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		<title>By: Duros Hussein 62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/31/the-change-we-need/#comment-111650</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros Hussein 62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 15:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;There’s no real evidence that indicates Obama actually did anything corrupt with Rezko.&lt;/i&gt;

Fantastic, Jay. You&#039;ll not speak of him again? Can we get that in writing, or are we gonna play Whitewater 2.0 and spend years and years and millions looking for nothing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There’s no real evidence that indicates Obama actually did anything corrupt with Rezko.</i></p>
<p>Fantastic, Jay. You&#8217;ll not speak of him again? Can we get that in writing, or are we gonna play Whitewater 2.0 and spend years and years and millions looking for nothing?</p>
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		<title>By: Senor Frog</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/31/the-change-we-need/#comment-111584</link>
		<dc:creator>Senor Frog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 06:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post.

Does anyone use the tv MSM as their first source of information anymore? I&#039;m slow so it took the flap about lapel pins for me to pretty much kick the tv MSM down to my second source of information.  With social networking, RSS feeds from not only American but foreign papers, Wikipedia, YouTube, blogs, etc., I&#039;m well armed with multiple sources of knowledge before I subject myself to the talking heads on tv.  It&#039;s almost a shame but it&#039;s like MSM is the British during the Revolutionary War, walking in line, following outdated rules, expecting everyone to follow the protocols that keep them in power while the bloggers are disguising themselves to gain access, jumping from behind trees, throwing rocks, whether it takes to get the story.  Neither way is the way is should be but within 5 years some new entity will emerge that is a child of both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post.</p>
<p>Does anyone use the tv MSM as their first source of information anymore? I&#8217;m slow so it took the flap about lapel pins for me to pretty much kick the tv MSM down to my second source of information.  With social networking, RSS feeds from not only American but foreign papers, Wikipedia, YouTube, blogs, etc., I&#8217;m well armed with multiple sources of knowledge before I subject myself to the talking heads on tv.  It&#8217;s almost a shame but it&#8217;s like MSM is the British during the Revolutionary War, walking in line, following outdated rules, expecting everyone to follow the protocols that keep them in power while the bloggers are disguising themselves to gain access, jumping from behind trees, throwing rocks, whether it takes to get the story.  Neither way is the way is should be but within 5 years some new entity will emerge that is a child of both.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/31/the-change-we-need/#comment-111565</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 03:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But I can’t help but think that Tony Rezko is precisely the kind of person Sarah Palin dealt with in Alaska&lt;/i&gt;

Is that before or after she supported the bridge to nowhere and had Ted Stevens, possibly the most corrupt of all U.S. senators, cut ads for her?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But I can’t help but think that Tony Rezko is precisely the kind of person Sarah Palin dealt with in Alaska</i></p>
<p>Is that before or after she supported the bridge to nowhere and had Ted Stevens, possibly the most corrupt of all U.S. senators, cut ads for her?</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/31/the-change-we-need/#comment-111542</link>
		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said it elsewhere in some other thread: Conservatives don&#039;t give a shit about experience.

 It certainly didn&#039;t bother them when they elected Bush in 2000 and it certainly isn&#039;t something McCain really cares about either, having nominated a demonstrably ill-equipped person to be his VP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said it elsewhere in some other thread: Conservatives don&#8217;t give a shit about experience.</p>
<p> It certainly didn&#8217;t bother them when they elected Bush in 2000 and it certainly isn&#8217;t something McCain really cares about either, having nominated a demonstrably ill-equipped person to be his VP.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/31/the-change-we-need/#comment-111540</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;and the remarkably convenient unsealing of embarrassing divorce/child custody records his opponents that took out his Republican opponents for the US Senate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s Obama&#039;s fault that Ryan was sleazy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>and the remarkably convenient unsealing of embarrassing divorce/child custody records his opponents that took out his Republican opponents for the US Senate.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s Obama&#8217;s fault that Ryan was sleazy?</p>
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		<title>By: JWG</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/31/the-change-we-need/#comment-111539</link>
		<dc:creator>JWG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 01:02:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;wonder why these abusive types hang around here&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It&#039;s really funny to read how Palin&#039;s baby is someone else&#039;s, how Palin shouldn&#039;t fire a cop who threatens to kill his family and tazers his son, and how Palin is working the &quot;casting couch.&quot;

IOW, it&#039;s fun to point and laugh. The unintentional comedy is better than TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>wonder why these abusive types hang around here</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s really funny to read how Palin&#8217;s baby is someone else&#8217;s, how Palin shouldn&#8217;t fire a cop who threatens to kill his family and tazers his son, and how Palin is working the &#8220;casting couch.&#8221;</p>
<p>IOW, it&#8217;s fun to point and laugh. The unintentional comedy is better than TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, sir.</description>
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		<title>By: anotherbozo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/31/the-change-we-need/#comment-111527</link>
		<dc:creator>anotherbozo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bruce Henry:  well put, and amen!</description>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/31/the-change-we-need/#comment-111525</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack Obama has four times as much experience in the Illinois state legislature, and twice as much in the US Congress, as Abraham Lincoln. What did Lincoln ever DO, before he became President? What scholarly papers did he publish? What were his legislative accomplishments?
Maybe it would be a roll of the dice to elect Obama. On the other hand, we know what we can expect from McCain: four more years of the same old shit.
From what I&#039;ve seen of Obama the last four years, and what I&#039;ve seen of McCain the last quarter-century, I&#039;d rather roll the dice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barack Obama has four times as much experience in the Illinois state legislature, and twice as much in the US Congress, as Abraham Lincoln. What did Lincoln ever DO, before he became President? What scholarly papers did he publish? What were his legislative accomplishments?<br />
Maybe it would be a roll of the dice to elect Obama. On the other hand, we know what we can expect from McCain: four more years of the same old shit.<br />
From what I&#8217;ve seen of Obama the last four years, and what I&#8217;ve seen of McCain the last quarter-century, I&#8217;d rather roll the dice.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
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		<dc:creator>fafaroo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 00:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;fafaroo, primaries aren’t elections ...I have to wonder why the election reference was the only thing you felt worth addressing.&quot;

I think the first sentence explains the second. You have a pretty skewed idea of what counts as &quot;accomplishments&quot; if you think primaries aren&#039;t &quot;elections&quot; and so winning one of the toughest primaries against Hilary Clinton doesn&#039;t say anything about Obama&#039;s organizational and management skills. 

Would it even matter if I listed Obama accomplishments as a community organizer, lawyer, senior law school lecturer, state senator and senator? All the links are in another thread where you spewed the same ignorance. 

I&#039;ll repeat what I said there. You know about Palin&#039;s accomplishments because you&#039;ve read about them, possibly even sought them out. It&#039;s clear, however, on the other hand, that your sole source of information about Obama&#039;s record comes from soundbites and gotcha moments spread by other conservative hacks like yourself. 

You like being able to throw out stupid statements such as the following: &quot;Just like there’s no real evidence that he ever did anything else in his career of substance.&quot; It&#039;s easy and fun. Why mess that all up with actual research and thought? 

If you spent even two minutes googling Obama and his career you&#039;d know that such a statement was ridiculous and without merit. You would prefer not to know that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;fafaroo, primaries aren’t elections &#8230;I have to wonder why the election reference was the only thing you felt worth addressing.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think the first sentence explains the second. You have a pretty skewed idea of what counts as &#8220;accomplishments&#8221; if you think primaries aren&#8217;t &#8220;elections&#8221; and so winning one of the toughest primaries against Hilary Clinton doesn&#8217;t say anything about Obama&#8217;s organizational and management skills. </p>
<p>Would it even matter if I listed Obama accomplishments as a community organizer, lawyer, senior law school lecturer, state senator and senator? All the links are in another thread where you spewed the same ignorance. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll repeat what I said there. You know about Palin&#8217;s accomplishments because you&#8217;ve read about them, possibly even sought them out. It&#8217;s clear, however, on the other hand, that your sole source of information about Obama&#8217;s record comes from soundbites and gotcha moments spread by other conservative hacks like yourself. </p>
<p>You like being able to throw out stupid statements such as the following: &#8220;Just like there’s no real evidence that he ever did anything else in his career of substance.&#8221; It&#8217;s easy and fun. Why mess that all up with actual research and thought? </p>
<p>If you spent even two minutes googling Obama and his career you&#8217;d know that such a statement was ridiculous and without merit. You would prefer not to know that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/31/the-change-we-need/#comment-111493</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:25:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I probably should &quot;back off&quot; the Rezko bit. After all, while Obama did have quite a few associations with the convicted felon, it&#039;s not quite as bad as Hillary Clinton and Norman Hsu, who met with Hillary and raised tons of money for her while a wanted felon. There&#039;s no real evidence that indicates Obama actually did anything corrupt with Rezko.

Just like there&#039;s no real evidence that he ever did anything else in his career of substance. He gives good speeches (as long as he has his teleprompter on hand), talks a good game, but never actually does anything. He certainly didn&#039;t do a damned thing about the incredibly corrupt Democratic political machine in Chicago that was his benefactor on his rise to power...

But I can&#039;t help but think that Tony Rezko is precisely the kind of person Sarah Palin dealt with in Alaska -- and she fought like hell against them, and beat them. Obama, on the other hand... not so much.

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I probably should &#8220;back off&#8221; the Rezko bit. After all, while Obama did have quite a few associations with the convicted felon, it&#8217;s not quite as bad as Hillary Clinton and Norman Hsu, who met with Hillary and raised tons of money for her while a wanted felon. There&#8217;s no real evidence that indicates Obama actually did anything corrupt with Rezko.</p>
<p>Just like there&#8217;s no real evidence that he ever did anything else in his career of substance. He gives good speeches (as long as he has his teleprompter on hand), talks a good game, but never actually does anything. He certainly didn&#8217;t do a damned thing about the incredibly corrupt Democratic political machine in Chicago that was his benefactor on his rise to power&#8230;</p>
<p>But I can&#8217;t help but think that Tony Rezko is precisely the kind of person Sarah Palin dealt with in Alaska &#8212; and she fought like hell against them, and beat them. Obama, on the other hand&#8230; not so much.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: anotherbozo</title>
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		<dc:creator>anotherbozo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post, Oliver. And I hope in fact the New Media are the decisive edge for Obama.  The McCainite slams in response make me wonder why these abusive types hang around here--are they exercising some kind of directionless hostility?  Do they hope to make converts here?  Are they frustrated debate squad fugitives? Too much free time? Or do they subconsciously want to BE converted, to get permission to vote for a candidate they know to be remarkable and bypass whatever stands in their way?  I truly wonder.

Meanwhile Sarah Vowell has a fine piece in Old Media, the Sunday Times Op-Ed. Recommended to everyone.  

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/opinion/31vowell.html?_r=1&amp;ref=opinion&amp;oref=slogin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post, Oliver. And I hope in fact the New Media are the decisive edge for Obama.  The McCainite slams in response make me wonder why these abusive types hang around here&#8211;are they exercising some kind of directionless hostility?  Do they hope to make converts here?  Are they frustrated debate squad fugitives? Too much free time? Or do they subconsciously want to BE converted, to get permission to vote for a candidate they know to be remarkable and bypass whatever stands in their way?  I truly wonder.</p>
<p>Meanwhile Sarah Vowell has a fine piece in Old Media, the Sunday Times Op-Ed. Recommended to everyone.  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/opinion/31vowell.html?_r=1&#038;ref=opinion&#038;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/opinion/31vowell.html?_r=1&#038;ref=opinion&#038;oref=slogin</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/31/the-change-we-need/#comment-111487</link>
		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;This is the second or third time you’ve accused Sen. Obama with those Illinois revelations. You have the same lack of evidence as those previous instances.&lt;/i&gt;

Seriously, are these people living in the &#039;20&#039;s or something?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This is the second or third time you’ve accused Sen. Obama with those Illinois revelations. You have the same lack of evidence as those previous instances.</i></p>
<p>Seriously, are these people living in the &#8217;20&#8242;s or something?</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/31/the-change-we-need/#comment-111472</link>
		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Liberals love Obama because he &lt;i&gt;espouses a sensible liberal agenda based on sound, time-tested (if in countries other than this one) pragmatic principles, is articulate enough to communicate that agenda and is symbolic of a lessening of importance of cosmetic differences (such as race) in the United States.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Fixed. 

Prick. (not you Nimrod, this jagoff at the corner)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Liberals love Obama because he <i>espouses a sensible liberal agenda based on sound, time-tested (if in countries other than this one) pragmatic principles, is articulate enough to communicate that agenda and is symbolic of a lessening of importance of cosmetic differences (such as race) in the United States.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Fixed. </p>
<p>Prick. (not you Nimrod, this jagoff at the corner)</p>
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		<title>By: Nimrod Gently</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nimrod Gently</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Rick Brookhiser on The Corner: &lt;blockquote&gt;We have shown the same color-by-numbers mindset that liberals did when they rallied to Obama. Liberals love Obama because he is a Numinous Negro. Conservatives love Palin because she has a Downs baby and an M-16. For both sides, that is all on earth ye know and all ye need to know. You might call it mystical and childish.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&quot;Numinous Negro&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Rick Brookhiser on The Corner:<br />
<blockquote>We have shown the same color-by-numbers mindset that liberals did when they rallied to Obama. Liberals love Obama because he is a Numinous Negro. Conservatives love Palin because she has a Downs baby and an M-16. For both sides, that is all on earth ye know and all ye need to know. You might call it mystical and childish.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Numinous Negro&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Also, I have to wonder why the election reference was the only thing you felt worth addressing. &lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ll confess I don&#039;t understand why you guys find &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_obama_have_a_real_estate_problem.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rezko&lt;/a&gt; so interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Also, I have to wonder why the election reference was the only thing you felt worth addressing. </i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll confess I don&#8217;t understand why you guys find <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/does_obama_have_a_real_estate_problem.html" rel="nofollow">Rezko</a> so interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, the point is that what he&#039;s offering is different from what the REPUBLICANS have been offering since 1980: trickle-down economic policies, crony capitalism, and the hell with the working class. Oh, and lots more wars!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, the point is that what he&#8217;s offering is different from what the REPUBLICANS have been offering since 1980: trickle-down economic policies, crony capitalism, and the hell with the working class. Oh, and lots more wars!</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the second or third time you&#039;ve accused Sen. Obama with those Illinois revelations. You have the same lack of evidence as those previous instances.</description>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>fafaroo, primaries aren&#039;t elections. I was comparing Palin&#039;s election as governor -- where first she took down the sitting Republican governor in the primary, then the former Democratic governor in the general -- with Obama&#039;s breezing through his first election to the Illinois Senate, and the remarkably convenient unsealing of embarrassing divorce/child custody records his opponents that took out his Republican opponents for the US Senate.

Also, I have to wonder why the election reference was the only thing you felt worth addressing. 

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>fafaroo, primaries aren&#8217;t elections. I was comparing Palin&#8217;s election as governor &#8212; where first she took down the sitting Republican governor in the primary, then the former Democratic governor in the general &#8212; with Obama&#8217;s breezing through his first election to the Illinois Senate, and the remarkably convenient unsealing of embarrassing divorce/child custody records his opponents that took out his Republican opponents for the US Senate.</p>
<p>Also, I have to wonder why the election reference was the only thing you felt worth addressing. </p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank DiSalle</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/31/the-change-we-need/#comment-111450</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank DiSalle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I would really like to hear about is, how what Obama is offering is different from what all Democrats have been offering since 1964 -- with differing levels of success?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I would really like to hear about is, how what Obama is offering is different from what all Democrats have been offering since 1964 &#8212; with differing levels of success?</p>
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