This conservative blogger is attacking me for connecting FDR to Obama/Biden. He thinks that this is a bad thing. FDR is considered one of America’s greatest presidents – across the aisles. He not only led us out of the Depression that happened on the Republican Hoover’s watch, he also created social security and led our nation through it’s most dangerous hour – World War II. He’s not nearly up to the same level as FDR, but I don’t pretend as if President Reagan wasn’t a very popular guy and has a special place in history. I’m well aware of it. I don’t allow partisan blinders to make me think that Ronald Reagan had a strong resonance with the American people.
It would be such a disaster if Sen. Obama was thought of in the same breath as President Roosevelt. An awesome disaster of kickassery.
Norquist kool aid cup runneth over
His argument is a joke. “Well why don’t we all just pay all our money in taxes so we can be SUPER-PATRIOTS? HYUK-YUK-YUK!” As if that’s what Sen. Biden was saying. If you think FDR was a bad president, that’s sort of code for “I am a partisan whacko – why are you listening to me?”
Yes, it’s definitely a bad thing to be linked to the president who ranks in the top three of every scholar poll of greatest presidents.
Well, come on then; who is attacking whom, here Ollie?
Which one of the things I staked to old Roosie is incorrect?
Can you show me the closed checks of some known liberal freely giving their excess income to the gov’t regularly?
I’m willing to pay taxes for the necessities listed in the Constitution, but why should I pay for anything more than those? Those silly Founding Fathers who never thought the rate of taxation would go over 4%, just how unpatriotic were they?
I’m doing just fine for my own retirement and will use the money that was stolen from me to buy only frivolous items if it still there in 30 years when I’m “of age to collect”.
If I didn’t have a gun pointed at me by the .gov there would be no way I’d voluntarily pay for someone to be out of work unless their incentive to find a job is that they’ll have to pay it all back into the system.
Lastly, just exactly how many drugs does one have to consume to figure that it is “fair” to make someone pay 25% because they make a set amount, and then making someone else pay 35% because they makes a larger set amount? Sounds unfair to the guy/gal who makes the larger amount, if you ask a sane person.
Oh wait, that would actually follow the Oxford’s definition of the word “fair” and make turn your mixing bowl filled with Marxist kool aid into a colander, wouldn’t it?
.gov makes wars, .gov needs to pay for wars, .gov needs retards like you to substantiate wars, .gov needs mine and your $ to pay for said wars, why does Phil hate patriotic Americans who are willing to pay for wars instead of making my grandchildren pay them off with even more taxes?
You fucking nitwit.
THE STRAWMAN!!!!!!! IT BURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNS!
Over at Phil’s place, he wrote this about FDR:
All yours, fellas.
Damn, where do they come from? Didn’t think they had broadband in survivalist compounds.
Said power hungriness clearly demonstrated by his refusal to leave office and continuing to serve as President for nearly 3 months past the end of his third term.
Phil, yer an idjit.
FDR did run for and win a fourth term, dumbass.
Eisenhower would have, too, but shortsighted Republicans, fearing that they would never have a Prez as popular as FDR, had already pushed through a term-limit Amendment to the Constitution.
My mom , rest her soul, always credited FDR with personally rescuing her family from homelessness and starvation when she was a child.
By all means, Phil, go ahead and badmouth FDR, one of the greatest Presidents in history. Maybe you can get other nutjobs to help you, thus further exposing the Nutjob Movement as a “nutjob” movement.
Can someone parse this for me, ‘cuz it don’t make any sense.
That’s some nutty sauce you’re peddling, Phil.
You guys should stick with the NAFTA superhighway and the Federal Reserve. It’s ever so slighly more plausible than the FDR bashing.
Bruce Henry: Republicans, fearing that they would never have a Prez as popular as FDR, had already pushed through a term-limit Amendment to the Constitution
Yeah. Damn those pesky Republicans for proposing an amendment that supported a position originally taken by Thomas Jefferson. And then “forcing” 75% of the states to vote in favor of it.
I’m willing to pay taxes for the necessities listed in the Constitution, but why should I pay for anything more than those?
Because we live in the modern world.
Those silly Founding Fathers who never thought the rate of taxation would go over 4%, just how unpatriotic were they?
Again, 1776 vs. 2008. They were content in horse drawn carriages, why aren’t we??
I’m doing just fine for my own retirement and will use the money that was stolen from me to buy only frivolous items if it still there in 30 years when I’m “of age to collect”.
It isn’t about you doing just fine. We live in a country. All of us. The roads aren’t just for the poor, the army isn’t just for the rich.
Lastly, just exactly how many drugs does one have to consume to figure that it is “fair” to make someone pay 25% because they make a set amount, and then making someone else pay 35% because they makes a larger set amount?
Because we have a system of progressive taxation that has led America to economic dominance over the rest of the world. If it ain’t broke…
your mixing bowl filled with Marxist kool aid
What in God’s name does the Marx brothers have to do with this?
But yes, you and your boys go along and keep attacking Obama for being too much like FDR. Don’t throw me into that briar patch, B’rer Fox!
Duros Hussein 62: Can someone parse this for me, ‘cuz it don’t make any sense.
“So local hate-monger and blogger, David Neiwert gets his eyeballs on an old photo of Sarah Palin (circa 1995) and sees her sitting with a current for the time issue of the The John Birch Society’s Con Con Call newsletter, causing him to spasm into the pit of hatred that is the FireDogLake blog a dumb, stupid, ignorant question:”
Sure. It’s badly written (seems to be Phil’s style) but I think the meaning can be gotten if you take it slowly.
Translation: Neiwert saw an old photo of Palin. In it she’s holding the issue of a newsletter. The issue she’s holding was the current issue at the time the photo was taken. Seeing this photo caused Neiwert to ask a question.
Is there some sort of requirement for Con bloggers to write like Strunk & White in a blender? Is that on the wing-nut welfare application form or something?
Sean, I wasn’t saying that Republicans were wrong to push to change the Constitution to prevent third Presidential terms. Just saying that, after doing so, they wished they hadn’t.
And Phil is an idiot.
Oooh, fifth instead of fourth. Excuse me for not readng the preview before hitting the button (and then cutting and pasting into a blogpost). Sue me.
Is that all you guys got? Can’t defend the Roosie any better than that? You’re all pathetic. Lambasting Bush for a handful only to turn around and praise Roosie for a train load. Good morals you all have there.
My argument is no more a joke, Parth, than Biden’s. He was saying that if “The Rich” don’t want to pay “their fair share” then they are being “unpatriotic”. If you cannot see that, then you are the partisan wacko who doesn’t deserve to be listened to. And seeing as how you cannot think up a better defense than “well, biased academics like FDR” then you are a partisan wacko. He was a one man wrecking crew to this country.
Barrage, I’m willing to pay for the war. Remember your civics: That is laid out in the Constitution. But why should I be paying for donations to religious organizations at the same time? Why should I be paying for crooked ACORN’s sustenance?
I’m sorry to hear your mom was raised into the Cult of Roosie, Bruce. It is a good thing she wasn’t of Japanese descent, because the guy didn’t give half a rat’s asshole about starving kids. And Bruce, while Ike may have negotiated the leaving of POW’s in the hands of the Norks, he actually did have some respect for tradition. So you just come up with some proof that Ike wanted a third term, or take your opinion and go home.
So O-Dub, according to your logic, by 2225, Americans will be paying what, a 70% federal income tax rate? Your argument makes absolutely no sense. Also, roads are part of the commonwealth, giving us all kinds of prosperity from the interstate transit of goods (aka: Commerce). I don’t mind paying for those either. Though I’m not at all opposed to private toll roads.
And please explain to me exactly how would a flat rate of taxes not led to the same economic dominance, Oliver.
Oh, and I forgot to include this on the list of atrocities committed by FDR: Within 90 days of his ascension to the Executive Office, FDR issued Executive Order #6102, banning the private ownership of more than $100 in precious metals.
Any and all peoples who did not comply were under threat of arrest, without Congress passing a a single bill. Once again, the left rails against Bush’s EO’s and then thurns around and praises FDR’s criminalizing the ownership of money.
And lastly, we’re not going to attack Obama for being too much like FDR, we’re going to point out all the tyrannical things FDR did first. When the sycophants have to repeatedly explain away the items I have listed, maybe even someone as silly as yourself will figure out that FDR was the tyrant they are always claiming Bush is.
And I’m posting this one as a separate comment, because I want some answers to it, either here or at my place.
I’m not making $250K a year yet, but let’s say that I am. Biden says explicitly that he and Obama want to put the money he takes from those making over $250K “back” into the hands of “working class people”.
I’m guessing that most, if not all, of you consider yourselves the “Working Class People” Biden was talking about.
So here is the question: What, exactly, have you done to deserve my money?
I worked for it. Doesn’t that make me “Working Class”?
Just because someone decided that my job skills were worth that amount and they are compensating me with a regular payment equaling over the dollar amount Obama and Biden chose, doesn’t mean that I have to put on special boots and step out of the “Working Class”.
Being able to suck in oxygen does not qualify you to my money. If you were to do what the government does and point a gun at me while attempting to take it, I would be legally justified in defending myself.
That your dick works and your chosen female better also has functional reproductive organs does not qualify you for my money. Especially if you two have proven that you cannot do the necessary mathematics beforehand that would have shown you your inability to provide for your offspring.
That you have a severe enough lack of job skills that you cannot provide for yourself also does not qualify you to my money.
So now with these items out of the way, I am at a complete loss as to what, exactly, you have done to deserve the money I worked for.
Remember, we’re not discussing the sick or the disabled here. Biden specifically said that just because someone does not make the same amount of money as I, that they are deserving of money that I earned from working.
I can wait all day for an answer.
Phil, you’re of course entitled to that opinion, but not on the basis of scholar bias. In the Federalist Society’s poll of 2000, where the politics of its participants were deliberately balanced, FDR ranks third all-time. If you still want to accuse them of political bias, President Reagan finished an astounding eighth, better than any other poll of which I’m aware. The Murray Blessing 1982 survey split its liberal and conservative participants (scholars all) in their polling; in the conservative portion, FDR finished third, again behind Lincoln and Washington. But as OW pointed out, if you actually think it’s a bad thing to be tied to a former president with a 81% approval rating, well, good luck with that.
And I referred to your argument as a joke because it had almost nothing to do with Sen. Biden’s. He said “it’s patriotic to pay your fair share,” whereas the part of yours that I paraphrased said “the more you pay, the more patriotic you are.” Huge difference. And if you have a legitimate qualm with what the Senator said, fine. But this one is not.
Here’s a piece on the Federalist poll, split off to avoid moderation.
My wife and I make more than 250K per year. As Philadelphia residents we pay a city income tax of about 4% and a state income tax of around 3% in addition to the Federal tax. We don’t have a lifestyle of the rich and famous; we are in our fifties, both bike to work and our kids go to a neighborhood public school.
I do not have a problem with the fact that Obama’s tax plan calls for my Federal taxes to increase.
Nor do I have problem with the fact that a reactionary troll like yourself would see no tax increase, and may even pay less tax, under Obama’s plan — all this even after we learn that your sorry lazy ass has all day to wait for an response to your hypothetical bullshit.
Don’t you be talkin’ ’bout my momma, Phil.
FDR was no less racist than his times. The most ardent liberals laughed uproariously every week at “Amos ‘n’ Andy.” “Gone With the Wind” was considered great cinema. Jim Crow was the norm.
George Washington and Thomas Jefferson are considered great Presidents despite condoning slavery, and even being slaveowners themselves. FDR’s internment of the Nisei was widely applauded at the time as necessary for national security, even though we can all see how godawful a decision it was in hindsight.
My assertion that Ike would have run for a third term if he could have was a common one in the 1960s as I came of age. Just as you are probably convinced that “Reagan won the Cold War”, I hold that opinion about Ike. So screw you. I don’t have to “prove” anything to a Neanderthal.
By the way, sorry about making you “wait all day.” I was pulling a shift at the second job I hold to keep my head above water in the Bush years.
Actually, I really didn’t assert that Ike WANTED a third term, just that many Republicans would have liked him to run again, but that they had pushed to prevent it. And regretted doing so.