’)The early tease from the NBC folks would seem to indicate that.
Forty-nine percent say that Palin is unqualified to be president if the need arises, compared with 40 percent who say she’s qualified.
By contrast, 64 percent believe Biden is qualified to be president, versus just 21 percent who disagree.
If 49% find Palin unqualified, that’s likely not a positive for MaverickTM
I guess it’s good that Palin isn’t running for president then. And with so many people thinking Biden would be qualified for the presidency, I wonder why he didn’t run for the office during the Democratic Party’s primaries.
“I guess it’s good that Palin isn’t running for president then.”
I really hope you don’t think this is a good argument. Especially with McCain’s ongoing health issues.
I guess it’s good that Palin isn’t running for president then.
Nothing to see here, just a Vice-Presidential candidate on a major ticket who’s wholly unqualified to be President. No need to ask here any questions–in fact, no questions from unauthorized media or the public at large will be allowed. Carry on.
“I wonder why he didn’t run for the office during the Democratic Party’s primaries.”
um, he did
Palin is GROSSLY UNDERQUALIFIED. Even for the VP position.
Yes, yes she is. Well before she was picked, we all knew that whoever the running mate was would be running for 45th.
“And with so many people thinking Biden would be qualified for the presidency, I wonder why he didn’t run for the office during the Democratic Party’s primaries.”
Uh, this is a joke, right? Because he totally did run for president this year and was in the primary debates and everything. It was pretty hard to miss. Obviously you are a highly informed voter is not knee-jerk at all.
At this rate he’ll probably be near 4 in the realclearpolitics aggregate average, just prior to the debate. The maximum impact of one debate recently seems to be on the order of /- 4 points on the net margin in subsequent polling. So, a bad night for Obama and a great night for McCain likely means the race is dead even again, while a great night for Obama and a bad night for McCain would mean the race has been blown open and McCain is way behind. All in all, a very good spot for Obama to be in–he has enough of a cushion to survive a bad performance, and a great performance comes close to cementing a win for him.
I’ve said it before. This is funny talk coming from people who support, for President, the least qualified and experienced Presidential candidate in our nation’s history. Hell, go back just 50 years and do a comparison.
No executive experience. 140 days of Senate experience. No military experience.
EMPTY. SUIT.
Depending what you mean by “executive experience”, you’re probably talking through your arse. Besides, he is still and always more qualified than Palin, there’s no escaping that. Besides #2, he’s still the best candidate out of the two of them. Besides #3, George W. Bush was Governor of the largest state in the mainland Union for five years. Didn’t stop him being very probably the single worst President ever. Besides #4, ending your arguments with LAWL. ROFFLE. COPTER. statements makes you look like a twat, even more so if they don’t actually make sense.
Call it what you want, but 49% are spouting the “funny talk” that says Palin is not qualified against the 40% who say she is;
and 64% are in stitches believing that Joe Biden is qualified against the 21% who say he isn’t.
In case you missed it.
Yes, your non-responsive recitation of old lack-of-experience talking points has been posted many times over, but their effectiveness has long expired, at least since McCain picked Palin. Get with the program! With Palin, McCain has replaced the “experience” issue (no longer matters) with the “elitism” issue … which he is also losing
You mean like Abe Lincoln, Jay? That empty suit had even less experience than Obama!!! Can you believe it??????
Keep on keepin’ on….flailing.
“No executive experience.” – Like McCain
“140 days of Senate experience.” – Yup, McCain beats him here. That’s why McCain is so believable when he rails against the Washington establishment. I guess being just under 30 years there does not count.
“No military experience.” – How does McCain graduating at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy, followed by crashing four jets make him qualified? Or was it his continuous obstruction of civilian efforts to investigate POW/MIA matters that put him over the top?
“EMPTY. SUIT.” – better than a dirty one.
Jay, it’s pretty clear from these numbers the majority of Americans disagree with you.
Why do you hate America?
How DARE anyone say MsLipstick isn’t qualified!
I PERSONALLY have seen her field dress an Elk and a Moose. She dressed the Elk in a nice little Gucci pantsuit outfit and the Moose in a provocative set of undies from Victoria Secret.
“I’ve said it before.”
And you will say it again.
And you have been wrong before.
And you will be wrong again.
You keep ignoring Obama’s time in the state senate. Hell, as a community organizer, it is arguable that Obama had more responsibilities than Palin had as the mayor of Wasilla.
As for Qualified, he clearly has more qualifications than Bush had.
(On a side note, it appears Palin spent more time at home than at work while she was Governor of Alaska.)
How could you be so wrong, Jay? Obama does have executive experience. Just look at his track record with the Chicago Annenberg Challenge!
“it is arguable that Obama had more responsibilities than Palin had as the mayor of Wasilla. ”
Now, now – we don’t know for sure that Obama would take a town with a population of less that 9,000 and run up a $22 million dollar debt. With that sort of skill, Palin can get a job with Hank Paulson.
Yeah, but he was a Republican.
Yeah, but he was a Republican.
Yeah, but not a Lee Atwater Republican, that’s for sure.
Still, when push comes to shove, IOKIYAR.
Besides, he is still and always more qualified than Palin, there’s no escaping that.
First of all, you’re wrong. And if you’re right, tell us how. Second of all, she’s not running for President.
Besides #2, he’s still the best candidate out of the two of them.
That’s your opinion. And opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one.
You mean like Abe Lincoln, Jay?
You’re comparing Abe Lincoln and Barack Obama and you’re saying that I’m flailing? Hilarious. Abraham Lincoln was at the forefront of a movement that would see the end of slavery in our country (something he spoke out against nearly 23 years before the start of the Civil War) so to compare that experience against Obama’s tracing paper resume is absurd.
How does McCain graduating at the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy, followed by crashing four jets make him qualified?
I see somebody has been taking lessons from Repack “The Piano Man” Rider.
You keep ignoring Obama’s time in the state senate. Hell, as a community organizer, it is arguable that Obama had more responsibilities than Palin had as the mayor of Wasilla.
Who cares about his time in the state senate? All it means is that he’s qualified to be a Senator. And give me a break with the community organizer nonsense. Community organizers have nobody to answer to. They have no real responsibilities and if they fail, nobody notices. Why by the way, Obama did.
As for Qualified, he clearly has more qualifications than Bush had.
No, he does not. How does he “clearly” have more qualifications than Bush did at the time he ran.
On a side note, it appears Palin spent more time at home than at work while she was Governor of Alaska.
No CS. She just did a lot of work out of her office in Anchorage.
Now, now – we don’t know for sure that Obama would take a town with a population of less that 9,000 and run up a $22 million dollar debt.
Nah. He just helped to waste nearly $100 million during his days of “community organizing” with Bill Ayers.
You find it easy to attack Palin’s lack of experience merely because you cannot support Obama’s total lack of qualifications and experience.
Dear Republicans
You have destroyed: the economy, the jobs, American’s reputation, waged illegal – immoral – stupid – costly – wars, you have destroyed the Unions – the only way for a working person to make it into the middle class. You have benifited America – IN ZERO WAYS!
Now you have a near brain-dead ex-POW who CHANGES his OPINIONS HOURLY!!! And a MORON – total unbelievable MORON who believes the world is less than 7,000 years old and believes God supports HER pipeline proposal!
Obama has something you’ve never heard of – never seen in action – never understood the power of – A BRAIN. A real BRAIN – one that looks at FACTS and then APPLIES LOGIC and REASON to them to get to REAL AND EFFECTIVE conclusions. I know that is too much for you to grasp.
BUT – America – thank GOD is not as stupid as you are. November 4th will be the beginning of the end of you ASSH*LES! Crawl back under the rock you were created under and let America strart it’s long climb back to respectability.
Gosh, I feel better – think I’ll go have a double single malt.
Yes, I guess you’re right being mayor of a town and Governor of 643 thousand people for less than two years definitely beats serving in the state senate of Illinois (13 million people) for seven years and the national senate representing the same state for well over three RIGHT OUT OF THE FREAKING PARK OH MY GOD ARE YOU REALLY THIS GOD DAMNED STUPID
“I see somebody has been taking lessons from Repack “The Piano Man” Rider.”
Whatever – he was a crappy pilot who sold out his fellow POWs. Don’t you notice how none of the guys from the same prison vouch for his character?
“Nah. He just helped to waste nearly $100 million during his days of “community organizing” with Bill Ayers.”
Still a drop in the bucket with what taxpayers had to cough up for the Keating 5.
You keep on keepin on telling yourself those things, Jay, old sport. Perhaps it will help you sleep at night.
Oh, and by the way, Obama spoke out against the Iraq invasion when it wasn’t cool to do so. McCain said the anthrax attacks may have come from Saddam, linked Saddam to 9-11, and said the invasion would be, and I quote “easy.” Good day.
Why are Barack Obama and Joe Biden more qualified than John McCain and Sarah Palin? Sen. Obama and Sen. Biden aren’t fucking idiots who wallow in their ignorance.
As for Qualified, he clearly has more qualifications than Bush had.
Jay: No, he does not. How does he “clearly” have more qualifications than Bush did at the time he ran.
So let’s go with your view that Bush had more qualifications than Obama does. Then lets look at what has happened during Bush’s 8 years as President.
An honest person would have to admit that supposed “qualifications” are not an indicator that the person would do a good job.
Obama spoke out against the Iraq invasion when it wasn’t cool to do so.
Oh I know! When he was in the state Senate! The BRAVERY!
and Governor of 643 thousand people for less than two years definitely beats serving in the state senate of Illinois (13 million people) for seven years
Hey Ringo, there are FIFTY-NINE State senators in Illinois. Now if you think that bears as much responsibility as being the Governor of a state, you go right ahead and continue to drink your Kool-Aid. As for Obama’s time in the US Senate, he has spent the last two years campaigning and decided that after 140 days of serving as a Senator (and accomplishing nothing) the country just couldn’t live without him as President.
Why are Barack Obama and Joe Biden more qualified than John McCain and Sarah Palin? Sen. Obama and Sen. Biden aren’t fucking idiots who wallow in their ignorance.
I’ve stepped in deeper puddles.
And what I also find interesting is that if “experience” is such a major league important issue for Obama fans re: Palin, then how come they aren’t concerned about the experience gap with regard to Obama vs. McCain? On the experience issue, Obama doesn’t even come close to McCain in the polls, but I guess that doesn’t count. LOOK! PALIN!
“Now if you think that bears as much responsibility as being the Governor of a state, you go right ahead and continue to drink your Kool-Aid. As for Obama’s time in the US Senate, he has spent the last two years campaigning and decided that after 140 days of serving as a Senator (and accomplishing nothing) the country just couldn’t live without him as President.”
Given that the Governor of Alaska’s chief job is how to hand out welfare checks from the oil industry, then yes – Palin has more experience than Obama. If your criteria is who has more experience in intimidating subordinates – again, I have to give Palin points on that one. Not to mention getting around disclosing official commuincations by using your personal Yahoo account instead of the governor email account – again Palin will fit in just fine in DC.
Palin – “Don’t blink. Don’t think.”
and Governor of 643 thousand people for less than two years definitely beats serving in the state senate of Illinois (13 million people) for seven years
Jay: Hey Ringo, there are FIFTY-NINE State senators in Illinois. Now if you think that bears as much responsibility as being the Governor of a state
Obama represented the 13th district in Illinois. Population about 750,000.
Palin represented Alaska, population about 670,000.
Um… what was your point?
Sean, Palin didn’t “represent” 670,000 people. She’s the Governor of that state. Again, if you (or anybidy else) wants to believe that one state Senator out of 59 has as much responsibility as a Governor of the state, be my guest and be idiotic.
I knew there was a reason why I stopped coming around here less. I lose brain cells dealing with Obama-bots.
Because John McCain’s experience involves voting the wrong way on every major issue for the last 25 years, helping to get us into a useless war, and voting to deregulate the markets and then acting shocked when that creates a shitpile.
Jay: “Who cares about his time in the state senate?”
People who are interested in an intellectually honest debate.
That precludes you, as you are incapable of either.
Me: “As for Qualified, he clearly has more qualifications than Bush had.”
Jay: “No, he does not. How does he ‘clearly’ have more qualifications than Bush did at the time he ran.”
Because he’s not a fucking retard. Bush is clearly one of the worst presidents of all time. He couldn’t have done a worse job had he been trying to destroy the nation.
Jay: “No CS. She just did a lot of work out of her office in Anchorage.”
Yeah, and George Bush did some of his best politicing while clearing brush at his fake ranch.
Do the math. 20 months in office, 30 days a month = 600 days in office. More than 300 days spend at home. If we assume she didn’t bill for weekends, that means she spent 70% of her ‘work’ at home.
Man, she’ll be able to break W’s vacation record with ease.
“wants to believe that one state Senator out of 59 has as much responsibility as a Governor of the state, be my guest and be idiotic.”
She has been governor for less than 2 years, in a position that is not even in session half the year. That workload qualifies her to be governor of Texas, not VP of the U.S.
Plus – ask Republicans in Springfield what it was like to work with Democrat Obama, and it’s generally good reviews. Palin managed to annoy her fellow Republicans in Alaska because they insisted that qualified people be assigned to positions, not just people she went to school with.
The McCain script re-writes are coming with greater rapidity. I thought Obama was unqualified cause he was “only” a community organizer? Or was it do to being “just” a state senator? Then it became that he was a US Senator for “just” two years. How long before we go him being “just” a lecturer at the University of Chicago School of Law or being “just” a Harvard Law grad?
“EMPTY. SUIT.” – better than a dirty one.
I like that. That’s going in the archive.
Abraham Lincoln was at the forefront of a movement that would see the end of slavery in our country (something he spoke out against nearly 23 years before the start of the Civil War) so to compare that experience against Obama’s tracing paper resume is absurd.
Lincoln had no intention of ending slavery when he ran for President.
He may have spoke against it (as Obama did on Iraq) on moral grounds, and he was right to do so and go against popular opinion (as Obama did on Iraq), but there is no evidence to suggest he would end it if he didn’t have to.
But as to resumes, yes, jay, they are almost identical.
Obama is qualified to be President. He knows the law, he knows the Constitution front to back. He is of the required age and an American citizen. That’s it.
NO ONE has experience to be the President except a sitting President, and in Bush’s case, not even then.
“And what I also find interesting is that if “experience” is such a major league important issue for Obama fans”
There’s a minimum level one should have. Personally, I think that’s about a decade in government. Federal is better than state, but both count.
Once you hit that level, experience becomes less important that where people stand on the issues.
If you think gay people can’t raise children, no amount of experience matters.
It’s a nuanced position, so you will have trouble following it. But I will be willing to explain in greater detail and in smaller words if you want.
Mayor of a freaking town and then – suddenly – Governor of the easiest state to Govern. And I just bet that if Obama had been a Governor and Palin a Senator, you’d claim that the Governors just sit back eating pies and it’s the Senators that do the real job. Because you can’t win an honest debate, what with all those pesky facts, so your best bet is to just claim you win the argument automatically. Like you usally do.
And “Ringo” gets more hilarious every single time you use it.
Because he’s not a fucking retard. Bush is clearly one of the worst presidents of all time. He couldn’t have done a worse job had he been trying to destroy the nation.
What was that about honest debate again? I didn’t ask you about Bush’s Presidency. You said Obama was more qualified than Bush was when he decided to run. Explain your point of view. Or are you content to just say “fucking retard” and avoid the issue?
Do the math. 20 months in office, 30 days a month = 600 days in office. More than 300 days spend at home. If we assume she didn’t bill for weekends, that means she spent 70% of her ‘work’ at home.
CS. Not spent “at home.” She worked at her OFFICE IN ANCHORAGE instead of her OFFICE IN JUNEAU. Now please, explain to people what it is that Palin could not not do in Anchorage than she could do in Juneau. Please. Explain.
“CS. Not spent “at home.” She worked at her OFFICE IN ANCHORAGE instead of her OFFICE IN JUNEAU. Now please, explain to people what it is that Palin could not not do in Anchorage than she could do in Juneau. Please. Explain.”
She certainly could not intimidate policemen on the official governor’s phone, could she?
You said Obama was more qualified than Bush was when he decided to run. Explain your point of view.
Well, let’s see. Obama didn’t run two oil companies into the ground (the only oilman ever to do so) that had to be bought by the binLaden Group; Obama didn’t trade Sammy fucking Sosa; Obama didn’t cripple the Texas school system with debt…
so, yeah, I could see how you could say Obama lacks executive experience.
Sarah Palin: Willa Westinghouse redux…
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Jay: I knew there was a reason why I stopped coming around here less.
And here we were all weren’t getting used to not missing your not coming around here, uh, not less.
Was it to take English lessons?
Obama’s pre-presidential experience is comparable to Lincoln’s and JFK’s.
Jay, this isn’t the argument you’re looking for. Not that you care or are smart enough to keep up with the adults in this thread, but I know you try real hard.
Hell, _I_ wish Obama was a little bit older and seasoned myself, but there’s an extreme version of that — too old, too corrupt, too sullied by insider DC politics. That man is John McCain.
A vote for Obama is a vote for a better, stronger, more stable America. McCain is a vote for another four years of Bushism.
“Jay: I knew there was a reason why I stopped coming around here less.”
Really? I was pretty sure you were trolling harder than ever as the USS McCain goes down like the Titanic.
“What was that about honest debate again? I didn’t ask you about Bush’s Presidency. You said Obama was more qualified than Bush was when he decided to run. Explain your point of view. Or are you content to just say “fucking retard” and avoid the issue?”
Let’s try his again…
Bush was not qualified to be president, because he was a fucking retard. He was a fucking retard from before he started his presidency.
Fucking Retard is not a condition that can be cured by experience.
When asked to explain his positions, he sounds like a moron. He sounds like a moron trying to explain something to someone dumber than he is.
The fact that you don’t notice this is proof that you are one of the people dumber than he is.
“Now please, explain to people what it is that Palin could not not do in Anchorage than she could do in Juneau. Please. Explain.”
… Have a meeting with members of the legislative branch.
There’s a reason why the head of the government agencies are centralized in Washington and not spread throughout the nation.
..explain to people what it is that Palin could not not do in Anchorage than she could do in Juneau.
Govern.