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		<title>By: Duros Hussein 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115333</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s not forget K-Lo is the EDITOR at National Review. And she couldn&#039;t construct a coherent sentence with a building permit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not forget K-Lo is the EDITOR at National Review. And she couldn&#8217;t construct a coherent sentence with a building permit.</p>
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		<title>By: Repack Rider</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115326</link>
		<dc:creator>Repack Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’d like to know in what book does it say that a prerequisite for being President is the ability to sit around sending out emails all day.&lt;/i&gt;

I don&#039;t do every job in my company.  BUT I SURE AS HELL KNOW WHAT THOSE JOBS ARE AND HOW THEY ARE DONE.

You&#039;re saying this guy does not need to know how to spell, or read, or wipe his ass, because he has &quot;people&quot; for that.  

You have switched from his injuries preventing his use of the computer, a bogus argument since extremely handicapped people can do so, to saying he doesn&#039;t NEED to.

When you settle on your reason for saying this guy does not need to be able to use the most universal information technology at a third grade level, please elucidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’d like to know in what book does it say that a prerequisite for being President is the ability to sit around sending out emails all day.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t do every job in my company.  BUT I SURE AS HELL KNOW WHAT THOSE JOBS ARE AND HOW THEY ARE DONE.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re saying this guy does not need to know how to spell, or read, or wipe his ass, because he has &#8220;people&#8221; for that.  </p>
<p>You have switched from his injuries preventing his use of the computer, a bogus argument since extremely handicapped people can do so, to saying he doesn&#8217;t NEED to.</p>
<p>When you settle on your reason for saying this guy does not need to be able to use the most universal information technology at a third grade level, please elucidate.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115323</link>
		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Nah. You’re just writing bogus shit. As usual.&quot;

So, Jay, is it your understanding that Palin and McCain want to keep abortion legal? Yes or no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Nah. You’re just writing bogus shit. As usual.&#8221;</p>
<p>So, Jay, is it your understanding that Palin and McCain want to keep abortion legal? Yes or no.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115306</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fafaroo: &quot;How cute. Jay’s playing stupid again.&quot;

Jay: &quot;Nah.&quot;

Jay&#039;s not playing stupid. He is stupid.

They are not fighting to overturn Roe vs. Wade because of States&#039; rights. They are doing it to ban abortions, even in the case of rape and incest with Palin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fafaroo: &#8220;How cute. Jay’s playing stupid again.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jay: &#8220;Nah.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jay&#8217;s not playing stupid. He is stupid.</p>
<p>They are not fighting to overturn Roe vs. Wade because of States&#8217; rights. They are doing it to ban abortions, even in the case of rape and incest with Palin.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115303</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;So he is MORE disabled than Stephen Hawking, who, as you pointed out, can’t work without a computer? Are you sure he is up to the job of being president, with all the intellectual and physical limitations you have identified?&lt;/i&gt;

You&#039;re missing the point, but that&#039;s not unusual. I&#039;d like to know in what book does it say that a prerequisite for being President is the ability to sit around sending out emails all day. And let&#039;s remember that the people shrieking &quot;LIAR!&quot; every other second as part of their new campaign strategy are lying themselves when they say that McCain &quot;doesn&#039;t know how&quot; to send email or use a computer. 

&lt;i&gt;How cute. Jay’s playing stupid again.&lt;/i&gt;

Nah. You&#039;re just writing bogus shit. As usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>So he is MORE disabled than Stephen Hawking, who, as you pointed out, can’t work without a computer? Are you sure he is up to the job of being president, with all the intellectual and physical limitations you have identified?</i></p>
<p>You&#8217;re missing the point, but that&#8217;s not unusual. I&#8217;d like to know in what book does it say that a prerequisite for being President is the ability to sit around sending out emails all day. And let&#8217;s remember that the people shrieking &#8220;LIAR!&#8221; every other second as part of their new campaign strategy are lying themselves when they say that McCain &#8220;doesn&#8217;t know how&#8221; to send email or use a computer. </p>
<p><i>How cute. Jay’s playing stupid again.</i></p>
<p>Nah. You&#8217;re just writing bogus shit. As usual.</p>
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		<title>By: PD100</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115302</link>
		<dc:creator>PD100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pick either Jay, that&#039;s not playing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pick either Jay, that&#8217;s not playing.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115289</link>
		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;They are?&quot;

How cute. Jay&#039;s playing stupid again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They are?&#8221;</p>
<p>How cute. Jay&#8217;s playing stupid again.</p>
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		<title>By: Repack Rider</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115272</link>
		<dc:creator>Repack Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I keep forgetting what a tough guy you are.&lt;/i&gt;

Come out to the coast, we&#039;ll have a few laughs, and then we&#039;ll go for a bike ride, and I&#039;ll be happy to show you.

Assuming, of course, that your war injuries from Iraq don&#039;t prevent you from riding a bike.

&lt;i&gt;Or are you that obtuse not to able to figure out that war injuries sustained in 1971 could be far more debilitating 30 years later?&lt;/i&gt;

So he is MORE disabled than Stephen Hawking, who, as you pointed out, can&#039;t work without a computer?  Are you sure he is up to the job of being president, with all the intellectual and physical limitations you have identified?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I keep forgetting what a tough guy you are.</i></p>
<p>Come out to the coast, we&#8217;ll have a few laughs, and then we&#8217;ll go for a bike ride, and I&#8217;ll be happy to show you.</p>
<p>Assuming, of course, that your war injuries from Iraq don&#8217;t prevent you from riding a bike.</p>
<p><i>Or are you that obtuse not to able to figure out that war injuries sustained in 1971 could be far more debilitating 30 years later?</i></p>
<p>So he is MORE disabled than Stephen Hawking, who, as you pointed out, can&#8217;t work without a computer?  Are you sure he is up to the job of being president, with all the intellectual and physical limitations you have identified?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115262</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mine certainly are -- which is they have been sending me a disability check my whole life since my discharge ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mine certainly are &#8212; which is they have been sending me a disability check my whole life since my discharge &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115260</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;What this ticket is advocating is that abortion should be illegal&lt;/i&gt;

They are?

&lt;i&gt;But not the cellphone or the Blackberry?&lt;/i&gt;

Right, because we know that typing away at a keyboard is the same thing as pressing a fucking button to answer a phone or pressing a scroll wheel to read an email on a Blackberry. Cripes, what a maroon.

&lt;i&gt;I got two words for McCain’s “war injuries” that prevent him from using a keyboard: Stephen Hawking.&lt;/i&gt;

You do realize that Stephen Hawking cannot work without a computer so that&#039;s a stupid comparison, but I have to consider the source.

&lt;i&gt;We know John is stuck in the 19th century, but how does he remain unaware that computers have liberated any number of people who have physical limitations far greater than his?&lt;/i&gt;

In what way does &quot;he remain unaware?&quot;

&lt;i&gt;Good thing his “war injuries” didn’t prevent him from flying jets after his release, because as you know, jets are a lot easier to operate than computers, and don’t require any degree of dexterity.&lt;/i&gt;

So what you&#039;re saying is that you can ride your mountain bike now the same way you did in 1978. Is that right? Let me guess. He-Man Piano Mover can still probably show Lance Armstrong a thing or too right? I keep forgetting what a tough guy you are.

Or are you that obtuse not to able to figure out that war injuries sustained in 1971 could be far more debilitating 30 years later?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>What this ticket is advocating is that abortion should be illegal</i></p>
<p>They are?</p>
<p><i>But not the cellphone or the Blackberry?</i></p>
<p>Right, because we know that typing away at a keyboard is the same thing as pressing a fucking button to answer a phone or pressing a scroll wheel to read an email on a Blackberry. Cripes, what a maroon.</p>
<p><i>I got two words for McCain’s “war injuries” that prevent him from using a keyboard: Stephen Hawking.</i></p>
<p>You do realize that Stephen Hawking cannot work without a computer so that&#8217;s a stupid comparison, but I have to consider the source.</p>
<p><i>We know John is stuck in the 19th century, but how does he remain unaware that computers have liberated any number of people who have physical limitations far greater than his?</i></p>
<p>In what way does &#8220;he remain unaware?&#8221;</p>
<p><i>Good thing his “war injuries” didn’t prevent him from flying jets after his release, because as you know, jets are a lot easier to operate than computers, and don’t require any degree of dexterity.</i></p>
<p>So what you&#8217;re saying is that you can ride your mountain bike now the same way you did in 1978. Is that right? Let me guess. He-Man Piano Mover can still probably show Lance Armstrong a thing or too right? I keep forgetting what a tough guy you are.</p>
<p>Or are you that obtuse not to able to figure out that war injuries sustained in 1971 could be far more debilitating 30 years later?</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115259</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 01:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My stance on abortion is simple: &lt;blockquote&gt;Since no woman in history has ever given birth to a leggo, a ping pong paddle, or a locomotive, it&#039;s safe to say that the result of a full - term pregnancy will be a child. That being the case, whether or not there is &quot;life&quot; after &lt;i&gt;X&lt;/i&gt; amount of weeks is irrelevant. There will be. Who are we, man or woman, to prevent that life from coming into the world?&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My stance on abortion is simple:<br />
<blockquote>Since no woman in history has ever given birth to a leggo, a ping pong paddle, or a locomotive, it&#8217;s safe to say that the result of a full &#8211; term pregnancy will be a child. That being the case, whether or not there is &#8220;life&#8221; after <i>X</i> amount of weeks is irrelevant. There will be. Who are we, man or woman, to prevent that life from coming into the world?</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Repack Rider</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115254</link>
		<dc:creator>Repack Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;discussed how his war injuries make it extremely difficult and painful for him to use keyboards.&lt;/i&gt;

But not the cellphone or the Blackberry?  (The reason he can&#039;t use a cellphone is because his campaign took it away from him.)

I got two words for McCain&#039;s &quot;war injuries&quot; that prevent him from using a keyboard: Stephen Hawking.

We know John is stuck in the 19th century, but how does he remain unaware that computers have liberated any number of people who have physical limitations far greater than his?  Are you aware that there are dozens of adapations for computers that allow complete quadraplegics LIKE MY COUSIN to use computers?  Apparently not.  You should try asking The Google about that.  Google is what we in the modern world call a &quot;search engine.&quot;

Good thing his &quot;war injuries&quot; didn&#039;t prevent him from flying jets after his release, because as you know, jets are a lot easier to operate than computers, and don&#039;t require any degree of dexterity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>discussed how his war injuries make it extremely difficult and painful for him to use keyboards.</i></p>
<p>But not the cellphone or the Blackberry?  (The reason he can&#8217;t use a cellphone is because his campaign took it away from him.)</p>
<p>I got two words for McCain&#8217;s &#8220;war injuries&#8221; that prevent him from using a keyboard: Stephen Hawking.</p>
<p>We know John is stuck in the 19th century, but how does he remain unaware that computers have liberated any number of people who have physical limitations far greater than his?  Are you aware that there are dozens of adapations for computers that allow complete quadraplegics LIKE MY COUSIN to use computers?  Apparently not.  You should try asking The Google about that.  Google is what we in the modern world call a &#8220;search engine.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good thing his &#8220;war injuries&#8221; didn&#8217;t prevent him from flying jets after his release, because as you know, jets are a lot easier to operate than computers, and don&#8217;t require any degree of dexterity.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115253</link>
		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If I were to wave a magic wand and say that whatever YOU say will suddenly become the law of the land governing abortion, what would it be?&quot;

Jay Tea, you do understand that each state already has a law or laws governing abortion, right? You do understand that the states write these laws within the limitations laid out by the Supreme Court, right? 

As I understand it, Roe v Wade, set viability as the outer limit for legal abortions with viability defined as 24-28 weeks, making exceptions for those cases in which a mother&#039;s health is at risk. 

All that seems fine to me. Here&#039;s a scary question for you: Why are you pretending to be ignorant of the basic facts of this issue?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If I were to wave a magic wand and say that whatever YOU say will suddenly become the law of the land governing abortion, what would it be?&#8221;</p>
<p>Jay Tea, you do understand that each state already has a law or laws governing abortion, right? You do understand that the states write these laws within the limitations laid out by the Supreme Court, right? </p>
<p>As I understand it, Roe v Wade, set viability as the outer limit for legal abortions with viability defined as 24-28 weeks, making exceptions for those cases in which a mother&#8217;s health is at risk. </p>
<p>All that seems fine to me. Here&#8217;s a scary question for you: Why are you pretending to be ignorant of the basic facts of this issue?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, then, Zython, what is YOUR answer to the abortion question? If I were to wave a magic wand and say that whatever YOU say will suddenly become the law of the land governing abortion, what would it be?

Don&#039;t be afraid. Put your opinion forth. It&#039;s only a LITTLE scarier than just shitting all over other people&#039;s arguments without offering your own...

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, then, Zython, what is YOUR answer to the abortion question? If I were to wave a magic wand and say that whatever YOU say will suddenly become the law of the land governing abortion, what would it be?</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t be afraid. Put your opinion forth. It&#8217;s only a LITTLE scarier than just shitting all over other people&#8217;s arguments without offering your own&#8230;</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 00:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;We already have a working definition of life and death — brain activity, of a certain level.&lt;/i&gt;

And even the pro-life crowd opposes this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>We already have a working definition of life and death — brain activity, of a certain level.</i></p>
<p>And even the pro-life crowd opposes this.</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115249</link>
		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Nowhere in the examples Oliver cites does it ever state throwing a woman in jail for having an abortion.&lt;/i&gt;

Granted, but here&#039;s the question. Why? If abortion were illegal, wouldn&#039;t a woman having an abortion be breaking the law?

&lt;i&gt;But this just makes their arguments a shambles. They’re saying abortion is murder, and that means it’s premediated, first degree murder, but they don’t want the person who commits the “murder”, who hires the people who do the “murder”, to receive any punishment. And of course these same people often support capital punishment for murder, except in this one case. Obviously they do this because it’s not politically palatable to do what their values, if applied honestly, demand.&lt;/i&gt;

THANK YOU!

&lt;i&gt; I think they would say that it’s the doctor who is ultimately performing the “murder” since without the doctor’s help, the woman probably wouldn’t be able to do it herself. &lt;/i&gt;

However, the woman would be soliciting murder in this case, and that&#039;s a crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Nowhere in the examples Oliver cites does it ever state throwing a woman in jail for having an abortion.</i></p>
<p>Granted, but here&#8217;s the question. Why? If abortion were illegal, wouldn&#8217;t a woman having an abortion be breaking the law?</p>
<p><i>But this just makes their arguments a shambles. They’re saying abortion is murder, and that means it’s premediated, first degree murder, but they don’t want the person who commits the “murder”, who hires the people who do the “murder”, to receive any punishment. And of course these same people often support capital punishment for murder, except in this one case. Obviously they do this because it’s not politically palatable to do what their values, if applied honestly, demand.</i></p>
<p>THANK YOU!</p>
<p><i> I think they would say that it’s the doctor who is ultimately performing the “murder” since without the doctor’s help, the woman probably wouldn’t be able to do it herself. </i></p>
<p>However, the woman would be soliciting murder in this case, and that&#8217;s a crime.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And here we go. Classic Fafaroo with his classic strawman arguments.&quot;

Whatever you say, Jay. How about this: 

&lt;b&gt;So no one on this ticket is advocating that women who get abortions should be jailed. What this ticket is advocating is that abortion should be illegal&lt;/b&gt; which would, of course, drive abortion underground increasing the likelihood that the procedures will be unsafe and unsound. So the right isn’t advocating that women be jailed. They’re just advocating policies that would put the lives of vulnerable women at serious medical risk.

Women certainly have nothing to fear from Palin, McCain and the right.

Feel better now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And here we go. Classic Fafaroo with his classic strawman arguments.&#8221;</p>
<p>Whatever you say, Jay. How about this: </p>
<p><b>So no one on this ticket is advocating that women who get abortions should be jailed. What this ticket is advocating is that abortion should be illegal</b> which would, of course, drive abortion underground increasing the likelihood that the procedures will be unsafe and unsound. So the right isn’t advocating that women be jailed. They’re just advocating policies that would put the lives of vulnerable women at serious medical risk.</p>
<p>Women certainly have nothing to fear from Palin, McCain and the right.</p>
<p>Feel better now?</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115243</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and Oliver should appreciate this discussion, because it gets him off the hook for being caught putting words in other people&#039;s mouths, and then condemning them for what they never said...

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and Oliver should appreciate this discussion, because it gets him off the hook for being caught putting words in other people&#8217;s mouths, and then condemning them for what they never said&#8230;</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115242</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rotter, in 2006 Planned Parenthood performed almost 300,000 abortions (289,650) and took in $112 million more than it spent -- so there&#039;s a pretty good financial incentive, if you&#039;re looking for one.

Here&#039;s my question, though: At what point does the fetus become &quot;human enough&quot; to qualify for human rights, such as the right to not be killed, and when do those rights supersede the mother&#039;s right to destroy that fetus?

Yes, I&#039;m specifically saying &quot;destroy the fetus.&quot; As proven in the &quot;born alive&quot; law Obama fought in Illinois, simply removing the fetus from the mother (ending her pregnancy) is not sufficient; the fetus must die as well. Under the law Obama championed, fetuses that somehow survive the abortion process are to be left alone, untreated, to eventually die. 

We already have a working definition of life and death -- brain activity, of a certain level. Why not apply that to the beginning of life, as well as the end?

Oh, and folks here have already touched upon my question for the pro-life crowd that they don&#039;t wanna think about -- &quot;if you could make abortion illegal, what would be the penalties, and who would you punish?&quot; They like talking about THAT about as much as you want to craft a definition of &quot;life&quot; and weighing just when it applies.

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rotter, in 2006 Planned Parenthood performed almost 300,000 abortions (289,650) and took in $112 million more than it spent &#8212; so there&#8217;s a pretty good financial incentive, if you&#8217;re looking for one.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s my question, though: At what point does the fetus become &#8220;human enough&#8221; to qualify for human rights, such as the right to not be killed, and when do those rights supersede the mother&#8217;s right to destroy that fetus?</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m specifically saying &#8220;destroy the fetus.&#8221; As proven in the &#8220;born alive&#8221; law Obama fought in Illinois, simply removing the fetus from the mother (ending her pregnancy) is not sufficient; the fetus must die as well. Under the law Obama championed, fetuses that somehow survive the abortion process are to be left alone, untreated, to eventually die. </p>
<p>We already have a working definition of life and death &#8212; brain activity, of a certain level. Why not apply that to the beginning of life, as well as the end?</p>
<p>Oh, and folks here have already touched upon my question for the pro-life crowd that they don&#8217;t wanna think about &#8212; &#8220;if you could make abortion illegal, what would be the penalties, and who would you punish?&#8221; They like talking about THAT about as much as you want to craft a definition of &#8220;life&#8221; and weighing just when it applies.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel rotter</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/14/dont-they-have-the-google-at-con-magazines/#comment-115239</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel rotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 23:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Doctors profit from performing abortions&quot;.

That&#039;s a pretty weak argument for only criminally punishing doctors who perform abortions, but not the women who have them; using that same logic, if two people rob a bank and (for whatever reason) one of the robbers lets the other one keep all the loot, the former individual shouldn&#039;t go to jail for helping to rob the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Doctors profit from performing abortions&#8221;.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a pretty weak argument for only criminally punishing doctors who perform abortions, but not the women who have them; using that same logic, if two people rob a bank and (for whatever reason) one of the robbers lets the other one keep all the loot, the former individual shouldn&#8217;t go to jail for helping to rob the bank.</p>
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