How do we know Obama/Biden is bringing their “A” game? Sen. Biden goes there. Yep, he used “malarkey”.
“I guarantee you, Barack Obama ain’t taking my shotguns, so don’t buy that malarkey,” Biden said angrily. “They’re going to start peddling that to you.
“I got two, if he tries to fool with my Beretta, he’s got a problem.”
Wayne LaPierre of the NRA gets a million dollar salary and will do anything to keep top 1 percent tax cutters in office
Right. If Obama wins, who wants to bet that one of the first things the leftists do is reintroduce the useless “assault” weapons ban?
Unfortunately, the rhetoric of Biden and Obama doesn’t match THEIR RECORDS.
Keep spewing, Jay. You’re fun to watch.
“If Obama wins, who wants to bet that one of the first things the leftists do…”
Biden was specifically talking about what Obama WOULDN’T do with regards to gun policy, not what unnamed “leftists” in Congress WOULD do. How does “leftists” reintroducing the assault weapons ban contradict what Biden is saying here?
one of the first things the leftists do
Leftists? You’ve been hanging around with mccann again, haven’t you?
Why do you believe the assault weapon ban is “useless” anyway?
I’m not very familiar with the assault weapons ban.
I don’t think it kept me from buying any weapons.
What weapons did iit keep you from buying, Jay?
Did you buy them when the ban ended?
Oh, and when the democrats held the white house and both houses from 1960-1968, and 1976-1980, and 1992-1994, how many weapons were confiscated?
I’ll give you a hint: It’s equal to the number of abortions the Republicans have prevented when they had the same advantages.
Exactly zero.
Yes, leftists. I don’t call them “progressives” because nothing they’re about brings about progress. I won’t even call them liberals because they’re not liberals in the classic sense. Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Charles Rangel, et. al are leftists.
Daniel, Obama has been trying to reassure gun owners that he’s on their side. The problem is, the guy is a gun grabber in the extreme. He supported the DC handgun ban when it was clearly unconstitutional and he supports the similar unconstitutional ban in Chicago as well. How can he say he supports the second amendment when he supports such blatantly unconstitutional laws? Did he sign on to the Heller brief affirming a right to bear arms? Nope.
As for shotguns, Obama did vote for a bill while he was in the Illinois Senate that would have, by its very definition banned many shotguns used for hunting and target shooting in addition to almost any semi-automatic handgun.
I’m sorry but when he tells his supporters to tell people “He believes in the second amendment” he’s telling his supporters to lie for him.
Heller?
That’s the one where Scalia spent pages of contortions to demonstrate the “well regulated militia” = “self defense”?
(To be fair I agree with the decision, but not the opinion as written.)
I don’t call them “progressives” because nothing they’re about brings about progress. I won’t even call them liberals because they’re not liberals in the classic sense.
Suit yourself. By the same measure, most of the GOP is filled with “rightists.”
I have never understood the degree to which some people are obsessed with guns. I just don’t get it.
“…by its very definition banned many shotguns used for hunting…
Good. Hunting is disgusting.
It’s fantastic to see Joe has come out swinging on this issue. I love the ’said angrily;’ I’m waiting for them to dip into the hack writer’s list of ’said’ replacers (growled, snarled, etc.). The campaign isn’t letting the Republicans define it this time around (gun-snatching, gay-marrying defeat-declaring elitists). Sens. Obama and Biden are probably right around a majority position in the US — light gun controls, but not draconic gun control. Obviously the conservatives will try to paint them as the latter.
Hunting is disgusting.
More or less disgusting than eating meat raised in an industrial concentrated feeding operation?
I have never understood the degree to which some people are obsessed with guns. I just don’t get it.
If you’re an American, it’s in your blood. The era post-colonization and pre-twentieth century, in many respects, belonged to the personal firearm. Right or wrong, it has come to be associated with ‘freedom’ in the eyes of many, including most of my family, and to a lesser degree than them, myself. These things have a way of sticking in the social memory longer than they last in an individual’s memory.
I won’t even call them liberals because they’re not liberals in the classic sense.
You’ll forgive me, then, if I reserve the apellate ‘conservative’ until I’m certain you’re a good monarchist supporting the Ancien Regime.
Which Obama is Biden talking about? The Obama who supported the DC gun ban, or the Obama who supported the Supreme Court ruling that said the ban was unconstitutional?
You can’t blame me for my confusion. Obama claimed to hold both opinions at the same time.
Also, Obama — while a state legislator — backed a measure banning gun shops within five miles of any school or park. FIVE MILES. That means that every school or park generates a ten-mile-across circle where guns could not be sold. Given the density of schools and parks across much of the nation, this would exile gun shops to nowhere but the furthest hinterlands.
OK, so maybe Obama won’t be into confiscating guns. But just try and replace old guns, or acquire new ones, or grow up and try to get your own. Forget it.
Obama also backed a plan to ban all gun sales at gun shows. Period. Not “closing loopholes,” not “tightening restrictions,” not “making it less likely for the wrong people to get guns,” banning them OUTRIGHT.
And I’m speaking as someone who owns no guns, and has no desire to own any.
Thanks, but I’ll pass.
J.
“…this would exile gun shops to nowhere but the furthest hinterlands”.
Sounds good to me.
Unless, of course, rotter, we apply the same sort of logic to the right to keep and bear arms to the “right” to have an abortion, when “convenient access” is an argument against zoning restrictions and whatnot.
I’ll admit, it’s a bit of a stretch to apply the same sort of reasoning to an actual right spelled out in the Constitution to one that a few “enlightened” justices found lurking in the “penumbra” of an “implied right,” so well hidden it was unseen for almost two centuries, but I guess I’m kind of a radical that way.
J.
JT, a couple of weeks ago, in another thread on this blog, you trotted out your tired argument about Obama’s support for “both sides” of the DC gun ban decision.
As I and others pointed out to you then, what Obama was saying, IN THE QUOTES YOU PROVIDED at the time, was that: 1. He thought the DC gun ban was a good idea, 2. when the Supreme Court said it was unconstitutional, they also left room for local governments to apply reasonable restrictions in some cases, and 3. what the SCOTUS says, goes, and that’s a good thing.
So, don’t claim that we can’t “blame you for your confusion.” It’s been explained, twice now, in terms any 3rd grade civics student could understand. For you to cling to that talking point is evidence of a willful disregard for the truth.
mambochicken23:
I have never understood the degree to which some people are obsessed with guns. I just don’t get it.
Guns = steel penis surrogates. Or dildoes, for the Palin set.
“keep and bear” does not mean “buy and sell”
I have never understood the degree to which some people are obsessed with guns. I just don’t get it.
They’re guys who wished they could be in the Army and shoot people, but they’re scared of people who shoot back.
So they talk out their asses. It’s safer and makes them feel patriotic.
Repack (and it’s not often one has the opportunity to say this), you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Some people own guns and hunt with them. I don’t consider them “obsessed.”
Gun-obsessed people are afraid of stuff, and they own a LOT of guns. Most of these clowns couldn’t pass the psychological tests to get into the military, so they fantasize.
There is plenty of dangerous stuff out there, but I don’t spend my life worrying about it or arming myself against it. I have better things to do than cower in fear with a firearm by my side, and I refuse to own one.
I haven’t had the desire to pick up a weapon since I got out of the Army in 1968. YMMV
Ah. Makes sense. Shouldn’t have assumed you meant all gun-owners en masse. Re-reading I see that wasn’t stated. Speaking from personal experience, gun-owners certainly are a diverse bunch; sport shooters, hunters, home-protectors and the full-blown weekend warriors you’re describing.
Speaking as the owner of a small .22 that has never shot anything more dangerous than a Dr. Pepper can, I can say I’ll happily shoot people in a computer game but have exactly zero desire to do so in the real world.