Documents show conclusively that Todd Palin was a member of the secessionist Alaska Independence Party.
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September 2nd, 2008
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OMG!!! He’s going to whisper secessionalist messages into her ear when she’s the VP!!! The nation is doooooooooooomed!
Defeated, the wild wingnut retreats into nonsense.
So are Michelle Obama’s associations fair game NOW?
All these months of the right telling us that Michelle Obama was a dangerous black nationalist militant and it turns out it is the Palins who are members of and admirers of secessionist nut-groups.
I’ll take that as a “yes.”
I’m not sure this is the way to turn the base against her, since so much of the base still proudly flies their Confederate flags.
Country First!!!! (then Western)
Er, those would’ve been Hillary blogs — not the right.
I think it’s great!
I can’t wait for the 527 ads that will spread all these horrible nail-in-the-coffin revelations across the country.
Keep speaking truth to power, Oliver!
WOO HOO! Michelle “never proud of America before” Obama is BACK IN PLAY!!!!!!
I say we start with her job — the one where she got a 160% raise in between her husband’s election to the Senate and his securing a million-dollar earmark for her employer. I’m sure that’ll be FULLY discussed here…
J.
(Accidentally posted on wrong thread at first)
So are Michelle Obama’s associations fair game NOW?
Er, those would’ve been Hillary blogs — not the right.
Do I have this right? You haven’t been spreading false rumors about Michelle Obama, but you’re going to?
Good to know.
I’m sure the fact that Todd’s decision to switch registrations to “Independent” in 2002 coinicided with his wife’s first run for statewide office was pure happenstance…
Remember JWG, Oliver is supremely confident about this election. More than ever.
Of course, his guy supports Hawaiians who feel the same way that Todd Palin (who is part Eskimo) might feel, but then again. Obama is ‘The One’ and he can support anything, say anything or do anything he damned well pleases and people will still bow down when told. Hang around with and get your career kick-started by a domestic terrorist? No big deal. Enjoy decades long relationships with radical leftists like Michael Pfleger and Jeremiah Wright? Who cares? Pushing the ideas of Saul Alinsky while engaging in the Presidential training of community organizer? So what? He’s now HOPE and CHANGE!
“WOO HOO! Michelle “never proud of America before” Obama is BACK IN PLAY!!!!!!”
Oh yes, please, by all means “start” questioning Michelle Obama. She can handle it. How long can the Bundy, er, Palin family handle the spolight?
About 90% of that post is made up, the rest is exaggerated. Also, “Inuit”.
Well, I’m finding out that the history of spouses is fair game in Oliver’s world. Before we couldn’t even bring up what they said on the campaign trial, but now it must be OK to go digging into their past associations.
Michelle “never proud of America before” Obama is BACK IN PLAY!!!!!!
Pfft. Like you people ever stopped going after her.
Incidentally, she was born in 1964. How much have you guys actually done to be proud of since then?
Actually, Quaker, not only did I, but I wrote a piece praising her.
She did something I thought was praise-worthy, and said so.
Naturally, my readers promptly reminded me that according to Obama, I should not be discussing her at all.
J.
Don’t pull a muscle patting yourself on the back there.
Naturally, my readers promptly reminded me that according to Obama, I should not be discussing her at all.
Well I’m sure they’ll both be as excited as you that your period of restraint has come to an end.
Nimrod, I can think of literally a hundred reasons to be proud of America since 1964. Let’s start with seven changes of president without a single HINT of a revolution or a coup — just peaceful handing over of power.
Tremendous technological innovations that have improved the quality of life for people around the world.
Our immigration problem — people fight to get INTO great countries, and fight to get OUT OF hellholes.
The billions and billions we give to charity, showing that we are, indeed, the most generous nation on earth.
That’s ten right there, Nimrod. Pity that the Harvard-educated Mrs. Obama never heard of those things.
J.
Let’s start with seven changes of president without a single HINT of a revolution or a coup
Six. No way you can count 2000.
Documents below.
Do your homework, you shameless hack. She’s been a registered Republican since 1986.
Go tell your owners whose propaganda you spew that their heads are up their a**es on this one.
http://hotair.cachefly.net/images/2008-09/palin-voting.pdf
Case.
Closed.
In 2006, an estimated 17,602 people died in alcohol-related traffic crashes. Todd Pelin doesn’t want to live in America so a DWI arrest means nothing to him
Is that the same Michelle Obama who enlisted David Axlerod to steer poor black people away from her lily-white hospital to save a few bucks?
Is that called compassionate progressivism?
“Let’s start with seven changes of president without a single HINT of a revolution or a coup — just peaceful handing over of power.” Woo-hoo, you didn’t have a revolution. You didn’t for the majority of the previous 193 years eaither. You also weren’t invaded by Martians or destroyed by an android going back in time to kill George Washington. Woo hoo! USA! USA! And yes, it’s six, not seven.
And those are all generalities. Weighing against them you’ve got specifics like Vietnam, Iran-Contra, murdering Allende and backing Pinochet, Watergate…everything George W Bush ever did, everything Clinton didn’t.
Of course I’m not saying America’s sucked for 44 years, but it hasn’t been the best period for you guys.
He’s talking about her husband.
Six. No way you can count 2000.
You must be joking. I had no idea what was going to happen in 2000, but I knew it was going to be decided in the court system, without a single shot fired, and without any question whatsoever–once the decision was made–of who was going to take the oath on inauguration day. I consider it a blessing that in our country a hotly-contested series of court cases is seen as remotely similar to a “revolution or coup.”
Quaker, you omitted the “peaceful handing over of power.”
Funny, I don’t recall Gore leading an insurgent army to take up arms and claim the White House… boy, I’m learning a LOT of history here lately.
I’m sure that was merely an oversight, and you either didn’t copy the whole thing by accident or didn’t actually read it. That you’d omit that last part as a lie by omission, just so you could make your tenuous point, never crossed my mind.
J.
This is quite amusing. This morning vs this evening:
Quaker, you omitted the “peaceful handing over of power.”
With good reason.
You’re leaving out the “without a hint of revolution or a coup.”
It’s pretty funny when the right-wingers who support the use of torture criticize Michelle Obama for not being sufficiently patriotic. Especially when the VP nominee of the republicans is tied to a secessionist movement.
The funny thing about trying to play that game with the Obamas is the fact that the Republican candidates are much, much more radical and hold much, much more immoral views. Patriotism is about doing. If you’re going to vote in support of torture and support secessionist movements, youre actions are, themselves, a sign of patriotic shortcomings, while Barack and Michelle Obama’s actions show them to be people who love their country.
So yeah, you all had your fun mocking Michelle Obama and trying to make hay of Barack Obama’s not-quite-American-ness, but the plank in your own eyes is substantial here.
It was a judicial coup.
As for the rest (this might show up again, I’m tired of waiting)
“Let’s start with seven changes of president without a single HINT of a revolution or a coup — just peaceful handing over of power.” Woo-hoo, you didn’t have a revolution. You didn’t for the majority of the previous 193 years eaither. You also weren’t invaded by Martians or destroyed by an android going back in time to kill George Washington. Woo hoo! USA! USA! And yes, it’s six, not seven.
And those are all generalities. Weighing against them you’ve got specifics like Vietnam, Iran-Contra, murdering Allende and backing Pinochet, Watergate…everything George W Bush ever did.
Of course I’m not saying America’s sucked for 44 years, but it hasn’t been the best period for you guys.
I believe the title of this post was “The secessionist PALIN’S.”
That’s plural, which means he’s including SP, and is either dishonest or wrong. At the least, the title should be corrected.
But expecting integrity is a bit much sometimes. I understand that.
No, that’s possessive. Learn how to use the apostrophe.
mccann did mispunctuate the title (one might call it “inartful”), but his point was accurate: the title is clearly a plural.
So, who’s the second secessionist?
J.
Yes, I’m including Sarah Palin, who attended and greeted these secessionists.
And, for the sake of argument, let’s say you did knock down one of my ten things since 1964 that I’m proud of my nation for. That still leaves nine things that escaped Michelle Obama’s education.
And how about that oh-so-convenient pay raise/earmark event? Give her some money, get even more from him? “Quid pro quo, Clarice.”
J.
That still leaves nine things that escaped Michelle Obama’s education.
I believe she said “…in my adult life.” So you have to start no earlier than 1982, unless she was born as a full-grown adult.
You listed a bunch of generalities and claimed there were ten of them because, like, there’s been seven presidents yeah, so the fact that you never rose up and overthrew our government counts seven times. I came up with some specific things that have tarnished your country’s name since the birth of Michelle Obama, which you didn’t read even though it posted twice.
Then let’s not hear you whine when Obama get’s called out for hanging out with bitter racist Wright and proud terrorist Ayers.
Oops!
Too late!
Already whined about it.
Pot, meet kettle.
OK, since 1982, and skipping the continuity of government, which is more of an exception than the rule in history:
1) The space program. While not as successful and prominent as it was in the Apollo days, it’s still a hell of a thing.
2) The X-Prize contest being won. Private industry steps up and does what the government can’t.
3) Incredible developments in medical technology, making life better for people all over the world.
4) (I’m going to repeat myself) Our incredible generosity. During recent disasters around the world, American citizens gave more to relief efforts than most entire nations.
5) Our military. They have not only never failed us in the last 20-odd years, but they have done other outstanding things such as disaster relief.
6) The internet. The US took the lead in not only creating it, but has maintained it as an internationally-neutral body, giving the human race the single greatest boon (and, almost as often, bane) towards communication and understanding.
7) Our continuing social progress. In the early 80’s, simply being gay was enough to get your ass kicked in a lot of places — and downright illegal. Now we’re openly debating whether gays should or should not be allowed to marry.
7a) We have a black man with a Muslim name running for president, and about a 50-50 chance of winning. (I don’t give a rat’s ass about polls. Right up until November, as far as I’m concerned, it’s 50-50 between Obama and McCain — one of ‘em will win, one won’t. Or, as Han Solo would say, “never tell me the odds!”) (And I’m not giving this one its own item because it’s the one Michelle Obama cited.)
We defeated the Soviet Union WITHOUT blowing up the world, liberating literally hundreds of millions of people from Communist tyranny.
9) Our immigration policy. We have the most generous immigration policy of any nation on earth, and we STILL have far, far more people who want to come here. You know the phrase “voting with their feet?” That’s what the people of the world are doing — and they’re voting their way here. (Yeah, I’m cribbing from myself. Big whoop. It’s an important one.)
10) Since 1984, we’ve had two major changeovers in political power, as the Democrats and Republicans traded the White House back and forth, AND an impeachment of the president — and NOT ONCE did we ever come CLOSE to an actual revolution, coup, insurrection, or violence. THAT has to be worth some serious pride.
Maybe I should e-mail these lists to Mrs. Obama. Apparently her education has been sorely lacking.
J.
The Soviet Union defeated itself, not having a revolution isn’t an achievement and there’s still a lot of generalisations there. Seriously, “we give to charity okay” is what people say when they feel a pang of guilt at living in the most ridiculous luxury. Oh, and we get the World Wide Web, thank you, Sir Tim Berners-Lee.
I’d say more but it’s bedtime now.
See, Jay Tea, here’s where you piss me off, by saying something smart for a change.
However, an important point: we didn’t “win the Cold War”. The USSR LOST the Cold War as a result of what Prof. Paul Kennedy (among others), called “imperial overstretch”. That’s when your military mouth makes you write a check your economic ass can’t cash.
That’s what happened to the Soviet Union, and that’s what could easily happen to the US, if we don’t realize that tough-guy talk doesn’t translate into international influence.
John McCain will NEVER realize that.
Did you, Jay Tea, or did any oh so serious observer, think in 1987 that the Soviet Union would be GONE by 1992?
Think it can’t happen here?
>However, an important point: we didn’t “win the Cold War”. The USSR LOST the Cold War as a result of what Prof. Paul Kennedy (among others), called “imperial overstretch”. That’s when your military mouth makes you write a check your economic ass can’t cash.
I see. So this overstretch had nothing to do with any other country, least of all the U.S. It was all just the USSR making a miscalculation. Right.
>if we don’t realize that tough-guy talk doesn’t translate into international influence.
Tell us Bruce, what *does* translate into international influence? Would you say, for example, that the European Union has more international influence than the U.S. does?
Of course the competition with the US had a lot to do with the demise of the Soviet Union. Did I say that it didn’t? So did the fact that it faced a militant Islam on its southern flank, a resurgent China to the east, and a restive satellite empire to the west.
I would suggest China’s activities in Africa the past few years as an example of a country using its international influence and “soft power” to achieve national goals without acting, or looking, like an international bully. The EU, not so much. They just follow whoever will “protect” them. From whoever.
But hey, I appreciate the “hey, not so fast,” tenor of your post. It was almost like I’d never thought about the subject before, but was only blurting out tired talking points. Oh, wait, that was you.
“So are Michelle Obama’s associations fair game NOW?”
You realize Sarah Palin addressed the AIP at least twice, right? So it’s not just her husband’s association with the group.
Some of us lived through the Cold War, and remember there was a big, big push by the left to “accomodate” the Soviets, to compromise, to find ways to live with them.
Instead, the right — championed by Ronald Reagan — chose to confront them on a variety of fronts, in ways they could not compete. He engaged the Soviets in a game of economic “chicken,” and the free market won — while socialism lost.
I grew up in the era when we lived in fear of nuclear holocaust. I remember “The Day After,” just one of Hollywood’s attempts to scare America into avoiding any and all confrontations with the Soviet Union, as well as a host of similar tactics.
EPIC FAIL.
J.
JWG: “OMG!!! He’s going to whisper secessionalist messages into her ear when she’s the VP!!! The nation is doooooooooooomed!”
You realize he sat in on official meetings when Sarah Palin was governor, right? You are not just speaking out of your ass, right?
>>Of course the competition with the US had a lot to do with the demise of the Soviet Union. Did I say that it didn’t?
You didn’t come out and say it, but the importance you seem to place on making sure everyone knows that “hey, the U.S. didn’t actually win anything there” implied as much. It’s a fairly common tactic from the left – minimize the role the U.S. in order to make it seem like nothing of consequence was accomplished by it. Glad to see you don’t subscribe to “vaccuum thinking” on this one.
>I would suggest China’s activities in Africa the past few years as an example of a country using its international influence and “soft power” to achieve national goals without acting, or looking, like an international bully.
Not so much on this one. Seriously, China as an example of soft power? You seem to want to believe that China’s aggressive stances in some parts of the world (Tibet and Taiwan for example, and oh by the way being a rather ruthless form of government) have no bearing on how it is perceived in other parts of the world. Surely you have a better example of this vaunted soft power of yours?
Mr. Tea, I just want to apologize to you. All these times I’ve picked on you, or been dismissive of your opinion, I never realized that you were forced to attend a junior high school that was so poor that it couldn’t afford history text books.
I mean, that is the reason for your astonishing lack of knowledge about things that happened during the 20th Century, right?
Some of us lived through the Cold War, and remember there was a big, big push by the left to “accomodate” the Soviets, to compromise, to find ways to live with them.
What country did you grow up in? I’m 62 years old and an Army veteran, and I don’t remember any such thing. I suspect your memory has been clouded by the RNC. I DO remember the “red scares” of the ’60s, when the John Birch Society was ascendant and commies (whatever those are) were infiltrating our libraries and gas stations.
It was the policy of “confronting” the “commies” that led us into Vietnam. Hey, there was a success! And now the fools who couldn’t accept losing in SE Asia want a “do-over” in Iraq. No wonder the majority of veterans think they’re morons. (My post of the American Legion is conveniently located two blocks from my house and it is the closest bar. You should drop in and hear what they think of Bush.)
What I remember about the ’80s is that Reagan had the most corrupt and expensive administration in our history until now (Iran Contra, Savings and Loan), and he began the process of selling our country to the Chinese by borrowing against the future.
Mr. Bush seems to have sold them so much of our country that they don’t want any more. Is that a good thing?
“Instead, the right — championed by Ronald Reagan — chose to confront them on a variety of fronts”
Sure did. Covertly and illegally.
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB210/index.htm
I see. So this overstretch had nothing to do with any other country, least of all the U.S. It was all just the USSR making a miscalculation. Right.
Yes, it did. Hello? Afghanistan, anyone?
“So are Michelle Obama’s associations fair game NOW?”
Ooh, ooh, when do we start talking about Cindy and her chocolate chip-Vicodin nut clusters?
“Some of us lived through the Cold War, and remember there was a big, big push by the left to “accomodate” the Soviets, to compromise, to find ways to live with them.
Instead, the right — championed by Ronald Reagan — chose to confront them on a variety of fronts, in ways they could not compete. He engaged the Soviets in a game of economic “chicken,” and the free market won — while socialism lost.”
You realize the Soviet military spending shot up while Carter was president, right? So if your theory is correct, Carter defeated the Soviet Union.
I would SWEAR that three times today I’ve posted a link to the New York Times quoting the woman who said Sarah Palin was a member of the AIP retracting that statement, but it keeps vanishing…
J.
I have to laugh at the conservatives on this thread whining about Oliver’s supposedly “inaccurate” thread title. As he said, Governor Palin gave a speech to the AIP, which means that she supports this organization’s goals, which means the thread title is accurate.