While Palin was leading a government that charged victims for rape kits and while the police chief she appointed was whining to the press because the Alaska state legislature was debating a bill to make them stop this barbaric practice, Barack Obama cosponsored the Illinois legislation, the Illinois Crime Victim’s Compensation Act:

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920HB1814.html

Wolves are hunted to keep them from decimating the moose calf population in certain designated areas of Alaska.

Hunting can involve getting food, skill involved in tracking the animal, or limiting numbers so the population remains in control because there aren’t any other population controls for the species.

Slaughter is pointlessly shooting animals from the air DESPITE THE FACT that the scientists said it was not a needed measure to control the wolf population. No ecological purpose, no skill required, and there are better animals available for food – therefore not hunting.

Neither did Obama. But don’t let reality keep you from continuing to avoid even them minute mental effort needed to understand that.

Again, that’s I-D-I-O-C-Y, JWG.

You spell that H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-C-Y

If you see evidence that I support it as an attack as long as it’s used against a republican then you are making up evidence.

My comment: “So, is making victims pay for rape kits a bad thing or not, JWG? Or it only a bad thing if it happens in Illinois?”

Where in that do you begin to get that I believe it’s only a bad thing if it happens in Alaska?

What you’re doing there? You spell that I-D-I-O-C-Y.

IMO, abortion is a terrible thing. But by making it illegal, you still have, lo and behold, more abortions. What to do? Well, if you’re a Republican, you inject race into the issue and scream “ZOMG BLACK WELLFARE MOMMIES AND BABIES!” Sarah Palin’s daughter? She somehow gets a free pass from the right.

Obama’s plan, in line with Bill Clinton’s, under whom teenage pregnancy started _dropping_ significantly during the 90’s? Given teens some information that allows them to make choices. If they’re going to be sexually active like Bristol Palin, given them access to contraceptives, or at least some information about how to use them properly (you’d probably need a lesson yourself JWG, being a virgin and all, so email me if you need to know anything).

You really think trying to frame Obama’s sane, compassionate stance on dealing with teenage pregnancy as “hating babies” will work on anyone other than your fellow lunatic-fringer wingnuts? It bothers me a great deal since, although you guys lie all the time about everything, this is an issue that directly impacts people’s lives for better or worse. Men can knock up women with relative impunity (as they often do), but women are left to do all the difficult work of having and raising a baby. The truly Christian, compassionate thing to do is to make sure pregnancies only occur when planned for, simple as that.

Obama was obviously saying…

Wow — it was pretty obvious I wasn’t responding to an accusation by Obama but from a comment made in this thread. But thanks for playing.

But if you want to bring Obama into my comments, then…

As far as being called “sick”, at least I didn’t vote against saving a child born alive from being legally killed. That’s not sick at all. That’s just what you leftists would call a sane and sensible position. Just don’t hurt the wolves!

This is basic, entry-level logic we’re talking about here, and it obviously offends your tiny little lizard-brain so much that you’re trying to spin it into “hate for babies.”

When a teen mom in the ghetto gets pregnant you’d call her a “wellfare mommy.” When Obama says we can start to address the issue through some sane policy you smear him as a monster.

Sorry, but you’re a sick fuck.

On one hand, you have a budget for the town of Wasilla, AK, signed off by former mayor, now-Gov. Palin. That budget seems to have changed the town’s policy.

On the other hand, you have a victim’s rights advocate who has heard from an unknown number of health workers in Illinois who say rape victims are being charged for evidence gathering exams.

There are a few questions that any mildly curious person would ask here. Of course, if your intent is to obfuscate, the questions are best left unasked.

Or it only a bad thing if it happens in Illinois?

Since it was specifically brought up as a bad thing while Palin was governor, it seemed only fair to bring up evidence that it is also has been occurring while Obama has been a senator (and under the democratic governor of Illinois).

If it’s a mark against Palin, then it’s a mark against Obama as well. Why does it need to be used as a political attack? Evidently, you support it as an attack as long as it is used against a republican but criticize me when I provide evidence that it also occurs under your messiah’s reign.

You spell that H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-C-Y

Is he not voting at all, or just not voting in the presidential race?

Mind you, I won’t miss McCain not getting his vote, but simply “not voting” is something to be ashamed of. There will be plenty of other elections and issues on this November’s ballot. Certainly there are some of those that he can make his voice heard on.

And even in the presidential race, if he doesn’t want to vote for either McCain or Obama, he should vote for someone he does want. There may well be someone in the non-major parties who appeals to him, or he can write someone in is he would have favored Romney or Clinton or Paul or whoever.

I have seen far too many people struggle and fight for their rights to vote to ever understand why someone would willingly opt out.

Anyway, they said shooting animals from a low flying plane just for the sake of killing them (for sport rather than food) is sick and demented. I mention this because I believe that some people will try to sell this “sport” as a “cultural thing” (something city folk wouldn’t understand). It seems that good ol’ boys don’t get it either.

p.s. I also want to mention that my Montana sister is voting Obama in November. My bro-in-law leans Republican, but isn’t voting.

Deal with the original issue or shut the fuck up.

“I’ve got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old. I’m going to teach them first of all about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I’ll treat their unintended pregnancy as a blessing. They will be beautiful and unique snowflakes, nevermind that teenage pregancies among minorities are consitently derided, mocked and stigmatized. But I don’t want them punished with an STD at the age of 16.”

There. Fixed for all of wingtardia to agree with.

Okay. I’m going to have to dumb this down for you.

There are men out there who are turned on by having women pop their testicles. I have never had this done to me, but I have to assume it is as painful as it sounds.

The right wants to punish women who have sex by forcing them to have a kid if they get pregnant.

What does the one have to do with the other?

It is not the act that’s the punishment, it is being forced to do something you don’t want to do.

Got it?

Sure looks like he is. But then maybe he doesn’t mean all babies just the “accidental” ones resulting from irresponsible or mistaken. So at minimum, he is saying that in some circumstances, having a baby is a punishment. Nothing dense there.

Also, I’d argue that having a child when you didn’t want it is probably worse than herpes. Certainly more of a commitment.

mccann, shut up: http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=when_barack_voted_no