Perhaps if she had done a Google before the interview she would have known the answer.
Granted, the Bush doctrine is bunk, but as someone running for the vice presidency I would guess someone should know what the heck it is. “Hockey mom” with “executive experience” or no.
Joe Biden is the vice presidential candidate, who, ya know, knows stuff.
The famous biologist T.H. Huxley once said, “the great tragedy of science — the slaying of a beautiful hypothesis by an ugly fact.” That “beautiful hypothesis” is the Bush Doctrine, which has governed our national security and foreign policies since 9/11.
It has three core principles. First, the best way to protect America is to strike an enemy with military force before it strikes us, while striking fear into the hearts of other potential adversaries. Second, because military might is our single most important tool, we should marginalize anything that could get in the way of using it — like allies and international organizations. Third, democratizing the greater Middle East is the path to long term security.
“Ugly facts” have demolished the “beautiful hypothesis” of the Bush Doctrine, on its own terms.
When the phone is ringing at 3 a.m. …
A cheap “gotcha” question! No one should expect a potential VP to know how the preceding administration ran foreign policy anstuff.
What really matters are larger truths! Bridge to Nowhere! Jet on Ebay! Lipstick! Pigs!
And besides, where does Joe Biden get off calling Gov. Palin “ugly”?
When the phone is ringing at 3 a.m. …
It’s Sarah Palin looking for answers to her midterm essay.
B-b-b-but she sold a jet on ebay and said thanks but no thanks and is right next to Russia! Leave Sarah aaa-loooooooooooooooone!
More of the same!!!!!
Oops. Maybe not so much.
What scares me the most about Sarah Palin is that is doesn’t bother her one whit that she is ignorant of crucial facts. I was squirming for her as Gibson asked his questions, and she was leaning forward in her chair, eyes bright, smile in place, and just jabbering away senselessly. I could have died when Gibson stopped her in the middle of her “flurry of words”. She missed the meaning of that one too. (Essentially, “You’re yammering, Sarah.)
And she eats moose burgers and has kids and is a hockey mom so stop it you filthy sexist **E*#*(*@
Even though Governor Palin has no damn clue what the Bush doctrine means, this woman is proud to have her son serve in Iraq as an infantryman in support of that doctrine. That says something really quite amazing about her.
OMG, c’mon! She can SEE Russia from Alaska! Want to bet this clip doesn’t make it to the BIG SHOW tomorrow night?
I hear the network is only running clips right now to see how
badly she is treated on some of her early answers.
They will most likely leave out the other questions she was
stumped on.
Does she think if she acts “fiesty” on her responses, boarderline
angry- that it will appear she really knows her answers?
Lost without the telepromter and Bush speechwriter, once again.
Yeah, it would’ve been easier to describe the Obama Doctrine: Declare defeat and run away.
JWG, do you pay taxes? Because I would really like you to start paying my share of the war on terror and the military-industrial complex.
ZOMG!!!!! Good one, JWG!!!
it would’ve been easier to describe the Obama Doctrine: Declare defeat and run away.
I see you’re ready to fight to the last drop of someone else’s blood, as long as we can keep borrowing the money from the Chinese and sending the bill to our kids. Good thing the rich people who own the defense companies got the tax break to go with the profits.
All that fighting and killing you want more of, the wading through the gore, the stench and the sound of dying people, the hatred of the people you have to move among, seeing a friend die in front of you, the lifetime of internal suffering that follows living in terror for a year or more…
Ever done any of that?
No, no, no, no, no . . .
She knows stuff. Ya know—like . . .
And she shoots wolves from planes, and sells planes on ebay and fires cooks,
and her brother-in-law was an ass anyway, and knowledge of oil can kinda be a foreign policy, and she didn’t ban books–only asked how she could, and she was pretty busy being governor and hadn’t been paying attention to the war.
And what does a VP do anyway?
Ah hell—I got nothing.
It really is a shame that she wants to ban the Harry Potter books because I think JK Rowling based the character of Delores Umbridge after her.
It really is a shame that she wants to ban the Harry Potter books
Except she doesn’t. Are you people really THIS ignorant?
Good grief.
Good one, Midder…but I’d say Palin has more than a bit of Bellatrix Lestrange in her as well. And one would hope that she will, politically, meet the same fate.
“Not my country…YOU B***H!!”
“Joe Biden is the vice presidential candidate, who, ya know, knows stuff”
He does know stuff. He now knows that paraplegics can’t stand up, and he knows that he is less qualified than Hill to be VP. He should also know that according to Oliver he IS A FARKING IDIOT!!!
“His presidential campaign is the Titanic. His idiot mouth has killed it.
UPDATE: The audio of Biden’s comments are out and they don’t change a thing. What he said was racist, offensive, and not representing any of the qualities of the Democratic party or America”
- Oliver Willis
She doesn’t BLINK. She didn’t know the Bush Doctrine but don’t worry folks – SHE DIDN’T BLINK.
She said she doesn’t blink. She didn’t blink when McCain asked her to serve his campaign. Five children including the 4 month old special needs child and she doesn’t blink. If she feels that there is no time to blink under pressure WILL SHE THINK.
Only person I know that does blink is James Bond, but he’s fictious. This ready routine of hers isn’t believable.
“reformerreformerreformerreformer”-Larry Kudlow and Glenn Beck tonight on the Stevensette
You are correct Jay. She only ASKED about the library’s policy on banning books. And when the librarian was appalled at the idea; Palin asked for her resignation because she wasn’t a ” team player.” Luckily, the town came to the librarian’s rescue.
And –no we aren’t ignorant–you are just cranky . . . .
Are you people really THIS ignorant?
No, but Sarah Palin is, and she proved it with Gibson tonight. And that’s AFTER two weeks of cramming with the best McCain spinmeisters.
Hurts, don’t it, Jay.
Palin asked for her resignation because she wasn’t a ” team player.
Except that Palin informed the librarian before she even assumed office that she was going to ask for her resignation (in addition to other appointed officials that work at the discretion of the Mayor) in part because she openly supported Palin’s opponent. That’s where there the ‘team player’ comment was derived. It had nothing to do with her refusal to ban books. After all, when she left in 1999, Palin could have banned all the books she wanted in her second term.
So yes, you are ignorant.
Sara–I mean Jay, is that you? It’s almost like you were—– there.
Wow–cranky, snarky and able to transport yourself into Sarah Palin’s world.
And it seems Sarah just can’t play well with others.
But you’re still my hero . . . .
I really want to see this interview uncut and unedited, one long take, and they don’t even have that on ABC. It’s all jumpy. I hate that it’s so hard to find a complete version of this kind of stuff.
So Jay, want to tell us what a great job Palin did in the interview?
No? Didn’t think so.
The shine is off this blossom. Time for Obama to go back on the attack and remind America that she’s a fringe creatonist lunatic with no experience. And she has no business even stepping on the lawn of the White House.
McCain really thought a 5-point convention bounce would last until November once journalists started doing their jobs and vetting her after the initial “ZOMG her kid plays hockey!”? LOL.
She was asked to answer a question about a “media created term” to vilify Bush’s foreign policy.
Talk about a trap.
Palin from the interview: “I’ve been so focused on state government, I haven’t really focused much on the war in Iraq.”
OMG. Epic lulz. Wow, I really wish I was back in America to see this live.
They let her go on national television and spout this idiocy? And I missed it! No wonder they hid her for two weeks.
Wow. Say what you will about Romney, but he isn’t this stupid.
And really, nothing says “Ready on Day One” quite like, “I’ve been so focused on state government, I haven’t really focused much on the war in Iraq.” Wow. Just wow.
Soft Toss Gibson: How do you feel about the much talked about Bush Doctrine, you know, the Bush Doctrine that’s been in all the papers for the past six years.
Our Sarah: {blink}. {blink blink}. {blink}.
One can’t help but wonder when her next interview will take place. On Fox News, obviously, but when. When do you suppose she’ll go on the Maddow Show?
Except that Palin informed the librarian before she even assumed office that she was going to ask for her resignation … because she openly supported Palin’s opponent.
So in a Palin administration even the goddam librarians have to show party loyalty.
As we’ve seen with Abu Gonzales’ justice department and the whole eight years of Bush, the Republican method of achieving bipartisan consensus is to get rid of everybody who disagrees with you.
That’s not change we can believe in, my friends.
The shine is off this blossom.
No, the lipstick is off this pig.
she comes across as a perfectly believeable pitbull hockey mum in the interview. the fact that she’s outclassed on issues doesn’t make her any less appealing to her constituents, who are fascinated with the idea that the VPOTUS could be ‘one of us’.
the more people point out she doesn’t really know what she’s talking about, the more the campaign will paint those views as elitist and insulting to everyday americans. mix this with an anti-media crusade which characterises valid quesitons as viscious attacks, and her ignorance becomes her biggest strength.
Let’s not forget about Mooselini’s tough talk about going to war with Russia. Given Alaska’s proximity to Russia, she’s a major league expertise in foreign policy!
It’s just what wingnuts really need, to attack a nation that can defend itself. Incontinence undergarments will fly off the store shelves.
So in a Palin administration even the goddam librarians have to show party loyalty.
Yes because we know that ONLY REPUBLICANS replace holdovers from other administrations with their own personnel. In any event, take your red herrings elsewhere. The whole “book banning” thing is another in a string of lies the left has told about Palin.
So Jay, want to tell us what a great job Palin did in the interview?
No? Didn’t think so.
I think she did pretty good. The very fact that the left is apoplectic about the interview is proof of that. She got through what everybody knew would be the toughest part of these interviews and unlike leftists such as yourself, “normal Americans” (to quote our host) aren’t going to having hissy fits about the Bush doctrine.
The shine is off this blossom. Time for Obama to go back on the attack and remind America that she’s a fringe creatonist lunatic with no experience. And she has no business even stepping on the lawn of the White House.
Fantastic! The left, along with a free ride from the media already tried that. What was the result? Oh right. EPIC FAIL. So please, keep it coming. If Barack Obama wants to make the election about Sarah Palin, then she and McCain will cruise to victory. The good news is, that’s apparently what they plan to do. Thanks David Axelrod. Thank you.
Let’s not forget about Mooselini’s tough talk about going to war with Russia.
Once again, a leftist distorts reality. If believe that’s what she said, then you’re not ignorant, you’re just dumb.
She kept saying, “I will not blink”… she was defensive and prickly. But sure that she was right all the time.
I can see John Stewart going with her statement about being able to see Russia from an island in Alaska. Like that qualifies her??? Oh, boy, he’s going to have fun with her!!!
grist son of grist, I agree with you about her getting much empathy, despite her lack of any. I am not too optimistic about Obama thwarting McCain…but he might just get a few bounces from the how scary Sarah is. With her at the trigger of the nuclear arsenal Russia will just be a trophy bear. My g/f, a fairly conventional woman, Catholic, teacher, really is creeped out about Sarah getting anywhere near the Presidency. First she was one of us…now, she’s a ‘bot for McCain. A cliche spouting robot. And the anger and steadfast God is on our side hooey is frightening. She seems more eager for war than McCain ever was. Maybe that’s the plan, McCain came across as much more mellow and bipartisan than Sarah tonight on CNN. He wants her to make him look good.
oh Jay,
“It really is a shame that she wants to ban the Harry Potter books
Except she doesn’t. Are you people really THIS ignorant?
Good grief.”
Still Millions of people esp in battleground states still think Obama is a secret Muslim. “Are you people really This ignorant?
Rove et al are doing their jobs well.
I must confess to ignorance of the bush doctrine myself…. but a VP candidate should have known!!!!!
Yes because we know that ONLY REPUBLICANS replace holdovers from other administrations with their own personnel.
Yes, because we know that librarians of towns of 6,000 people are the same as political appointees to the United States Department of Justice.
Seriously, everyone, what’s the deal with right-wingers consistently making these retarded analogies based on things that only they seem to perceive as similar? I’m amazed Jay hasn’t killed himself yet because he saw a gallon of milk and a gallon of bleach and figured, what the hell, they’re both white and the same size so they must be exactly the same thing. Gulp!
Jay, look, I understand you want 4 more years of persecuting gays, torturing, and killing for no good reason, but it’s not gonna happen. You were wrong in 2003, you were wrong in 2006, and you’re wrong today. What’s going to happen is that people will see John McCain’s name on the ballot, be confused as they thought they were voting for Palin, and leave without voting.
Jay–little boy, run along to bed . . .
Aren’t you a bit tired of throwing your blocks and puzzle pieces at all of us leftists?
And we are apoplectic! We really didn’t realize Palin was so damned stupid!
It scared everybody.
Ya gotta know when you start drooling and claiming delusional behavior of others
it’s time to take your little old troll self back underneath your Republican bridge.– And even though you are a McCain water carrier and seem to love
mediocrity . . . .
Well—you’re a McCain water carrier and seem to love mediocrity . . .
Good night!
One can’t help but wonder when her next interview will take place. On Fox News, obviously, but when. When do you suppose she’ll go on the Maddow Show?
Come on Ed??? The Maddow Show??? I will be amazed if that show lasts long enough to even cover election day. Palin fought back very well against Gibson’s questions. I would love to see someone take Obama to task and have him answer the questions directly. You know that if he is not on the teleprompter the “uhm…”’s and “ahh…”’s will take most of the time so Gibson will only be able to ask half the questions.
Jay, I’m not apoplectic. I’m laughing my goddamn ass off at her playing dress-up vice presidential candidate. And I’m really enjoying the fact that her free ride from the MSM is now offically over.
I really tried to look at this interview with a fresh eye and give her a chance to convince me. Maybe it’s just my previous biases, but I just couldn’t shake the impression that she’d been coached up – like Appalachian State hanging with LSU until the fourth quarter.
The subtext of every answer, to me, was “thrown in the game way too soon.” She’s probably got the charisma and (unearned) gravitas to be somebody the GOP can hang their hat on for about a decade, but man, she’s got some studying to do. She’s gotta find a way to make “Russia pushing Georgia around is unacceptable” not sound rehearsed in front of the mirror. Sen. Clinton can do it, so it’s definitely not a gender thing.
Or maybe she doesn’t need to do any studying. Thing is, none of this really matters for a hell of a lot of people, does it? Personality is rapidly, sadly, becoming paramount. The ‘have a beer with the candidate’ litmus test is making a comeback under a different name.
I really tried to look at this interview with a fresh eye and give her a chance to convince me. Maybe it’s just my previous biases, but I just couldn’t shake the impression that she’d been coached up – like Appalachian State hanging with LSU until the fourth quarter.
The subtext of every answer, to me, was “thrown in the game way too soon.” She’s probably got the charisma and (unearned) gravitas to be somebody the GOP can hang their hat on for about a decade, but man, she’s got some studying to do. She’s gotta find a way to make “Russia pushing Georgia around is unacceptable” not sound rehearsed in front of the mirror. Sen. Clinton can do it, so it’s definitely not a gender thing.
Or maybe she doesn’t need to do any studying. Thing is, none of this really matters for a hell of a lot of people, does it? Personality is rapidly, sadly, becoming paramount. The ‘have a beer with the candidate’ litmus test is making a comeback under a different name.
Banning books is like eating that first potato chip.
Damn, I can’t believe I ate the whole bag and I wasn’t even hungry.
And all the while your eyes are on Lays bag number 2.
(Apologies for double posting. I blame wordpress.)
After all of those years of passively absorbing the foreign policy expertise that comes from living right next to Russia I am positively alarmed at how shockingly bad her answers were. That is one confused pitbull … hide from media at all costs
In this fantasy world where you enjoy delusions of adequacy, where exactly is that Iraq-Pakistan border?
What do you think of Senator McCain’s favorite Beach Boys song? (bonus points for a few bars)
What is your position on blinking? (Gotta throw in at least one softball)
The Iraq-Pakistan border is what keeps Illinois from directly bordering Kentucky, shoving Kentucky south so it’s closer to Arkansas. Don’t take my word for it, ask Obama.
And Fun Fact: Palin’s discussion about book banning — in the abstract, possibly to get a “feel” for the librarian’s position on that issue (an old trick — ask a loaded question not to hear the answer, but to see how they handle the question) — happened right after Palin was first elected mayor, in 1996. The first Harry Potter book wasn’t published in England until Juse of 1997, and wasn’t eve released in the US until September of 1998.
So, I guess, this makes Palin either astonishingly prescient or midderpidge a filthy lying liar.
These are not mutually exclusive, of course. Both could be true.
J.
When are we going to look with some sobriety on the situation as presented?
We are talking about the library policies of a small-town mayor as proxies of what kind of VPOTUS said mayor would make. We are talking about whether said mayor was successful at regurgitating talking points about which she was ignorant two weeks ago. We are talking about marriage and proximity as indicative of whether said mayor is a qualified expert in foreign affairs and energy.
Folk, we’ve got real problems out there. You can’t just dumb your way out of the next eight years the way we’ve dumbed our way into the last eight. If somebody doesn’t take control of fiscal policy, we are going into a depression. If somebody doesn’t take control of foreign policy, we are going to find ourselves in even more destructive wars. This cannot continue; we’re broke.
Shorter Jay: Even I can’t spin Palin’s monumental disaster of an interview. Oh, but I’ll make up some stupid rhetorical shit anyways.
I should take three days to see if this interview will have an effect on the poll numbers. Those that support Palin because she opposes abortion even in the case of rape and incest won’t change. Those people are morons and the Democrats should not pay attention to them. (The Republicans never did, except to con them into voting for the right.)
However, independents and moderates will see her performance as clear evidence that she is not ready for higher office. It has nothing to do with experience, it has to do with ability.
Funny stuff. Palin was just like the pregnant police chief in “Fargo”, except without the warmth, charm, likeability, or intelligence.
Here, someone makes a joke about “banning Harry Potter books”, so instead of defending her lame performance, the trolls start talking about Wasilla in the 1990s. Forget about advocating war with Russia.
Her and whose army? Not so funny, really.
Do you think Joe Biden or Sarah Palin know what the Black-Scholes model is? Didn’t think so.
Just goes to show you that I can easily craft a question that embarrasses anyone. Even you.
I would have thought that before you criticized a standing governor you would have at least a working knowledge of the most important advance in economics and business in the last 3 decades and the subject of a Nobel prize. Maybe Charlie Gibson knows.
Has Sarah Palin ever rejected and repudiated the banning of Harry Potter? No? Hmmmmmm.
Book banning or no, I’m just tickled pink that Sarah thinks that the town librarian has to be in the same party as her.
I’d like to think that if I were mayor of some tiny town I wouldn’t give a rat’s ass if the town librarian was a republican, as long as s/he kept the books shelved in the right order. But you know what they say about power and how it corrupts…
I also think it’s great that not only couldn’t Sarah give a cogent definition of the Bush Doctrine, she’d obviously never heard the term before in her life (”Whaddya mean, Charlie, his worldview???”)
“worldview” Haw. Snort.
Watching C-SPAN this morning listening to the voices of America after the ABC Gibson Exclusive Interview of Sarah Palin. All I can say is …Pit Bull, drop the lipstick and run because its not just McCain’s madeup wolves after you now.
Parthenon, what game did you watch? 31-zip at half isn’t “hanging with” anyone.
“Book banning or no, I’m just tickled pink that Sarah thinks that the town librarian has to be in the same party as her.”
This struck me as odd as well. The librarian should be an apolitical job, firing her shows Palin likely suffers from the same, ‘Loyalty over competence flaw that has plague the Bush administration.
Of course :
These principles are sometimes referred to as the Bush Doctrine although the term is often used to describe other elements of Bush policy and is not universally recognized as the single concept.
Pisses you off that Gov Palin is not one of your regular readers, eh?
Farris – my mistake, should have prefaced that with ‘as if,’ as in a hypothetical world where that could happen.
The blowback from this — against Liberals and The Media™, whatever the fuck that means anymore — is going to be enormous. Palin hit it from the 3-point line last night as far as The Right is concerned, and Gibson will go down in flames for being dismissive and arrogant and condescending (on that last point, they’d be right). They need to release the entire tape — leak it to the internets, something — so we can see exactly how difficult some of these questions were. The hard jump-cut after the Iran question is especially frightening; why was that question so hard that it required a hard edit before she answered? Fucking unreal.
But seriously, she scored huge with the fucking morons that are going to vote this ticket. The only question is, how’d she fare with Independents and moderates that may still be undecided. Either way, the meme that says The Media™ is out to get Sarah Palin just got an enormous shot in the arm last night.
Also, Z_Audra nailed it. We’ve gone down the rabbit hole and the rest of the world must be absolutely shitting itself with The Panic. Can we hold some sort of séance to ressurrect the ghost of Tim Russert and have him haunt the living fuck out of Palin and the First Dude? Can we spin up an Edward R. Murrow poltergeist and have him get ugly on the ball-dropping media? Otherwise we’re quite simply fucked with our pants on.
I’ma quote this because it sums up the right in general.
Yeah, I had a mildly retarded uncle once that was mayor of Utica, Mississippi. He did a great job, despite having trouble writing his own name. Of course, back then you could just hang a black person if he got “uppity,” so it may have been easier to govern. But I wouldn’t have wanted him as VPOTUS. That guy was fucking insane.
Watch the video of Palin’s interview again, and really look at her face. There’s a slow-boiling rage trapped in that box head that I wouldn’t want to see vented on, oh, say another country or whatnot. It is absolutely and literally terrifying that this person could have The Launch Codes™.
The hard jump-cut after the Iran question is especially frightening; why was that question so hard that it required a hard edit before she answered? Fucking unreal.
You’re dealing with a party that sees “sitting for seven minutes reading The Pet Goat instead of taking action or at least trying to find a TV set” as a sign of strength and resolve.
Oh, right. I had forgotten that. Blotted it out, really. Erased it in order to remain sane. In the membrane.
Like I said earlier: 3-pointer, sheshootsshescooooores!
We didn’t cut and run from Vietnam. We declared victory and strategically redeployed the troops.
I hate to bring up so mundane as democracy but why won’t our government follow the will of the electorate?
BTW, the pregnant police chief in Fargo was smart, not trigger happy.
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Palin is a religious zealot. Every decision she would make as president would be put through that single overriding test. War in Iraq? It’s a task from God. God hates fags. God has given dominion over the earth to Man so fuck the polar bears.
Her overriding goal as president would be to give other zealots like herself dominion over this nation. Prayer in school, creation taught in the classroom, confrontation with the heathen nations, the constitution taking a back seat to the bible.
Obama is on tape criticising the bush doctrine in 2002 for those who might say Obama probably doesn’t know about the bush doctrine.
I’m deathly afraid that “middle America” is going to see her ignorance on, well, everything as a feature not a bug. Sarah Palin was a brilliant choice by McSame because it reignites the culture wars- not Christian versus non-Christians, not white versus black, but uneducated “regular people” from Red States against educated “elites” from the coasts. This is their rebellion against people who achieved too much and know too much. She will be seen as a regular Mom, not caught up in things like foreign policy and economic principles.
My wife is from “middle America” and when I go back there with her, her old friends from high school are threatened by her and my success and education. These are the people that flock to Palin- she doesn’t try to “put on airs” like going to a fancy college or talking about foreign policy.
The Bristol Palin pregnancy if anything endears them to Mrs. Palin. A good portion of my wife’s female classmates got knocked up in high school, many by “f—in rednecks”.
All of this reminds me of the Republican feedback loop:
1. Republicans slash education funds.
2. Students don’t get educated.
3. Students vote Republican.
4. Repeat.
All of this reminds me of the Republican feedback loop:
1. Republicans slash education funds.
2. Students don’t get educated.
3. Students vote Republican.
4. Repeat.
Reminds me of the first 10 minutes of Idiocracy.
well…..Johm McCain joke from his wild child days:
“You can lead a horse to water, but, you can’t make it drink
and
you can lead a *bleep to culture, but, you can’t make her think”
jk :p
Shoot, Guys, even here if B-F Oklahoma my husband and I (and we’re veterinarians for gosh sakes) BOTH instantly knew what Gibson meant by that question!
Bush Doctrine: Pre-emptive war.
Powell Doctrine: Overwhelming force, clear exit strategy, Pottery barn rule.
And I work outside all day long, I’m no policy wonk.
Now, McCainiacs, let me ask you this: Is she FOR or AGAINST the Bush doctrine? Because I’ve listened to her answer several times and I still can’t tell for sure whether she would push the button or not. Neither could some news outlets which reported both that she supported and did not support the Bush Doctrine once it was explained to her.
Maybe she was for it before she was against it.