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		<title>By: Artifact</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116558</link>
		<dc:creator>Artifact</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 22:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I saw this Photo on Bob Cesca&#039;s Blog, I had to find your page and say that this photo is so beautiful on so many levels. Sometimes images speak louder then words. To me this image is iconic in that regard, a moment in time and history!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw this Photo on Bob Cesca&#8217;s Blog, I had to find your page and say that this photo is so beautiful on so many levels. Sometimes images speak louder then words. To me this image is iconic in that regard, a moment in time and history!</p>
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		<title>By: RussellSmith</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116476</link>
		<dc:creator>RussellSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, what would be the psychological profile of someone who&#039;d be comfortable with attributing characteristics -- positive or negative -- to an entire racial group? What I&#039;m getting at is that you&#039;d almost have to be racist by definition to consider this a valid scientific exercise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, what would be the psychological profile of someone who&#8217;d be comfortable with attributing characteristics &#8212; positive or negative &#8212; to an entire racial group? What I&#8217;m getting at is that you&#8217;d almost have to be racist by definition to consider this a valid scientific exercise.</p>
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		<title>By: Toni</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116341</link>
		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is black?!!  I never noticed.  :-)  

Which is better?  A candidate who is intelligent, thoughtful, liberal, fair, and HONEST?
Or one who votes with Bush 90% of the time, is in the pocket of lobbyists, is so ill-tempered he called his own wife a c*nt in public, chooses a lying Barbie doll for his running mate, apparently thinks noun-verb-POW is reason enough for being elected, and changes his positions on issues from day to day (hell, hour to hour some days).

If a majority of voters can&#039;t see past skin color, then the USA as a democratic republic will be finished.  Totally FUBAR.

(Oh, yeah, and just so you know: I&#039;m a 69-year old white woman.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is black?!!  I never noticed.  <img src='http://www.oliverwillis.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>Which is better?  A candidate who is intelligent, thoughtful, liberal, fair, and HONEST?<br />
Or one who votes with Bush 90% of the time, is in the pocket of lobbyists, is so ill-tempered he called his own wife a c*nt in public, chooses a lying Barbie doll for his running mate, apparently thinks noun-verb-POW is reason enough for being elected, and changes his positions on issues from day to day (hell, hour to hour some days).</p>
<p>If a majority of voters can&#8217;t see past skin color, then the USA as a democratic republic will be finished.  Totally FUBAR.</p>
<p>(Oh, yeah, and just so you know: I&#8217;m a 69-year old white woman.)</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116307</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 02:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>freD wrote: &lt;i&gt;Well, if that ‘Gotta Be A Superstar If You’re Gonna Be The First African-American’ thing is still alive with these people, then Obama’s Harvard magna cum lauda JD should’ve meant something.&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, I&#039;ve wondered if Obama&#039;s resume is so impressive that it would undermine the ability of white voters to identify with him. I guess not--after all, look what happened in Iowa. And by a narrow margin, a recent poll (too tired to search for the link--sorry) said more voters would like to attend a football game with Obama than with McCain. I should hope so--for Christ sake I can&#039;t imagine sitting through a football game with McCain. Good lord.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>freD wrote: <i>Well, if that ‘Gotta Be A Superstar If You’re Gonna Be The First African-American’ thing is still alive with these people, then Obama’s Harvard magna cum lauda JD should’ve meant something.</i></p>
<p>Actually, I&#8217;ve wondered if Obama&#8217;s resume is so impressive that it would undermine the ability of white voters to identify with him. I guess not&#8211;after all, look what happened in Iowa. And by a narrow margin, a recent poll (too tired to search for the link&#8211;sorry) said more voters would like to attend a football game with Obama than with McCain. I should hope so&#8211;for Christ sake I can&#8217;t imagine sitting through a football game with McCain. Good lord.</p>
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		<title>By: LiveFreeOrDie08</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116306</link>
		<dc:creator>LiveFreeOrDie08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, Oliver,

Where did this pick come from?  It should find it&#039;s way to the cover of Time Magazine.  I&#039;m willing to help get it there if you like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, Oliver,</p>
<p>Where did this pick come from?  It should find it&#8217;s way to the cover of Time Magazine.  I&#8217;m willing to help get it there if you like.</p>
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		<title>By: LiveFreeOrDie08</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116305</link>
		<dc:creator>LiveFreeOrDie08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understood what you were going for and I didn&#039;t mean any disrespect to your opinion..  We&#039;re all among friends here. 

The people I think we need to reach out to in these next few weeks are the ones that are what I&#039;ll call &quot;subconsciously racist&quot;.  The ones that honestly don&#039;t hate or have a disdain for non-whites, but yet feel less-than-comfortable, say, with the idea of their son or daughter marrying someone of a different race.

I honestly feel that challenging those people, in a non-threatening way - intellectually challenging them - may be all that&#039;s needed to trigger their moral calculator to re-factor how they ultimately choose in November.

Ask your friends, neighbors, etc &quot;Would you let your daughter marry [pick your ethnic ambassador here]?&quot;  If they miss a beat in their answer you may be standing in front of the vote that chooses the future for you and your family.  Someone worth talking to, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understood what you were going for and I didn&#8217;t mean any disrespect to your opinion..  We&#8217;re all among friends here. </p>
<p>The people I think we need to reach out to in these next few weeks are the ones that are what I&#8217;ll call &#8220;subconsciously racist&#8221;.  The ones that honestly don&#8217;t hate or have a disdain for non-whites, but yet feel less-than-comfortable, say, with the idea of their son or daughter marrying someone of a different race.</p>
<p>I honestly feel that challenging those people, in a non-threatening way &#8211; intellectually challenging them &#8211; may be all that&#8217;s needed to trigger their moral calculator to re-factor how they ultimately choose in November.</p>
<p>Ask your friends, neighbors, etc &#8220;Would you let your daughter marry [pick your ethnic ambassador here]?&#8221;  If they miss a beat in their answer you may be standing in front of the vote that chooses the future for you and your family.  Someone worth talking to, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116303</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, you&#039;re right, Bruce-- there wasn&#039;t any way to say it that didn&#039;t sound bad. What I meant was that Obama would lose his association with the image of blacks that racist white people are afraid of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, you&#8217;re right, Bruce&#8211; there wasn&#8217;t any way to say it that didn&#8217;t sound bad. What I meant was that Obama would lose his association with the image of blacks that racist white people are afraid of.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116302</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 01:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Mary is right. It&#039;s not a coincidence that the first major party black nominee is like Sen. Obama and not like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mary is right. It&#8217;s not a coincidence that the first major party black nominee is like Sen. Obama and not like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116297</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or am I wrong, Mary?</description>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116296</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 00:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see your point, LiveFree, but, if I may be so bold, I think what Mary may have meant was &quot;loses his scariness factor.&quot;
As someone who grew up in the Old South, I&#039;m pretty sure I know what she was trying to communicate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see your point, LiveFree, but, if I may be so bold, I think what Mary may have meant was &#8220;loses his scariness factor.&#8221;<br />
As someone who grew up in the Old South, I&#8217;m pretty sure I know what she was trying to communicate.</p>
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		<title>By: freD</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116293</link>
		<dc:creator>freD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if that ‘Gotta Be A Superstar If You’re Gonna Be The First African-American’ thing is still alive with these people, then Obama’s Harvard magna cum lauda JD should’ve meant something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if that ‘Gotta Be A Superstar If You’re Gonna Be The First African-American’ thing is still alive with these people, then Obama’s Harvard magna cum lauda JD should’ve meant something.</p>
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		<title>By: LiveFreeOrDie08</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116290</link>
		<dc:creator>LiveFreeOrDie08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:35:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um, Mary...appreciate the sentiment and all, but you lost me with the &quot;loses his blackness&quot; thing.  

&quot;Blackness&quot; isn&#039;t a function of intellect or social strata.  African Americans don&#039;t shed their blackness like it is something one desires to be cleansed of via hard work.  

I&#039;m worried by what you said because if you take it to it&#039;s logical extremes you&#039;re communicating an opinion that stupid lazy poor=black.

Maybe there&#039;s more truth in that poll than I had given it credit for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, Mary&#8230;appreciate the sentiment and all, but you lost me with the &#8220;loses his blackness&#8221; thing.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Blackness&#8221; isn&#8217;t a function of intellect or social strata.  African Americans don&#8217;t shed their blackness like it is something one desires to be cleansed of via hard work.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m worried by what you said because if you take it to it&#8217;s logical extremes you&#8217;re communicating an opinion that stupid lazy poor=black.</p>
<p>Maybe there&#8217;s more truth in that poll than I had given it credit for.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116278</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 22:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pathetic and depressing, yes, but I doubt that the numbers in the poll will translate to as large an effect in the election. One thing you have to keep in mind is that white people identify with social class more strongly than with race. (I&#039;m white, so I&#039;m, like, totally qualified to say this.) Marketing studies have shown this. When white people look at a black person as intelligent, accomplished, and well-off as Obama, he kind of loses his blackness in their eyes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pathetic and depressing, yes, but I doubt that the numbers in the poll will translate to as large an effect in the election. One thing you have to keep in mind is that white people identify with social class more strongly than with race. (I&#8217;m white, so I&#8217;m, like, totally qualified to say this.) Marketing studies have shown this. When white people look at a black person as intelligent, accomplished, and well-off as Obama, he kind of loses his blackness in their eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: drinkof</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116274</link>
		<dc:creator>drinkof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 21:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike has this right ... &quot;while by no means are most Republicans racist, most racists vote Republican&quot;

The supposed Bradley / Wilder is much more specific, proposing that x% of voters will tell a pollster they WILL  vote for a black candidate, but WON&#039;T in fact do so.  The principle explanation offered is that the voter wants to appear non-racist to the interviewer, but in fact is racist.

The whole phenomenon has always been questionable.  Who cares what a pollster thinks?  Why would voting against a black candidate in and of itself be considered racist?

The whole thing is further confused by the fact that Mayor Bradley (LA) and Governor Wilder (VA) were winning candidates, so it&#039;s entirely based on the differential between polls and final results.  

Gives WAY too much credence to polls which may have had any number of other problems, to tell you the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike has this right &#8230; &#8220;while by no means are most Republicans racist, most racists vote Republican&#8221;</p>
<p>The supposed Bradley / Wilder is much more specific, proposing that x% of voters will tell a pollster they WILL  vote for a black candidate, but WON&#8217;T in fact do so.  The principle explanation offered is that the voter wants to appear non-racist to the interviewer, but in fact is racist.</p>
<p>The whole phenomenon has always been questionable.  Who cares what a pollster thinks?  Why would voting against a black candidate in and of itself be considered racist?</p>
<p>The whole thing is further confused by the fact that Mayor Bradley (LA) and Governor Wilder (VA) were winning candidates, so it&#8217;s entirely based on the differential between polls and final results.  </p>
<p>Gives WAY too much credence to polls which may have had any number of other problems, to tell you the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Thad</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116271</link>
		<dc:creator>Thad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Careful, Oliver, a Republican blog&#039;s going to link you and talk about how nobody thinks JFK was a good President!

Dr. King&#039;s Letter from Birmingham Jail has always been one of my favorites -- history isn&#039;t made by people who wait and see, it&#039;s made by people who push hard against odds that seem impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careful, Oliver, a Republican blog&#8217;s going to link you and talk about how nobody thinks JFK was a good President!</p>
<p>Dr. King&#8217;s Letter from Birmingham Jail has always been one of my favorites &#8212; history isn&#8217;t made by people who wait and see, it&#8217;s made by people who push hard against odds that seem impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116270</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The fact that well over 90% of Afro-Americans vote Democratic , is in no way an indicator that Republicans will not vote for a black man.&lt;/i&gt;

Impressive, paranoid, and probably deliberate misreading of something clear to those of us who actually understand English. 

Try this: while by no means are most Republicans racist, most racists vote Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The fact that well over 90% of Afro-Americans vote Democratic , is in no way an indicator that Republicans will not vote for a black man.</i></p>
<p>Impressive, paranoid, and probably deliberate misreading of something clear to those of us who actually understand English. </p>
<p>Try this: while by no means are most Republicans racist, most racists vote Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: anotherbozo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116269</link>
		<dc:creator>anotherbozo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the guy who was interviewed (in Iowa?  Alaska?  South Dakota?) and answered, &quot;Hell, I don&#039;t care if he&#039;s purple if he can get us out of this mess.&quot; I noted that HE hadn&#039;t brought up race; the interviewer had.

Mark is totally right--the press LOVES to talk about race, playing the &quot;race card,&quot; polling about race, etc. etc.  Ever since it was widely agreed to consider Obama black, not biracial, and to bury his white mother, they&#039;ve been running with it. Race is such a sexy issue!  Anything but boring old policies, that could mean the difference bewteen life and death for people, the country, the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the guy who was interviewed (in Iowa?  Alaska?  South Dakota?) and answered, &#8220;Hell, I don&#8217;t care if he&#8217;s purple if he can get us out of this mess.&#8221; I noted that HE hadn&#8217;t brought up race; the interviewer had.</p>
<p>Mark is totally right&#8211;the press LOVES to talk about race, playing the &#8220;race card,&#8221; polling about race, etc. etc.  Ever since it was widely agreed to consider Obama black, not biracial, and to bury his white mother, they&#8217;ve been running with it. Race is such a sexy issue!  Anything but boring old policies, that could mean the difference bewteen life and death for people, the country, the planet.</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116268</link>
		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Sen. Obama&#039;s Ferrari of a money machine and Porsche of a campaign can&#039;t get over this hump, how long will it be before another chance comes along?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Sen. Obama&#8217;s Ferrari of a money machine and Porsche of a campaign can&#8217;t get over this hump, how long will it be before another chance comes along?</p>
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		<title>By: Duros Hussein 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116263</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 19:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was pretty clearly stated, and no, facts or theoretical basis are not generally required of an opinion, if it is stated as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was pretty clearly stated, and no, facts or theoretical basis are not generally required of an opinion, if it is stated as such.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/20/running-vs-history/#comment-116262</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;those who have even a small, back of the mind, problem with voting for a black man are already 99.9% committed to voting Republican&lt;/i&gt;

Are you saying that of all the people who have &quot;even a small, back of the mind, problem with voting for a black man&quot;, 99.9% are Republican?

Or are you saying that this effect does not show itself if the black candidate is Republican?

In either case, is there any factual, or even theoretical basis for that opinion?

The fact that well over 90% of Afro-Americans vote Democratic , is in no way an indicator that Republicans will not vote for a black man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>those who have even a small, back of the mind, problem with voting for a black man are already 99.9% committed to voting Republican</i></p>
<p>Are you saying that of all the people who have &#8220;even a small, back of the mind, problem with voting for a black man&#8221;, 99.9% are Republican?</p>
<p>Or are you saying that this effect does not show itself if the black candidate is Republican?</p>
<p>In either case, is there any factual, or even theoretical basis for that opinion?</p>
<p>The fact that well over 90% of Afro-Americans vote Democratic , is in no way an indicator that Republicans will not vote for a black man.</p>
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