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	<title>Comments on: Republican Recession Watch: Unemployment At Five Year High</title>
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		<title>By: datadave</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/05/republican-recession-watch-unemployment-at-five-year-high/#comment-113690</link>
		<dc:creator>datadave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is just the beginning according to insiders and experts. Our friend, an accounting professor here in NY, just gave his usual gloom and doom that matches insider blogs at Wall Street: Depression is coming. Buy Gold! 

Not sure if I agree...but when professionals are getting very anxious about the House of Cards that Finance has built. It&#039;s not pretty. He&#039;s saying gold at 3500 an ounce in two years, a new monitary system within two to four years, GM bankrupt within a year. Most financial powerhouses are bankrupt now...but due to a fail safe decree to not allow them to be sold short...the financial train wreak will be slow and unremitting no matter who&#039;s in the White House. (My argument is that a Democrat is the only partisan that can deal with the public with less harm...with McCain...it&#039;s only the Keatings of the USA that&#039;ll get the attention. ) The professor sees the dow going down to 5000 approx. He&#039;s been buying gold for some time now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just the beginning according to insiders and experts. Our friend, an accounting professor here in NY, just gave his usual gloom and doom that matches insider blogs at Wall Street: Depression is coming. Buy Gold! </p>
<p>Not sure if I agree&#8230;but when professionals are getting very anxious about the House of Cards that Finance has built. It&#8217;s not pretty. He&#8217;s saying gold at 3500 an ounce in two years, a new monitary system within two to four years, GM bankrupt within a year. Most financial powerhouses are bankrupt now&#8230;but due to a fail safe decree to not allow them to be sold short&#8230;the financial train wreak will be slow and unremitting no matter who&#8217;s in the White House. (My argument is that a Democrat is the only partisan that can deal with the public with less harm&#8230;with McCain&#8230;it&#8217;s only the Keatings of the USA that&#8217;ll get the attention. ) The professor sees the dow going down to 5000 approx. He&#8217;s been buying gold for some time now.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/05/republican-recession-watch-unemployment-at-five-year-high/#comment-113410</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 12:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If the jobs increase:
&#039;They are just minimum wage, dead end jobs!&#039;&quot;

You realize the average income for the middle class has gone down over the last 8 years, right? You are aware of that fact, correct? 

You are not just talking out of your ass, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the jobs increase:<br />
&#8216;They are just minimum wage, dead end jobs!&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>You realize the average income for the middle class has gone down over the last 8 years, right? You are aware of that fact, correct? </p>
<p>You are not just talking out of your ass, right?</p>
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		<title>By: PD100</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 01:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.gallup.com/poll/110065/Gallup-Daily-Obamas-Lead-Now-Points.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oh Noes!!!&lt;/a&gt; Where&#039;s the Palin (cough! McCain!) bounce?!!?!??

10 by October. Diebold be dammed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/110065/Gallup-Daily-Obamas-Lead-Now-Points.aspx" rel="nofollow">Oh Noes!!!</a> Where&#8217;s the Palin (cough! McCain!) bounce?!!?!??</p>
<p>10 by October. Diebold be dammed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PD100</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/05/republican-recession-watch-unemployment-at-five-year-high/#comment-113328</link>
		<dc:creator>PD100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 00:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guess a whole cornfield of straw men spouted since I last visited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guess a whole cornfield of straw men spouted since I last visited.</p>
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		<title>By: Lolsworth</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/05/republican-recession-watch-unemployment-at-five-year-high/#comment-113292</link>
		<dc:creator>Lolsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the onomatopœia for that noise you make when you flap your lips up and down with a finger? I&#039;ve always wondered how you&#039;d type that noise. Duh&#039;s last post is one way of doing it, but it seems a bit long winded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the onomatopœia for that noise you make when you flap your lips up and down with a finger? I&#8217;ve always wondered how you&#8217;d type that noise. Duh&#8217;s last post is one way of doing it, but it seems a bit long winded.</p>
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		<title>By: duh</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/05/republican-recession-watch-unemployment-at-five-year-high/#comment-113285</link>
		<dc:creator>duh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesn&#039;t really matter whether or not it goes up or down. The loony left Obamalytes have an argument either way.

If the jobs increase:

&quot;They are just minimum wage, dead end jobs!&quot;

And when they go down:

&quot;See, america is bleeding away the middle class!&quot;

In either case, the assertion are unsourced and unfounded.

The liberal desperation here is so prevalent that it is worthless to even try to refute what they are writing now.  They can&#039;t stay on one point long enough to argue it, they are off chasing another windmill of &quot;hidden&quot; files, or republican &quot;corruption&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesn&#8217;t really matter whether or not it goes up or down. The loony left Obamalytes have an argument either way.</p>
<p>If the jobs increase:</p>
<p>&#8220;They are just minimum wage, dead end jobs!&#8221;</p>
<p>And when they go down:</p>
<p>&#8220;See, america is bleeding away the middle class!&#8221;</p>
<p>In either case, the assertion are unsourced and unfounded.</p>
<p>The liberal desperation here is so prevalent that it is worthless to even try to refute what they are writing now.  They can&#8217;t stay on one point long enough to argue it, they are off chasing another windmill of &#8220;hidden&#8221; files, or republican &#8220;corruption&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/05/republican-recession-watch-unemployment-at-five-year-high/#comment-113268</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 21:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Clinton’s job growth was largely the dot com boom, which if you didn’t notice, went belly up the last year of his administration and continued into the Bush admin.

Don’t let facts get in the way of your bias though.&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s a good example of my point, mccann.

Even with the dot-com bust, job growth in absolute numbers never really faltered. The raw number of jobs fell back, at worst, a few hundred thousand in year over year comparisons. 

Job growth is an incomplete measure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Clinton’s job growth was largely the dot com boom, which if you didn’t notice, went belly up the last year of his administration and continued into the Bush admin.</p>
<p>Don’t let facts get in the way of your bias though.</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s a good example of my point, mccann.</p>
<p>Even with the dot-com bust, job growth in absolute numbers never really faltered. The raw number of jobs fell back, at worst, a few hundred thousand in year over year comparisons. </p>
<p>Job growth is an incomplete measure.</p>
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		<title>By: durablend</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/05/republican-recession-watch-unemployment-at-five-year-high/#comment-113263</link>
		<dc:creator>durablend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blah--nothing some community college and Ebay can&#039;t fix

Dick Cheney sez so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blah&#8211;nothing some community college and Ebay can&#8217;t fix</p>
<p>Dick Cheney sez so!</p>
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		<title>By: j mccann</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/05/republican-recession-watch-unemployment-at-five-year-high/#comment-113261</link>
		<dc:creator>j mccann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 20:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clinton&#039;s job growth was largely the dot com boom, which if you didn&#039;t notice, went belly up the last year of his administration and continued into the Bush admin.

Don&#039;t let facts get in the way of your bias though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clinton&#8217;s job growth was largely the dot com boom, which if you didn&#8217;t notice, went belly up the last year of his administration and continued into the Bush admin.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t let facts get in the way of your bias though.</p>
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		<title>By: PD100</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/05/republican-recession-watch-unemployment-at-five-year-high/#comment-113244</link>
		<dc:creator>PD100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I’m wondering why you never mention the 52 consecutive months of job growth.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Because that &quot;job growth&quot; does not exist.

Based on your assertion lets see here..

Ah, the unemployement rate 4 years and 4 months ago (April / 2004)
5.6 percent

Unemployement rate For August 2008 (thats this month, mccann)
6.1 Percent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I’m wondering why you never mention the 52 consecutive months of job growth.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Because that &#8220;job growth&#8221; does not exist.</p>
<p>Based on your assertion lets see here..</p>
<p>Ah, the unemployement rate 4 years and 4 months ago (April / 2004)<br />
5.6 percent</p>
<p>Unemployement rate For August 2008 (thats this month, mccann)<br />
6.1 Percent.</p>
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		<title>By: liberalrob</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/05/republican-recession-watch-unemployment-at-five-year-high/#comment-113243</link>
		<dc:creator>liberalrob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>592,000 new unemployed people, even less cause for worry!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>592,000 new unemployed people, even less cause for worry!</p>
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		<title>By: liberalrob</title>
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		<dc:creator>liberalrob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...unless you&#039;re one of the 40,000.  Or rather, 84,000.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The unemployment rate rose from 5.7 to 6.1 percent in August, and non-farm payroll employment continued to trend down (-84,000), the Bureau of Labor Statistics of the U.S. Department of Labor reported today.
[...]
The number of unemployed persons rose by 592,000 to 9.4 million in August, and the unemployment rate increased by 0.4 percentage point to 6.1 percent.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

But hey, you 84,000 new unemployed people shouldn&#039;t worry, because we had 52 months of job growth!  Everything&#039;s hunky dory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;unless you&#8217;re one of the 40,000.  Or rather, 84,000.</p>
<blockquote><p>The unemployment rate rose from 5.7 to 6.1 percent in August, and non-farm payroll employment continued to trend down (-84,000), the Bureau of Labor Statistics of the U.S. Department of Labor reported today.<br />
[...]<br />
The number of unemployed persons rose by 592,000 to 9.4 million in August, and the unemployment rate increased by 0.4 percentage point to 6.1 percent.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm</a></p>
<p>But hey, you 84,000 new unemployed people shouldn&#8217;t worry, because we had 52 months of job growth!  Everything&#8217;s hunky dory!</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention those stats aren&#039;t accounting for the quality of the jobs. One has to wonder how many of those are the replacement of one full-time position with two no-benefits part-time positions. Our statistics have a bad habit of treating everything in a particular data set as equal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention those stats aren&#8217;t accounting for the quality of the jobs. One has to wonder how many of those are the replacement of one full-time position with two no-benefits part-time positions. Our statistics have a bad habit of treating everything in a particular data set as equal.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/05/republican-recession-watch-unemployment-at-five-year-high/#comment-113238</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe 40,000? still not much ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe 40,000? still not much &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/05/republican-recession-watch-unemployment-at-five-year-high/#comment-113237</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, you have the wrong denominator for you calculation. The percentage given is the percent of the total work force.

If the work force was 100 million people and the percentage of unemployed increases by .004, that&#039;s 400,000 additional unemployed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, you have the wrong denominator for you calculation. The percentage given is the percent of the total work force.</p>
<p>If the work force was 100 million people and the percentage of unemployed increases by .004, that&#8217;s 400,000 additional unemployed.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/09/05/republican-recession-watch-unemployment-at-five-year-high/#comment-113235</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;I’m wondering why you never mention the 52 consecutive months of job growth. Is it cause it doesn’t fit your bitterly partisan agenda?&lt;/em&gt;

I&#039;ll take &quot;Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics&quot; for $500 Alex.

Fifty-two months of job growth doesn&#039;t tell you much about what&#039;s going on with employment. If the size of the work force grows faster than the rate of job growth, you can have increasing unemployment and job growth at the same time.

Job growth is good, but it&#039;s an incomplete measure.

A &lt;em&gt;decline&lt;/em&gt; in the number of jobs, however, is just about always bad news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I’m wondering why you never mention the 52 consecutive months of job growth. Is it cause it doesn’t fit your bitterly partisan agenda?</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take &#8220;Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics&#8221; for $500 Alex.</p>
<p>Fifty-two months of job growth doesn&#8217;t tell you much about what&#8217;s going on with employment. If the size of the work force grows faster than the rate of job growth, you can have increasing unemployment and job growth at the same time.</p>
<p>Job growth is good, but it&#8217;s an incomplete measure.</p>
<p>A <em>decline</em> in the number of jobs, however, is just about always bad news.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be nit picking, bit is .4% (6.1 minus 5.7) , or .004, &lt;i&gt; soaring&lt;/i&gt; ?

If there were a million people unemployed in July, that would make Aug&#039;s 4,000 workers greater ...

Sheesh .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be nit picking, bit is .4% (6.1 minus 5.7) , or .004, <i> soaring</i> ?</p>
<p>If there were a million people unemployed in July, that would make Aug&#8217;s 4,000 workers greater &#8230;</p>
<p>Sheesh .</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a Hick</title>
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		<dc:creator>I'm a Hick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>J Mc,

How many jobs actually created versus how many President Bush said would be created versus how many created under President Clinton?

And I&#039;m not bitter.

Yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>J Mc,</p>
<p>How many jobs actually created versus how many President Bush said would be created versus how many created under President Clinton?</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not bitter.</p>
<p>Yet.</p>
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		<title>By: j mccann</title>
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		<dc:creator>j mccann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m wondering why you never mention the 52 consecutive months of job growth. Is it cause it doesn&#039;t fit your bitterly partisan agenda? 

Just wondering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m wondering why you never mention the 52 consecutive months of job growth. Is it cause it doesn&#8217;t fit your bitterly partisan agenda? </p>
<p>Just wondering.</p>
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		<title>By: jr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 18:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Team Hoover doing what they do best</description>
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