ThinkProgress has compiled all the instances of robot Sarah Palin reading off her answers in the debate last night. At the end of the day, it doesn’t matter because conservatives have convinced themselves that she’s awesome the same way they convinced themselves Bush is awesome. The facts don’t matter for them.
But progressives, Democrats, honest Republicans, and independents know she’s a fraud.
Sarah Palin is a fraud, just as George Bush, Jr. is a fraud. Just a friendly reminder:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W28CQQsH9S8
She said “now, doggone it.” For real. Fraud.
One of those two candidates has been exposed more than once for blatant plagiarism, and it isn’t the one being called a fraud here for looking at her notes in a debate.
ANd you guys used to be honest Democrats about this man.
Joe BIden is a Farking Idiot
Now everyone’s just following in line.
If he had choked up about his family in the Democratic primaries, I doubt seriously if it would’ve been considered the key moment in the debate.
And facts do matter. Apparently not as much on the Democratic side. ‘He was so in command of the facts’. The facts were mostly wrong, but he said them well and he was in command of them. Hooray for Joe. Now.
The Biden Error/Lie/Hallucination List (UPDATED to 22)
So who’s the real fraud here? Be honest.
Bush with tits.
I’m ill, just ill.
“Say it ain’t so, Joe” = Reagan’s “Well, there you go again.”
All hat, no moose.
Considering that you had a moderator was in the tank for Obama and she was up against a guy who has 30 years experience in the game, Palin clearly won.
And how did Ms. Ifill’s being “in the tank” manifest itself last night?
If you really thought Palin had done well, you wouldn’t need that pathetic talking point.
Katie’s Restaurant? What Katie’s Restaurant, Joe.
Oh, that’s just Joe being Joe. He delivered that line well, though. And he seemed so in command of his facts.
Not one scintilla of fraud in that man. No sir.
All progressives, honest Democrats, Republicans, and independents know that.
Oh, please.
That’s just lame, Space Ghost.
MrGreyGhost: Considering that you had a moderator was in the tank for Obama and she was up against a guy who has 30 years experience in the game, Palin clearly won.
I disagree that Ifill was “in the tank” for Obama. I was pleased many of her questions were tailored equally to each side. (E.g., asking Palin about her asking what the VP does and Biden about his past comment he wouldn’t be willing to be VP. That could easily have been asked in a way to just put Palin on the spot, and it wasn’t.) But considering you’re in the tank for McCain, I don’t expect you to make any kind of fair evaluation.
But in any event, you’re saying that the “winner” is the one who exceeds expectations more. Which is stupid.
You can choose one of two doctors to perform a critical operation on you. One scored an 95% on his exam, which is a little disappointing because up until that point he’d had a 97% average. The other scored a 70% which is surprising since up until then his average had been 62%. First doc did 2% worse than expected, second doc did 8% higher. Do you really want the second doc to be the one that cuts you open?
In the real world of poligics, Mrgrayghsot, there are no handicaps.
That should read “politics”. How embarassing.
Hey, I really think Sarah’s giving McSame another shot in the arm.
She’s utter bullshit….but she also dominated the stage. It was all about HER!! She was poised and aggressive w/o the meanness seen in McCain. Joe was reserved and held back. He had more substance…but she had the show. I give her credit and now we need to look more closely. Like how many burgs of only 5 thousand buy their mayor a “mayormobile” (brand new SUV for the new mayor) and how much debt did she leave that ‘burg’ with? (21 million for a hockey stadium where her son got kicked off the team for being an “animal”…Track…now in the Guard.)
Alright, that wink let us know what she’s like. Only time I get a creepy wink like that is from women cheating on their husbands (or wanting to), Real Estate salesladies, or whores.
At least she could look at him, that’s a plus.
Ifill was in the tank for Obama? What bullshit. She didn’t even give follow-up questions to Palin’s non-answers (and there were many of them).
Here the thing though — if Sarah Palin was such an awesome pick for veep, why have McCain’s poll numbers _dropped_ since his convention?
Sure, polls are polls, but it’s clear that roughly a few hundred thousand registered Americans decided Palin would be a mistake, and have either decided to vote Obama, Barr, or “None of the above” come November.
Republican electoral math wizards, respond now!
Yeah, Palin used notes — THAT SHE TOOK WHILE AT THE PODIUM. Biden did the same thing. The commission, as they always do, forbid the candidates from bringing anything to the podium themselves, but do provide paper and writing implements for note-taking during the debate.
Unlike John Kerry, who in 2004 was caught slipping his notes out of his jacket and unfolding them while his back was to the audience.
How was Ifill in the tank for Obama/Biden? Well, how about how her questions were aimed at setting up Biden, and not playing to Palin’s issues. Her only question about energy was in asking about global warming and clean coal — which Biden out-and-out lied about. She didn’t bring up abortion. She didn’t bring up gun control. She didn’t bring up illegal immigration. In short, she avoided major issues where there is a clear-cut difference of opinion, most likely because it would let Palin shine — kind of like Biden had the chance, with the very first question being about Congress — where he’s spent over half his life.
And can anyone tell me just when the US and France teamed up to drive Hezbollah out of Lebanon? I can’t find a single record of that happening ANYWHERE.But Joe Biden said it happened, so it must be true.
J.
He said what? A quotely quote, please.
I know now that Alaska is an energy producing state, since she said it about a hundred times.
“She didn’t bring up abortion…”
I also wish that Ifill had asked palin about her abortion position. It would have been fascinating to hear whether she’d defend her belief that rape victims should be compelled to carry their preganancies to term while simultaneously arguing in favor of the Constitution’s inherent right to privacy, the legal underpinning for Roe v Wade. Yup, that would have been quite an answer Jay tea. Playing to all her strengths.
And, I’m sorry, you think Ifill’s was in the tank for Biden and Obama? Give it a rest. if Ifill’s was in the tank for Obama and Biden all she’d have had to to was ask Palin one, just one, follow up question to any of the inane babling that came out of her mouth.
Jay Yea you guys can blame the media all you want but really. Either get yourself a candidate who can actually run a campaign or suck it up and shut it up. Jesus. Conservatives. They’re so self-reliant, right up until the crap out as utter failures, then it’s all whining all the fucking time.
Bruce, here’s the quote from the transcript:
Google up a transcript, do a search for Lebanon, and there it is in black and white.
And fafaroo, please tell us how having a debate moderated by someone who has a financial stake in the outcome of the election and was condemned by the PBS ombudsman for slamming one of the debate’s participants mere weeks ago is NOT grounds for having someone else do the moderating. Make that argument. Please.
J.
Jay Tea, I indeed missed that. Wow.
As to Ifill, wasn’t it known to the McCain camp that she had written her book when they agreed to her as moderator? Did they just fail to do their due diligence, like when they chose Palin? Or did they do it on purpose, so as to have a handy excuse if/when Gov Youbetcha embarrased herself?
My guess is the former.
Jay Tea, looking at the transcript, it looks like what Biden meant to say was “kicked SYRIA out of Lebanon.” Which is closer to accurate, although put rather simplistically. France and the US did play a large role in getting Syria to withdraw from Lebanon. No wonder I missed it.
Seems more like a slip of the tongue combined with oversimplification. In other words, you were looking for a cheap “gotcha.” Another conservative fail.
Bruce, when you gotta rewrite what Biden said to show that he is not a buffoon, you make my point for me. He’s supposed to be the expert, the foreign policy genius, right?
Oh, yeah. Biden voted against the first Iraq war. Then he voted for the second one, but now says he voted for a bluff — he didn’t think that authorizing the use of military force would actually result in the use of military force. And he came up with the “partition Iraq” idea that united everyone — in saying he was an idiot.
Yeah, he really is that wrong.
J.
Jay Tea, as to your second paragraph, those are points that can be argued honestly. I salute you for that.
But the first paragraph is dishonest. Saying “Hezbollah” when one meant “Syria” is the kind of slip that you would be quick to defend McCain for had he made it. And, as you know, McCain does make similar slips every day. And is, often unfairly, maligned for them.
But, on the subject of honesty, let’s try a little, OK? Biden won the debate on substance. Palin did not implode, so I guess you could say she exceeded expectations. But, as The Rude Pundit (one of my favorite ranters) says, “Just because one does not fling shit at people for a couple of hours does not mean one is not a monkey.”
Sorry I won’t be around for 7 hours to hear any reply. I’ve got to go to my part-time job. The one I need to keep my head above water in the Bush economy.
Bruce, I gotta get to my job, too, so I’ll leave with this:
Biden “won” because he spouted a nigh-endless stream of Biden BS. The McCain camp issued a list of 14 “lies” he made during the debate. I looked at that list and tossed almost half of them immediately. The remaining 8, though, were pretty much accurate: Biden was, as is is wont, bullshitting his way through things.
The ones that I believe were accurate:
- Obama DID say he would meet with Ahmadinejad without preconditions in his first year.
- Biden HAS staunchly opposed offshore oil drilling.
- McCain did NOT oppose funding for troops, but voted against a plan that included a timeline for withdrawal from Iraq.
- Biden DID oppose any new coal power plants, even “clean” ones.
- Palin’s reworking of the oil taxes in Alaska was NOT a “windfall profits” tax.
- General McKiernan DID say that elements of the “surge” strategy could and should be applied in Afghanistan.
- McCain DID try to impose more regulation and oversight on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
- Biden DID vote for the Iraq war, and DID oppose the “surge” strategy.
- The bailout package Biden backed did NOT meet two of the four criteria Obama said that were necessary for his support.
Also, Biden says he stays in touch with the people at his favorite restaurant — that closed over a decade ago.
Biden: sounding good, until you actually check out what he says. Then his bullshit crumbles.
J.
“Make that argument. Please.”
Okay. Gwen Ifill is a professional journalist who knows when and how to act objectively.
Moving on …
Here’s a question for you Jay Tea, are you suggesting that Palin lost the debate because Ifill was biased? Really?
“McCain did NOT oppose funding for the troops, but voted against a plan that included a timeline for withdrawal from Iraq”.
You should have tossed this one too, Jay. The funding for the troops was in the SAME BILL that had the plan that included a timeline for withdrawal for Iraq. In the context of that particular bill, McCain did indeed oppose funding for the troops.
And can anyone tell me just when the US and France teamed up to drive Hezbollah out of Lebanon? I can’t find a single record of that happening ANYWHERE.But Joe Biden said it happened, so it must be true.
I posted that answer for you over at your site, Mr. Tea. Perhaps you have been too busy annoying people over here to have noticed.
Cedar Revolution–ring any bells? It was only like three years ago–all you righties were getting all worked up over the photos of the Lebanese revolution babes, r’member?
The US and France did, in fact, play a major role in forcing Syria to withdraw its security forces from Lebanon. Are Syrian security forces the same thing as Hezbollah? I’ll leave that to you to dissect, but at least you can stop pretending that Mr. Biden was MSU.
“- Palin’s reworking of the oil taxes in Alaska was NOT a “windfall profits” tax.”
Really?
AP: November 2, 2007
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/11/02/business/NA-FIN-US-Alaska-Oil-Tax.php
How exactly is this not a windfall profits tax, Jay tea?
fafaroo, it’s simple: what Palin did was increase the general tax rate, NOT institute a new tax on top of existing taxes. By definition, a “windfall profits tax” is a new, separate tax.
Quaker, Biden DID NOT SAY “Syria.” He said “Hezbollah.” Hezbollah, whose power and influence was only briefly threatened by Israel’s last incursion, but — largely thanks to global pressure — is now stronger than ever and cheerfully flouting the UN Security Council resolutions, most particularly 1701, and now has a death-grip on the Lebanese government. Syria, who Biden claims was “driven out by the US and France,” only has its influence less visible.
And I’m glad to see that nobody is trying to refute my calling bullshit on the thesis of Oliver’s piece — that Palin cheated at the debate, but instead used the tools provided to both her and Biden by the debate commission. By saying that Palin had a “cheat sheet,” Oliver is simply emulating Joe Biden in Making Shit Up to fit his agenda.
J.
Quaker, Biden DID NOT SAY “Syria.” He said “Hezbollah.”
Yeah. That’s what I’m saying. If you think he’s wrong to equate Hezbollah in Lebanon with its Syrian military backers, then have at it. But don’t pretend he’s making stuff up. The history is too recent for you to wish it away that easily.
Also, Mr. Tea, why does this count as one of Mr. Biden’s “lies”?
I didn’t hear him claim differently during the debate.
what Palin did was increase the general tax rate, NOT institute a new tax on top of existing taxes. By definition, a “windfall profits tax” is a new, separate tax.
Whatever you say, Jay Tea:
In October 2007 Palin rolled out a tax increase plan on oil companies operating in Alaska, including a windfall profits tax. Palin’s plan, called the “Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share” (ACES) plan, was approved by the state Legislature and includes:
* Raising the state’s current net profits tax on North Slope oil from a 22.5% to 25.0% base.
* A “progressive” windfall profits tax: When oil prices rise above about $50 a barrel, the tax rate increases by 0.2% for each additional dollar a barrel.
* A 10% tax floor on North Slope oil, to kick in if prices go below about $40 a barrel. [4]
http://www.mccainfactcheck.com/facts/11/palin_windfall_profits_tax_344511.shtml
Guys, it doesn’t matter what you or I say. In true Jay Tea fashion, he latches onto a word or two, or the ABSENCE of a word or two, to cling to his wrongheaded point for dear life. When absolutely cornered, he’ll mention Ayers or Wright or socialism or some such nonsense to change the subject. When we argue over whether Biden meant to say “Syria” instead of “Hezbollah,” Jay Tea starts talking about who voted for troop funding.
He is also, since he mentioned it, unable to acknowledge that EACH Senator opposed funding if funding was tied to conditions he objected to. Obama voted against funding without timetables, McCain voted against funding with timetables. Pretty simple stuff, but beyond Jay Tea’s capacity.