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The first one I’m a little lukewarm about. I think it makes some good points in the end, but the beginning seems shallow.
Then again, shallow seems to work.
On the other hand, I really like the second one. And combined they work better.
McCain = More of the Same.
Obama = The Change We Need.
Those are the two points that need to be made over and over again.
The word is out : If Obama doesn’t get specific pretty soon, e.g., “Here’s what a tax break will mean for you, Mr and Mrs American Middle Class,” he will be in for an unpleasant surprise on Nov 5.
“Change for change’s sake” is not a rallying cry for an undecided , middle – of – the – road voter.
Hell, my balls hadn’t even dropped in 1982; John McCain has been in WHARSHington long enough to have done some fucking change if that was his gig. (And is it just me, but did he look like even more of a psycho back then, with the Crazy Hair and the giant glasses? Dude looks like the guy that jumps out of the alley between the Piggly-Wiggly and the Rexal Drugs here in town and shouts “BOOO MUTHAFUCKAH!!!” on every other Tuesday.) Nineteen eighty-two sounds like a long time ago when you look at it through the lens of this ad, I thought it was very effective.
If Obama doesn’t get specific pretty soon
Sen. Obama has been specific for almost a year now.
I am not talking about spending all day analyzing his website , blog and Forum :: Joe Six Pack don’t play dat …
His ads, and his sound bites, better start mentioning D-O-L-L-A-R-S ..
The 1982 ad is stupid. Who cares if McCain can’t send an email. What President would send them anyway, thus making them discoverable?
The second ad is much more effective, but I agree with Frank. The concepts spurring this “change” are discussed too generally and too broadly. Change has to be more than simply a reallocation of taxes.
I love the first ad: “John McCain has been in Washington for a long time … almost as long as Joe Biden!”
As for the second ad, he’s really keen on “Bringing the country together” … unless you work for a bank or an oil company or the healthcare industry or any decent-sized corporation. Cause those folks are pure evil and must be destroyed. You know, so all 12 people remaining can come together!
There is nothing the right would prefer than a droning ad about Sen. Obama’s policy proposals. Where’s John McCain’s ad about his detailed tax proposal to give tax breaks to ExxonMobil?
His ads, and his sound bites, better start mentioning D-O-L-L-A-R-S ..
Following Mr. McCain’s example?
Oh, wait…
The concepts spurring this “change” are discussed too generally and too broadly. Change has to be more than simply a reallocation of taxes.
See you at the debates, bitches!
Maybe one candidate needs different advice from the other ?
Imagine Obama is leading you out of a burning building, and you are walking down stairs through smoke … Sooner or later, you will ask, “What floor are we on?” “How long til we get out?”
What difference does it make, Frank? You wouldn’t believe him in any case.
Obama has been specific and clear from the start. It’s not his fault if folks don’t listen or hear something COMPLETELY different than what he’s been saying for over a year.
Sooner or later, you will ask, “What floor are we on?” “How long til we get out?”
Isn’t it more important to you to get out? In the heat of the moment (no pun intended), I wouldn’t care that much about my relative position.
Duros is right: Obama has been clear as day.
*How to pay for Universal Health Care? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
*How to pay for Increased Education? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
*How to strengthen Social Security & Medicare? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
* How to pay for his Energy Plan? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
*How to pay for his middle class tax cut? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
*How to pay for his National Service Plan? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
*How to pay for increased job traning and unemployment benefits? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
*How to pay for another economic stimulus package? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
Of course, Obama can only repeal the tax cuts once … or can he? And there’s a bonus:
*How to stave off a recession? DON’T Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
See? Crystal Clear!
And the McCain Plan?
Keep the Bush tax cuts, and borrow the money from China!
Drill for oil offshore, so that every time there’s a stiff breeze over water ANYWHERE, the price of oil will go up! (There are lines at certain gas stations today in Raleigh, NC, because those gas stations haven’t jacked up the price by 30 cents/gal yet).
Pay for war with Iran, and, hell, why not Russia too, with borrowed money! Don’t worry, those gooks will ALWAYS lend to us, because the fundamentals of our economy are strong and you’re a pussy if you say different!
Logic? Arithmetic? I didn’t learn those things while I was raising hell and chasing tail at Annapolis, and I guess I never will!
the first one starts a little cutesy but makes its point well. the second one plays to obama’s strength, which is that the guy is a good retail politician who connects with people when he can address them directly. and i guess it’s creditable that he isn’t being a dirty liar like mccain and his team of karl rove proteges and karl rove wanna-bes. it’s funny that that’s where we are in american politics: ambiguity about our candidate playing fair because the other side is so appallingly dirty. jeez.
“I love the first ad: ‘John McCain has been in Washington for a long time … almost as long as Joe Biden!’”
I thought comparing the Presidential nominee to the Vice Presidential nominee was bad.
CSS: McCain = More of the Same.
Obama = The Change We Need.
Those are the two points that need to be made over and over again.
Third point that needs to be made equally as often: McCain is lying.
SaveFarris: *How to pay for Universal Health Care? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
*How to pay for Increased Education? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
*How to strengthen Social Security & Medicare? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
* How to pay for his Energy Plan? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
*How to pay for his middle class tax cut? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
*How to pay for his National Service Plan? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
*How to pay for increased job traning and unemployment benefits? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
*How to pay for another economic stimulus package? Repeal the Bush Tax Cuts.
Good for you, Farris. You finally see how monumentally bad the Bush tax cuts were and how many problems they caused.
You’re learning!
Just to get a little ‘more specific’ about just how bad is the increasing deficit and public debt, as of April 2008, the People’s Republic of China owns about a half trillion of it, 90 billion less than our good friends the Japanese. The oil exporting nations own about 154 billion. China and the oil exporters together own about a quarter of the debt.
But hey… tax cuts!
Imagine Obama is leading you out of a burning building, and you are walking down stairs through smoke … Sooner or later…
…the McCain team would run an ad claiming, “Barack Obama set that fire and wants you to die!
In this case the burning building is America and the arsonist is Bush-McCain.
The first one sucks.
“Obama is a babykilling muslim terrorist who wants to raise your taxes and teach your four year old how to have sex.”
“Oh yeah, well McCain can’t send email.”
Jeez, Louise.
OK, Example # 2
Obama: It’s time for a change !
Joe Six Pack : From what to what?
You can kid around, and slam the VP candidate , but if you don’t make the Obamassiah relevant to the average guy , then Obama will be joining the likes of Dukakis and Mondale , McGovern, Kerry and Gore , and they HAD specifics …
But you guys are too entranced by the music to notice you are being led out of town…
Obama will not win like this …
Right Frank. You’re the one with your finger on the pulse of average America. You’re the one with all the insight. You’re the one that can really see what’s going on here.
You’re such an arrogant blowhard.
For the record, Obama has talked about what we would be changing from. Bush has failed mightily, and Obama has rightly called him on it and pointed to McCain as a continuance of Republican failure. With Obama I feel like we’ll have a return to reason in this country. That alone is worth my vote.
There are hardly any folks commenting on this blog – certainly not the liberals – who give any indication of even a nodding acquaintance with Joe Six Pack.
Certainly none of you (the liberals) have any insight into Republicans, much less conservatives or conservatism.
If I don’t have my “finger on the pulse of average America” , you liberals are not even in sight of their wrist. And when you do take a pulse of any kind, it is with your thumb (i.e., you are feeling your own pulse) .
As for a “return to reason” , more people have died , or lived in misery, in the Realm of Reason, then ever did in the Realm of Faith.
I predict that, as things stand now , Obama will lose this election.
I have chosen my words carefully: McCain / Palin will not “win” ; Obama will lose this election.
If, by some strange quirk of fate , Obama does not lose , then I predict the following: The faces of of the liberal advisers who surround him in the White House, will be of a slightly darker hue than the faces of other Democrats’ liberal advisers of the past.
If you consider that “significant change”, te salute
“There are hardly any folks commenting on this blog – certainly not the liberals – who give any indication of even a nodding acquaintance with Joe Six Pack.”
I beg your pardon? Both I and my wife work at jobs that don’t require a college degree during the week. On weekends, we both work part-time jobs to make ends meet. I am a proud liberal, but interact at work with legions of dittoheads. Don’t tell me I don’t know Joe Six Pack. I AM Joe Six Pack, asshole.
Your tired 1980s conservative dogma GOT us average Joes to this point in history – the point where we are gettind pissed on, oops, I mean trickled down upon, faster than we can dry off. “Arrogant blowhard” doesn’t begin to describe you, Frank.
I’m still waiting for the ad that chronicles McCain’s transfomation from a maverick with his own views on torture, upper-class tax breaks, etc. to a Bush clone and then a lover of fundamentalists. (Called “The Sell-out” or “Anything to Win”?) Talk about damning facts. The only trouble would be fitting it into 30 seconds, but could be done.
Second ad: All right, it’s a minor point, but this is a visual medium. Obama is one of the most photogenic pols around. Note to cinematographer/videographer: lighting and camera position is important! (McCain’s camp knows this–that’s why he’s photographed always from the right) Obama can look handsome, he can also look worn and skinny, depending on what you do with your options. Use some skill, for crying out loud! Slightly higher source of light, slightly elevated camera angle. Obama looks better in McCain’s ads than he does here.
And another thing. Your crack about a “slightly darker hue” reveals the real reason for your discomfort with an Obama administration. What a tool.
Pull out that Race Card — roll it into a cylinder — and shove it up your a**
I said that the liberals would include some non white faces — there won’t be ?
As for not voting for Obama because he is black …
I have many reasons not to vote for him…
If I wanted to ADD black to the list, I would have to call him a Kenyan — he’s not an Afro – American to me …
All I meant was that there would be a change ONLY in the color of their skin… Big deal!
You, my friend, are the brother that’s being played, not I …
There are hardly any folks commenting on this blog – certainly not the liberals – who give any indication of even a nodding acquaintance with Joe Six Pack.
Certainly none of you (the liberals) have any insight into Republicans, much less conservatives or conservatism.
If I might echo Bruce, my hometown of 6,000 (where I spent approximately two decades) went about 85% for President Bush in 2004. Major weekend activity choices (at least within 60 miles in either direction) included four-wheeling, fishing, hunting, skiing for those who could afford it, and getting drunk and going swimming at the river.
Watch your sweeping generalizations, Frank. You’re smart enough to know that the “liberal=elitist” one is a complete fabrication.
“…and getting drunk and going swimming at the river.”
Or as it was known in my small town, Darwinism in Action.
The town I grew up in was so small, we didn’t even have a mayor.
“If I wanted to ADD black to the list, I would have to call him a Kenyan — he’s not an Afro – American to me …”
Frank, you are as bigoted as always.
And remember this Frank, the people you are voting for think you are a sick fuck who will burn in hell forever. Maybe you shouldn’t be so intolerant to others.
“If I wanted to ADD black to the list, I would have to call him a Kenyan — he’s not an Afro – American to me …”
Why not, Frank? His mom was American. His dad was African.
Thus.
Just say it. “I’m uncomfortable voting for the black guy.” You’ll feel better and we won’t have to tiptoe around the subject, we’ll know where you stand.
I like the second ad because it’s simple and to the point. The first vid is about some asshole in glasses, mired in the Reagan years. Fuck that.
I am not uncomfortable voting for the black guy…
I was a conservative before he was born, I think …
I wouldn’t vote for someone as liberal as he is if he were white, French looking, and served in Vietnam
I wouldn’t vote for someone as liberal as he is if he were white, spoke with a southern accent , and flunked out of Divinity School.
I wouldn’t vote for someone as liberal as he is if were white, and a peanut farmer from Georgia — and I love Georgia.
So, don’t start with “Frank’s a racist” bullshit, or I’ll get my Puerto Rican ex-wife (of 18 years) to come and kick your a**.
What, are you getting the mantra ready for his inevitable defeat — “He lost because America wasn’t ready for a black President”?
If Condoleezza Rice were running for President, I’d go to Chicago, so I could vote for her six times !
If it were Walter Williams, or Thomas Sowell, I’d be out there nailing posters to telephone poles .
I can’t help it if the “Feel Good Presidential Candidate of 2008″ isn’t gonna make it, because there’s no there there …
Next time , nominate Harold Ford or somebody that isn’t “trying to find himself” in the White House , but is actually prepared to go there.
NOW you know where I stand , lightweights!
And I care what you claim to have done, or claim to be … I read what you type .
Thomas Sowell described it perfectly:
And that, as they, is that.
That should read, “And I don’t care what you claim to have done, or claim to be … I read what you type .
I can’t help it if the “Feel Good Presidential Candidate of 2008″ isn’t gonna make it, because there’s no there there …
Well, I’ve read his book, and I’ve read his positions on the issues that face our nation, and I respectfully disagree with you on that, Frank.
Obama is a pragmatist and a patriot. He knows the Constitution back and forth, and, for the first time in my voting life, I can say that I trust him. Yes, he’s inexperienced with the machine that is D.C., and I don’t see that as a bad thing.
I’ve done my research on both candidates, and if you really want to get into the “no there there”, look no further than johnmccain.com.
I t isn’t about feeling good, Frank. It’s about what is best for ALL Americans. And how we can get out of this hole we’ve been in for the last 7 plus years.
And , BTW, calling me a racist and / or a bigot raises a kind of Godwin’s Law flag for me .
My participation in this thread is over .
Don’t go away mad, Frank. Just go away.
If you’ve been a conservative since before Obama was born, all I can say is, you never learn.
Since 1980, we’ve had exactly two years of a Democratic President who got a chance to work with a Democratic Congress. The other 26 have been under a Republican president, or Congress, or both at the same disastrous time. Conservatives obviously are unable to accept responsibility for their own failures.
If you have been a conservative since 1960, you must have endorsed the conservative positions of the time. You know, like being anti-integration, against equal rights for women, for the war in Vietnam, anti-gay, against choice for women, et cetera. Like I said, a tool.
“If I wanted to ADD black to the list, I would have to call him a Kenyan — he’s not an Afro – American to me …” by Frank DiSalle
Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, and the last time I looked at the world map Hawaii is nowhere near Kenya or even in Africa. Isn’t it one of the states of America.
This just shows the poster Frank up as an ignorant voter. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, it just means if voters like this have sway then America will have more of the same; sub-prime, credit crunch, financial bail-outs, i.e. the worst state the ‘US economy has been in since the 30′s and this guy can’t understand who set the fire, what he is running from and change from what? It’s a no brainer.
Also, Frank can’t seem to go past the word ‘change’ without going into spasam’s and miss what Obama has to say in more detail.
I’m afraid this guy has made his mind up and no amount of reason and logic will remove the ignorance.
To know Mr. Di Salle is definately not to love him. Seeing that his comments cover over 17,000 sites, one can come to the conclusion that he is an old, lonely, pathetic, racist, anti feminist, conservative, masochistic, passive aggressive, lying, cowardly neanderthal.
He wears out his welcome whereever he goes and doesn’t know when to leave when he is not wanted. Yet, he plays the “what did I do” and “woe is me” games in order to gain sympathy from the weak and meek.
Mr. DiSalle looks for confrontation and when he finds it, what is the best that he can do but send his Puerto Rican ex wife of 18 yrs to kick someone’s a**. What a man!!!!