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Good for him.
That’s been on my mind all day today. On one hand, conservatives don’t want government to provide a social safety net. They claim folks ought to look out for themselves. But at the same time, they treat anyone who actually tries to carry out that ideal as the punchline of a joke.
Is there any wonder why people like me begin to believe that it’s not really principles driving the conservative agenda?
Obama FTW! Beautiful. Stick that in your pipes and smoke it, cons.
Jesus was a community organizer.
Notice how he is chatting with reporters in an unscripted moment.
This is something you won’t see Sarah Palin do as she is shuttled from event to event.
I wonder how she will respond to troopergate…
“lobbyists are the only worthwhile people to spend time with”-McCain campaign
Who in their right mind bashes “community organizers”? Not only does it come across as condescending, it also makes you rather out of touch. These people work at grass-roots levels to help people repair their communities, find jobs, and even REGISTER TO VOTE. Not the smartest move, pissing these people off.
That 8 million that came out of nowhere? I’d bet my bottom dollar a lot of it was due to community organizers working overtime to show McCain just what they can do when they set their minds to it.
Expect this group to work especially hard to be a huge thorn in his side.
I like how he uses “ta” instead of “to.”
Perhaps he can explain voting “present,” hanging out with terrorists, racist preachers, “clinging to guns and religion,” and sweetheart deals from criminal slumlords too.
I would greatly appreciate that.
“I like how he uses “ta” instead of “to.””
Like how McCain and Palin like to say Iraq as “EYE-RAK” or Iran as “EYE-Ran”
Christ, mccann, you truly are a waste of human flesh. You seriously need to STFU.
Perhaps he can explain voting “present,” hanging out with terrorists, racist preachers, “clinging to guns and religion,” and sweetheart deals from criminal slumlords too.
All asked and answered.
Of course, actually keeping up probably isn’t as much fun as trolling, is it?
“Perhaps he can explain voting “present,” hanging out with terrorists, racist preachers, “clinging to guns and religion,” and sweetheart deals from criminal slumlords too.”
I have a Mr. Keating on line 1, the printer for the “In Iraq for 100 years” calendar on line 2, and disgruntled veterans who objected to McCain voting against the GI Bill on 3.
“Christ, mccann, you truly are a waste of human flesh. You seriously need to STFU.”
SECONDED.
All in favor say “Aye”?
I’m with you, Randy, but mccann and duh both seem to live just to write the most objectionable crap they can think of.
Go ‘way, mccann, you ignorant redneck.
j mccann: Perhaps he can explain…
Why should he bother? Seriously, j. Is there anything that Obama or anyone not pathologically opposed to him could say to you that would cause you to change your view one iota?
The “clinging to guns and religion” comment, for just one example, has been explained, many times. And only those, like yourself, who absolutely refuse to see reality, preferring to cling to their blindness, fail to understand the point that was actually made.
I’d explain it to you again but, seriously, j, why should I bother?
AYE!
perhaps he can run off a list of accomplishments obtained while organizing his community?
Or is the vaunted role of “Community Organizer” prestigious enough without actually doing anything?
So, what did he repair? How many jobs did he find? How many people did he register to vote (legally I mean, he did, after all work with ACORN too).
I am sorry these questions are objectionable to Quaker, who I am sure will respond with a glib “answered already”, as if that were adequate.
From Andrew Sullivan The Dish
Quote For The Day
04 Sep 2008 05:35 pm
“Jesus was a community organizer. Pontius Pilate was a governor,” – Mudflats.
“perhaps he can run off a list of accomplishments obtained while organizing his community?”
One thing he did not do – befriend Charles Keating, who swindled investors and depositors of their money while paying McCain to ease the regulations that almost let him get away with it.
So, what did he repair? How many jobs did he find? How many people did he register to vote (legally I mean, he did, after all work with ACORN too).
Yes, because receiving answers to these questions would make you shut up.
Or maybe Palin and Giuliani are right, and the people who actually attempt to make these things happen, even when they’re not as successful as they might hope, are far inferior to the people who simply sneer at the struggling and impoverished and walk briskly by whispering “Get a job.”
McCain has community organizer credentials too. He organized a communuty of Navajo off their ancestral lands and onto a toxic waste dump so his buddies could strip mine. That’s change republicans can believe in.
‘AYE’
(although, if we just ignore him he might go away. I know it’s hard, but we can try.)
CBS Poll: McCain, Obama Tied
It appears that this poll was taken prior to Palin’s speech last night.
Some additional tidbits from the poll:
And so you don’t accuse me of cherry-picking:
Although I believe that many of those 66% would discover after an Obama win that what Obama really understands is Obama’s needs and problems.
“And so you don’t accuse me of cherry-picking…”
And Gallup has him maintaining his 7-point lead and Ras. has him maintaining his 5-point lead. Overall Pollster.com has him up by 5.6 percentage points, RCP by 4.4, and 538.com has him up by 3.1.
So yes, you are cherry-picking your numbers.
… I have a question. Aren’t the same kind of people who are community organizers the same kind of people who would volunteer for GOTV campaigns?
I don’t have any real evidence on this issue, but it would make sense to me if there was a lot of crossover in those two groups.
So yes, you are cherry-picking your numbers.
Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t know that I needed to list any and all polls out there in addition to the one I was pointing out so that you wouldn’t get confused or scared or anything. /sarcasm
I guess I shouldn’t have said “See, this CBS poll shows that Obama is losing regardless of what any other poll says”. Oh wait, I didn’t.
“Christ, mccann, you truly are a waste of human flesh. You seriously need to STFU.”
Nah let them speak, theres prizes for the mouthbreathers for ‘dem McCain sponsors who blaze their pop-guns the loudest. There’s a Third Reich swizzle-stick and a shotgun weddin’ for best in show.
I have a question. Aren’t the same kind of people who are community organizers the same kind of people who would volunteer for GOTV campaigns? I don’t have any real evidence on this issue, but it would make sense to me if there was a lot of crossover in those two groups.
Yes, there is, and that is precisely what bothers me. I have literally lost count of how many “community organizers” for ACORN who have been arrested and convicted for voting registration fraud.
Also, the GOTV (”Get Out The Vote,” if anyone doesn’t speak the inside political lingo) efforts are almost always associated with a single party in that vote. For example, when I lived in a larger city, one could call either party’s office and get a free ride to and from the polls — but those offices would be calling only those from their party and offering the rides and reminders.
There is an innate partisanship, an inferrable agenda, at the core of most of these “community organizers.” Altruism is seldom the primary motive.
Oh, and Oliver, those louts at YouTube took down the video you linked to. You might want to update it.
J.
Me: “So yes, you are cherry-picking your numbers.”
Dave in SoCal: “Oh I’m sorry, I didn’t know that I needed to list any and all polls out there in addition to the one I was pointing out so that you wouldn’t get confused or scared or anything. /sarcasm”
You focused on the one poll that showed the race was close, which is the definition of cherry-picking your numbers.
Don’t get pissy because I showed you were wrong.
“I have literally lost count of how many “community organizers” for ACORN who have been arrested and convicted for voting registration fraud.”
I bet you couldn’t name two specific examples without looking them up on the internet.
You’re right, Strowbridge, I couldn’t recite two from memory. But that’s because I don’t feel the particular need to remember those specifics when I know that I can just call up my archives at Wizbang and fill in the details. And by looking at what I’ve written, I see that they’ve had serious problems with bogus registraions in Missouri, Washington State, Ohio, and Virginia, just to name a few.
I don’t have a photographic memory. In fact, I freely admit that my memory is occasionally weak. But I do make a point of remembering the key points, and where I last saw the details.
But whether or not I can pass your insipid little memory test doesn’t have the slightest to do with whether or not what I said was true — and it is, and you can’t refute that.
Hell, you didn’t even try.
J.
Nor can any of these leftists name one thing that The Obama has actually done…
It speaks volumes about the empty suit that is their candidate.
Nor can any of these leftists name one thing that The Obama has actually done…
I understand he’s co-sponsored a lot of legislation. And some of it even passed.
Nor can any of these leftists name one thing that The Obama has actually done…
I’m sure it’s safe to assume you’re at the ready with a list of Mr. McCain’s accomplishments?
I’ll stipulate to McCain-Feingold. Any more?
I understand he’s co-sponsored a lot of legislation. And some of it even passed.
And some, like those three ethics reform bills in 2006 that he touts on his website (S. 2179, S. 2259 & S. 2261) never got beyond Barack proposing them on the senate floor. They died lonely, quiet deaths.
I’m heartened to learn that Mitt Romney is selling Al Gore’s private jet on ebay. Now that’s community organization in action, my friends.
Or Quaker, maybe someone can tell us what Barack did as an organizer?
We have a fairly good list of what McCain did as a naval officer.
We have a fairly good list of what McCain did as a naval officer.
Besides crashing planes and getting “tortured”?
Don’t know why YouTube moved it, but the video is available here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SwwO00aWqM
I’m sure it’s safe to assume you’re at the ready with a list of Mr. McCain’s accomplishments?
Or Quaker, maybe someone can tell us what Barack did as an organizer?
We have a fairly good list of what McCain did as a naval officer.
Is that a no, Mr. Duh?
1) Well, McCain was a co-sponsor, along with Obama, of at least one of the more recent ethics bills. So if it counts for Obama, it should count for McCain too.
2) Silver Star for his last mission over Vietnam, where he completed his bombing run — ignoring the missile warnings and keeping control after it was struck long enough to drop his bombs.
3) Commanding a training squadron well enough to lead it to its very first Meritorious Unit Citation.
4) One of the main authors (not just co-sponsor) of the Indian Gaming Regulatory Act, which actually gave Native American reservations a major economic engine with which to support themselves and take advantage of the treaties that stuck them on the reservations in the first place.
5) Led the push to normalize relations with Vietnam, giving political cover to draft-evading Bill Clinton.
6) Has led the fight against earmarks (even million-dollar ones to hospitals that employ the wife of a sitting US senator and give her a massive raise upon her husband’s election to the Senate) and has refused to ask for or accept any for himself.
There’s six, largely cribbed from a comment I made here a little while ago. And in each and every one of them, McCain himself was a key factor — he didn’t just put his name on something. And in some of them, fought like hell against some serious political opposition.
Now, the appropriate response would be to come up with a list of Obama’s accomplishments, with specific details and ones where he had to put some serious effort into them. Instead, i expect folks will find one single item I cited and nit-pick it to death, hoping that the fight over that one item will distract everyone to the point where Obama’s accomplishments won’t ever be assembled.
Because that’s how it seems to happen around here…
J.
“jesus was a community organizer”
Yeah, and so was Don Corleone.
I still don’t know what Obama did as a “community organizer”. Annenberg Challenge anyone? Bwahahahaha!
Two words;
KEATING FIVE
No one’s mocking community organizing as an accomplishment, they’re mocking it as a qualification to be president. That and voting “present” most the time, and spending half your time in the senate running for president. It’s laughable.
Whether any of you want to admit it or not, Obama’s resume is very thin. He’s skated by on his “rock-star” persona and “coolness” thus far, but once he’s been exposed (and we’re seeing this now) for what he truly is — an unqualified, overly sensitive, closet-socialist hack, he and Biden will go down in defeat.
And democrats will have managed to lose an election they had no business losing.
Shoulda went with Clinton. It would have been landslide.
“…they had no business losing.”
JMc,
Why’s that?
Would you have voted for Clinton?
No one’s mocking community organizing as an accomplishment, they’re mocking it as a qualification to be president.
No one is claiming it as a qualification to be President. Did you even watch the video clip?
Still wrong, william. Please get the basic facts straight.
6) Has led the fight against earmarks (even million-dollar ones to hospitals that employ the wife of a sitting US senator and give her a massive raise upon her husband’s election to the Senate) and has refused to ask for or accept any for himself.
And earmarks are down?
By that measure, OW can count “dating Jessica Alba” as an “accomplishment.”
Hey, I called it! I called it!
Now, the appropriate response would be to come up with a list of Obama’s accomplishments, with specific details and ones where he had to put some serious effort into them. Instead, i expect folks will find one single item I cited and nit-pick it to death, hoping that the fight over that one item will distract everyone to the point where Obama’s accomplishments won’t ever be assembled.
Because that’s how it seems to happen around here…
And Quaker’s response:
6) Has led the fight against earmarks (even million-dollar ones to hospitals that employ the wife of a sitting US senator and give her a massive raise upon her husband’s election to the Senate) and has refused to ask for or accept any for himself.
And earmarks are down?
By that measure, OW can count “dating Jessica Alba” as an “accomplishment.”
Man, sometimes it’s just too damned easy…
J.
“6) Has led the fight against earmarks (even million-dollar ones to hospitals that employ the wife of a sitting US senator and give her a massive raise upon her husband’s election to the Senate) and has refused to ask for or accept any for himself.”
I agree.
Sad to say, but it *IS* an accomplishment for anyone in Washington not to waste our tax dollars. That’s one of the reason I’m voting for McCain.
The other reason is, he’s a Republican.
Sorry, Mr. Tea. You can’t preemptively defend your b.s. that way.
I’m sure Mr. McCain has many excellent accomplishments he can point to. My point, however, was to Mr. Duh, who has been relentless trolling about the fact that Mr. Obama is a newcomer to Warshington. It was my hunch that Mr. Duh knows nothing at all about the accomplishments of either candidate, thus my challenge to him.
That you barged in with your own thin list is a separate matter. That you attempted to place all criticism of your list off limits from the outset shows you’re playing the very same game as Mr. Duh.
Sad to say, but it *IS* an accomplishment for anyone in Washington not to waste our tax dollars.
Anybody know exactly how many ‘earmark’ projects could be considered ‘wasteful?’ Because I don’t. Simply taking umbrage with the protocol of earmarking doesn’t tell us anything about the merit of the projects.
Shorter Quaker: I wasn’t talking to YOU.
Shorter Quaker: I wasn’t talking to YOU.
It’s true. I wasn’t talking to Mr. Tea. Nevertheless, that doesn’t excuse his attempt to preemptively discount any criticism of his foolishness and it doesn’t preclude me from calling him on it.
Or do duh’s research for him.
QiaB: that doesn’t excuse his attempt to preemptively discount any criticism of his foolishness
IMHO, doesn’t look like he was trying to discount “any” criticism. Only those which consist of “find[ing] one single item I cited and nit-pick[ing] it to death, hoping that the fight over that one item will distract everyone to the point where Obama’s accomplishments won’t ever be assembled.”
The challenge was laid down to provide a similar list for Obama and, instead, the response was more on the “nit-pick” side of the spectrum.
The challenge was laid down to provide a similar list for Obama and, instead, the response was more on the “nit-pick” side of the spectrum.
And before that, my challenge was to Mr. Duh, to show that he has even a modest grasp of the facts and isn’t visiting here simply to be annoying. Mr. Tea’s interruption does not obligate me to indulge him. Further, noting that Mr. Tea is calling a high-minded wish an “accomplishment” is not nit-picking.
If you want a private conversation, Quaker, then don’t hold it in public.
If you don’t like your actions being so easily predicted, don’t be so damned predictable.
But back to the topic at hand, can ANYONE tell us just what Obama did in his highly distinguished and meaningful career as a “community organizer?” Besides, of course, aiding and abetting those voter registration forgers at ACORN?
J.
If you want a private conversation, Quaker, then don’t hold it in public.
Thanks for the advice. I didn’t say anything about a “private conversation.” Your tangential interruptions do not obligate me to a reply.
If you don’t like your actions being so easily predicted, don’t be so damned predictable.
And thanks again. However, you’re MSU. My point remains, Mr. McCain’s grand aspirations are not accomplishments.
If you or Mr. Duh would like to discover Mr. Obama’s accomplishments, I leave you to your own devices. I have no interest in your education.
QiaB: Your tangential interruptions do not obligate me to a reply.
And, yet, you did.
QiaB: My point remains, Mr. McCain’s grand aspirations are not accomplishments.
Not sure where you made that point, but of the 6 things JT listed the “fight against earmarks” is more aspiration than accomplishment but even spotting you that one and #5, at least 4 are actual accomplishments and can’t be dismissed as “aspirations”.
I favor Obama over McCain. I disagree with JT on the issues far more than I agree with him. But I really have to wonder why the side that often claims to have more facts, reason and reality on their side ends failing to use them and instead resorts to “wasn’t talkin’ ta you”, “I don’t have to dignify your reasonable point with a reply” and other juvinile-ish replies.
William,
It’s silly season.
When Jesus’ name is mentioned you say “Don Corleone”?
When Chris Wallace Fox New Sunday lists McCain’s soulmate Sarah Palin’s foreign affairs credentials then McCain injects “Don’t forget the PTA.”
I’m starting to understand Republican logic.
But back to the topic at hand, can ANYONE tell us just what Obama did in his highly distinguished and meaningful career as a “community organizer?”
If I might chime in on this oft-asked question, though it was not asked of me… Jay, obviously I can’t speak for anyone else, but my support for Senator Obama’s candidacy is not based on experience. Never was. Had experience been more prominent in my mind I might have supported either Gov. Richardson (it was a serious toss-up in my mind between him and Sen. Obama, and he was definitely my preferred VP) or Sen. Biden out of the primary field. Rather, my support is based upon his program and agenda.
Him having less experience relative to other candidates doesn’t bother me so much, for a variety of reasons – he will have all the office’s levers of power at his disposal to carry out his agenda, and presidents are surrounded by an enormous infrastructure of professionals, many of whom are as experienced as Sens. McCain and Biden. His cabinet, it’s reasonable to assume, will be stacked with career, experienced intellectuals. Sen. Obama has demonstrated qualities that I do find important in a chief executive – flexibility, a willingless to listen to everyone in the room (Kennedy-esque, in that way) and alter his perceptions based on new information, and, most importantly, an agenda and direction with which I mostly agree.
QiaB: Your tangential interruptions do not obligate me to a reply.
And, yet, you did.
Because I chose to do so. Any problem?
QiaB: My point remains, Mr. McCain’s grand aspirations are not accomplishments.
Not sure where you made that point, but of the 6 things JT listed the “fight against earmarks” is more aspiration than accomplishment.
Precisely. That was the only point on which I chose to comment. Mr. Tea is often poorly informed or imprecise in his language. I correct him for my own amusement.
If you’re that into amusing yourself, Quaker, you’ll understand if I decline to shake your hand.
At least not without a latex glove.
J.
If you’re that into amusing yourself, Quaker, you’ll understand if I decline to shake your hand.
If you’re not here for your own amusement, you must have some higher calling. Bestowing your vast wisdom on us unfortunates, perhaps?
We’re ever so grateful.
QiaB: Because I chose to do so. Any problem?
Not with your choosing to do so, no. But pointing out you aren’t obligated to do so when folks reply to your comments makes it sound like you are doing folks a favor by deigning to do so and they shouldn’t get uppity and disagree with you, which I do find off-putting.
Oh, crap, Sean, you said “uppity.”
Nice knowing ya…
J.
Oh, crap, Sean, you said “uppity.”
Yeah. Chose the word specifically. It’s exactly what I meant.