As the resident animal on OliverWillis.com, I’ll let CK The Weiner Dog Of Infinite Justice comment on this ad.
CK: Defenders of Wildlife nails Sarah Palin as the sicko she is. Watch this ad.
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September 12th, 2008
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This ad makes me sick. There is something totally wacko about Palin. Anyone who would have the attitude about animals that she has is plain nuts.
I hope more groups put out ads like this. Keep going. This ad is the TRUTH for those of you who try to say it isn’t, there is nothing not true in it. Palin SUED the US GOVT (the one she wants to represent) to try to get the polar bear of the endangered species list. SHE IS WACKO as far to the right as they come.
PLEASE PEOPLE do not vote for people just because you think you can “relate” to them, or that they are “like you” or that they are conservative like you. You are doing a huge disservice to our country when you do that. This woman is not fit to represent the US. A president or VP should be able to relate to ALL people in America, to represent ALL OF OUR interests, not just a small group of people. She can’t do that, it is obvious.
“Do we really want a vice president that champions such savagery?”
No, we just want a President that believes in allowing babies that live after a botched abortion to just be allowed to die.
Yes, please let us know about your views on the killing of unborn children.
You all cannot possibly be this stupid.
More of this please.
Also want to see an ad talking about how when she was mayor, rape victims were asked to pay for their own rape evidence kits.
Wow, so two wrongs make a right or a least cancel each other out? I’m pro-life and pro-gun. I grew up on a farm in Ohio and constantly went hunting. It never occured to us to go into the field and shoot the cows or hunt a deer from an airplane.
Just judge this on its merits. Is it ok to torment and kill a wolf from an airplane. Where is the sport in that?
I disagree, mambo. I think they can.
As if the average American cares about how Alaskan wolves are killed.
As they still are in Illinois.
I seem to recall a certain agent for “change” is a legislator from Illinois…If only I could remember his name…
Serial killers start with animals, so do serial liars
“You all cannot possibly be this stupid.”
Yes they can be.
Well, Obama has stated his belief that babies are a “punishment”.
“You all cannot possibly be this stupid.”
“Yes they can be.”
Yes they are.
Wow. Ick.
I could no longer eat meat with a clear conscience after reading Michael Pollan’s “The Omnivore’s Dilemma” and later “Animal Liberation,” a book Pollan references heavily. One of the central arguments of Animal Liberation goes like this – If cognitive function is the standard by which humans and some animals are deemed worthy of protection and some are deemed candidates for appalling industrial cruelty, why are cats protected but pigs not? If cognitive function is the standard, which should be protected – the human with severe mental impairments or the pig? Or the wolf, for that matter?
My answer to that question was both the human and the pig. Hunting and fishing is a different matter; I’ve got no argument (or at least relatively far less) with those folks. But this aerial hunting seems fairly grotesque.
Shorter Parthenon: Eat the handicapped. Save the pig.
Just kidding. Couldn’t resist.
“babies are a “punishment”.
From an unintended pregnancy.
Full quote:
“I’ve got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old. I’m going to teach them first of all about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at the age of 16.”
I seem to recall a certain agent for “change” is a legislator from Illinois…If only I could remember his name…
Barack Obama?
This sound familiar, asshole?
“According to the Sexual Assault Emergency Treatment Act, the Illinois Department of Public Aid will reimburse the costs of ER treatment if you do not have public aid or private medical insurance.”
JWG:As they still are in Illinois.
I seem to recall a certain agent for “change” is a legislator from Illinois…If only I could remember his name…
So, is making victims pay for rape kits a bad thing or not, JWG?
Or it only a bad thing if it happens in Illinois?
When presented with something your candidate does worng you can
a) be a reasonable adult and acknowledge it (”Yeah, I like 99% of what they do, but wish they hadn’t done that.”)
b) be an unthinking zealot and deny/defend it (”There is nothing wrong with that. They never do anything wrong.”)
c) be a whining child and insist the other side is worse (”Hey, your guy did the bad thing, too.”)
Why do those on the right almost always choose “C”?
Dave in SoCal: Well, Obama has stated his belief that babies are a “punishment”.
No, he has not. As anyone with a brain who actually reads his comments would know.
So how does this:
“I’ve got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old. I’m going to teach them first of all about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at the age of 16.” [My Bold].
not mean “babies are a punishment”? Not only is he saying that in such circumstance above that a baby would certainly be a punishment but also the equivalent of getting herpes.
Hedley: Not only is he saying that in such circumstance above that a baby would certainly be a punishment but also the equivalent of getting herpes.
Yes, I read the article Dave in SoCal linked to. Which is how I was able to see and understand what Obama was actually saying. Something Dave, and apparently you, are having difficulty doing.
Notice the part where it says “The exchange appeared to be prompted by Obama’s earlier comments that he does not favor abstinence-only education, but rather comprehensive sexual education that includes information on abstinence and birth control.”
It appears right before the paragraph you keep quoting, providing the context for the words you keep wanting to take out of context.
He is not saying “a baby is a punishment” as Dave would like to believe. He is saying that, if a child makes a mistake and has sex too early they should not also be forced to run the risk of pregnancy. That they should be provided with sufficient info so that, if they do end up having sex, they can be at least a bit responsible about it.
Are you suggesting that when anyone underage has sex, they should be forced to then take care of a baby? Neither is Obama.
Christ, Hedley… an unwanted pregnancy that couldn’t be terminated because of the abolition of abortion IS a fucking punishment for a teenage girl. An unwanted baby IS a punishment. Babies, in general, are NOT necessarily punishments. Context, people, context. For fuck’s sake, don’t be so dense.
Also, I’d argue that having a child when you didn’t want it is probably worse than herpes. Certainly more of a commitment.
mccann, shut up: http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?article=when_barack_voted_no
“He is not saying “a baby is a punishment””???
Sure looks like he is. But then maybe he doesn’t mean all babies just the “accidental” ones resulting from irresponsible or mistaken. So at minimum, he is saying that in some circumstances, having a baby is a punishment. Nothing dense there.
“not mean ‘babies are a punishment’? ”
Okay. I’m going to have to dumb this down for you.
There are men out there who are turned on by having women pop their testicles. I have never had this done to me, but I have to assume it is as painful as it sounds.
The right wants to punish women who have sex by forcing them to have a kid if they get pregnant.
What does the one have to do with the other?
It is not the act that’s the punishment, it is being forced to do something you don’t want to do.
Got it?
“not mean “babies are a punishment”? Not only is he saying that in such circumstance above that a baby would certainly be a punishment but also the equivalent of getting herpes.”
“I’ve got two daughters — 9 years old and 6 years old. I’m going to teach them first of all about values and morals, but if they make a mistake, I’ll treat their unintended pregnancy as a blessing. They will be beautiful and unique snowflakes, nevermind that teenage pregancies among minorities are consitently derided, mocked and stigmatized. But I don’t want them punished with an STD at the age of 16.”
There. Fixed for all of wingtardia to agree with.
Jesus fucking Christ, like you even give a fuck about abortion when you’re not voting, like it hs anything to do with Palin’s wolf killing, like you haven’t been dealing with issues by changing the subject for eight fucking years now…
Deal with the original issue or shut the fuck up.
So I asked my sister and her husband about their views on this issue, hoping to get the insight of hunters, thinking that I might be told that there is a good reason for such savagery. (Back ground: My sister and her husband live in Montana and hunt every year. My brother-in-law is very pro gun-rights and my sister skins the animals herself. They always eat what they kill.)
Anyway, they said shooting animals from a low flying plane just for the sake of killing them (for sport rather than food) is sick and demented. I mention this because I believe that some people will try to sell this “sport” as a “cultural thing” (something city folk wouldn’t understand). It seems that good ol’ boys don’t get it either.
p.s. I also want to mention that my Montana sister is voting Obama in November. My bro-in-law leans Republican, but isn’t voting.
P.S. I love you, “CK The Weiner Dog Of Infinite Justice”
Vanessa: My bro-in-law leans Republican, but isn’t voting.
Is he not voting at all, or just not voting in the presidential race?
Mind you, I won’t miss McCain not getting his vote, but simply “not voting” is something to be ashamed of. There will be plenty of other elections and issues on this November’s ballot. Certainly there are some of those that he can make his voice heard on.
And even in the presidential race, if he doesn’t want to vote for either McCain or Obama, he should vote for someone he does want. There may well be someone in the non-major parties who appeals to him, or he can write someone in is he would have favored Romney or Clinton or Paul or whoever.
I have seen far too many people struggle and fight for their rights to vote to ever understand why someone would willingly opt out.
Since it was specifically brought up as a bad thing while Palin was governor, it seemed only fair to bring up evidence that it is also has been occurring while Obama has been a senator (and under the democratic governor of Illinois).
If it’s a mark against Palin, then it’s a mark against Obama as well. Why does it need to be used as a political attack? Evidently, you support it as an attack as long as it is used against a republican but criticize me when I provide evidence that it also occurs under your messiah’s reign.
You spell that H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-C-Y
You’ve got the beginnings of a good rebuttal there, JWG. You haven’t quite brought it home yet, though.
On one hand, you have a budget for the town of Wasilla, AK, signed off by former mayor, now-Gov. Palin. That budget seems to have changed the town’s policy.
On the other hand, you have a victim’s rights advocate who has heard from an unknown number of health workers in Illinois who say rape victims are being charged for evidence gathering exams.
There are a few questions that any mildly curious person would ask here. Of course, if your intent is to obfuscate, the questions are best left unasked.
I eagerly await the “Palin hates rape victims” campaign!
Forcing a rape victim to carry the rapists child to term and forcing her to pay for the rape kit is consistent with Palin hating rape victims, yes.
JWG, unless you’ve ever been an unwed teen mother, you really need to shut the fuck up. Obama was obviously saying that if kids don’t know anything about sexual biology, there’s a greater chance of them getting into trouble.
This is basic, entry-level logic we’re talking about here, and it obviously offends your tiny little lizard-brain so much that you’re trying to spin it into “hate for babies.”
When a teen mom in the ghetto gets pregnant you’d call her a “wellfare mommy.” When Obama says we can start to address the issue through some sane policy you smear him as a monster.
Sorry, but you’re a sick fuck.
Wow — it was pretty obvious I wasn’t responding to an accusation by Obama but from a comment made in this thread. But thanks for playing.
But if you want to bring Obama into my comments, then…
As far as being called “sick”, at least I didn’t vote against saving a child born alive from being legally killed. That’s not sick at all. That’s just what you leftists would call a sane and sensible position. Just don’t hurt the wolves!
JWG, your mom called from upstairs. She says your lunch is ready. Go along now!
IMO, abortion is a terrible thing. But by making it illegal, you still have, lo and behold, more abortions. What to do? Well, if you’re a Republican, you inject race into the issue and scream “ZOMG BLACK WELLFARE MOMMIES AND BABIES!” Sarah Palin’s daughter? She somehow gets a free pass from the right.
Obama’s plan, in line with Bill Clinton’s, under whom teenage pregnancy started _dropping_ significantly during the 90’s? Given teens some information that allows them to make choices. If they’re going to be sexually active like Bristol Palin, given them access to contraceptives, or at least some information about how to use them properly (you’d probably need a lesson yourself JWG, being a virgin and all, so email me if you need to know anything).
You really think trying to frame Obama’s sane, compassionate stance on dealing with teenage pregnancy as “hating babies” will work on anyone other than your fellow lunatic-fringer wingnuts? It bothers me a great deal since, although you guys lie all the time about everything, this is an issue that directly impacts people’s lives for better or worse. Men can knock up women with relative impunity (as they often do), but women are left to do all the difficult work of having and raising a baby. The truly Christian, compassionate thing to do is to make sure pregnancies only occur when planned for, simple as that.
JWG: If it’s a mark against Palin, then it’s a mark against Obama as well. Why does it need to be used as a political attack? Evidently, you support it as an attack as long as it is used against a republican but criticize me when I provide evidence that it also occurs under your messiah’s reign.
You spell that H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-C-Y
If you see evidence that I support it as an attack as long as it’s used against a republican then you are making up evidence.
My comment: “So, is making victims pay for rape kits a bad thing or not, JWG? Or it only a bad thing if it happens in Illinois?”
Where in that do you begin to get that I believe it’s only a bad thing if it happens in Alaska?
What you’re doing there? You spell that I-D-I-O-C-Y.
JWG: As far as being called “sick”, at least I didn’t vote against saving a child born alive from being legally killed.
Neither did Obama. But don’t let reality keep you from continuing to avoid even them minute mental effort needed to understand that.
Again, that’s I-D-I-O-C-Y, JWG.
Hunting and slaughter are two different things.
Hunting can involve getting food, skill involved in tracking the animal, or limiting numbers so the population remains in control because there aren’t any other population controls for the species.
Slaughter is pointlessly shooting animals from the air DESPITE THE FACT that the scientists said it was not a needed measure to control the wolf population. No ecological purpose, no skill required, and there are better animals available for food – therefore not hunting.
You might want to read about the subsistence hunting of the Eskimo before posting this crap.
Wolves are hunted to keep them from decimating the moose calf population in certain designated areas of Alaska.
Illinois provides compensation for rape kits.
While Palin was leading a government that charged victims for rape kits and while the police chief she appointed was whining to the press because the Alaska state legislature was debating a bill to make them stop this barbaric practice, Barack Obama cosponsored the Illinois legislation, the Illinois Crime Victim’s Compensation Act:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/legisnet92/summary/920HB1814.html