berra thing, you know like: &#8220;Nobody goes there anymore because it&#8217;s too crowded.&#8221;</p>
<p>Too many people are saying they&#8217;re going to vote for Obama, so everyone is trying to sell their stock.</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, if I understand your argument correctly (which I do), you&#039;re saying that a bunch of guys at Wall St. are lowering stock values because they don&#039;t want Obama to be president. And this is OBAMA&#039;s fault? OK then...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, if I understand your argument correctly (which I do), you&#8217;re saying that a bunch of guys at Wall St. are lowering stock values because they don&#8217;t want Obama to be president. And this is OBAMA&#8217;s fault? OK then&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jaim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 03:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG.  Are you actually trying to blame Obama for Bush and McCain&#039;s national fuck-up of the economy?  Really?

He&#039;s not even president yet you fucking moron!

I&#039;d like to say I&#039;ll be classy and civil when he takes power, and the Congress turns more blue than it&#039;s been in decades, but no Denis.  I&#039;m gonna laugh my ass off at the thugs like you who allowed our country to go down the shitter due to Republican greed and incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG.  Are you actually trying to blame Obama for Bush and McCain&#8217;s national fuck-up of the economy?  Really?</p>
<p>He&#8217;s not even president yet you fucking moron!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to say I&#8217;ll be classy and civil when he takes power, and the Congress turns more blue than it&#8217;s been in decades, but no Denis.  I&#8217;m gonna laugh my ass off at the thugs like you who allowed our country to go down the shitter due to Republican greed and incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/09/dow-8579/#comment-120079</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truly, we live in interesting times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly, we live in interesting times.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/09/dow-8579/#comment-120075</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Translated Dennis: &quot;That thar cart just keeps pushin&#039; that horsie along.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Translated Dennis: &#8220;That thar cart just keeps pushin&#8217; that horsie along.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: william</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/09/dow-8579/#comment-120071</link>
		<dc:creator>william</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This should come as no surprise. Mish, Calculated Risk, The Big Picture, and Roubini have been sounding alarm bells for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This should come as no surprise. Mish, Calculated Risk, The Big Picture, and Roubini have been sounding alarm bells for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/09/dow-8579/#comment-120070</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve got the trend lines right, Dennis, but the causality reversed. As the Dow declines, more voters are looking for new leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got the trend lines right, Dennis, but the causality reversed. As the Dow declines, more voters are looking for new leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/09/dow-8579/#comment-120066</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&lt;strike&gt;Obama&lt;/strike&gt;Bush vs. S%P 500&lt;/i&gt;

Fix&#039;d.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i><strike>Obama</strike>Bush vs. S%P 500</i></p>
<p>Fix&#8217;d.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/09/dow-8579/#comment-120063</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 21:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2008/10/obama_vs_sp_500.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama vs. S%P 500&lt;/a&gt;

No confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2008/10/obama_vs_sp_500.php" rel="nofollow">Obama vs. S%P 500</a></p>
<p>No confidence.</p>
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