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It’s pretty simple, really. Journalism 101, frankly.
“Did your campaign actually vet Sarah Palin?”
We’ve been down this road.
UPDATE: Josh Marshall has more. Like when they went into Iraq, it looks like the Republicans never actually checked this out.
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“she thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old. That’s good enough for me”-John Sidney McCain
It seems pretty obvious that she wasn’t vetted with any thoroughness at all — she made enemies in the Alaska GOP and any Presidential campaign with any sense at all would have talked to all those enemies to find out what dirt they have on her. Do you think the Obama campaign didn’t talk to Democrats who don’t like Biden to hear their complaints about him? The key is to find out the worst that could come out, so there are no surprises and you’re ready for everything. From the Rick Davis quote in Josh’s post, I wonder if anyone was vetted by the McCain people.
I’m thinking McCain wanted to pick Lieberman badly and spent the last few weeks trying to convince people that Joe should be his choice — when they should have been vetting those on the short list, they were feeling people out about Lieberman. When they finally convinced McCain that Lieberman would be a huge mistake, they had no time to vet anyone, so they had to make a snap decision and this is what you get when McCain makes a snap decision.
In the last few days, it seems clear that there are two men running for President. One, a political newcomer, has built a strong campaign that seems to know what it’s doing. The other, a seemingly experienced politician, has built an amateur campaign that makes the early days of the Iraq occupation look careful and professional by comparison.
Wow, Oliver doesn’t think McCain’s pick for VP was a smart choice. There’s a news flash. Who could’ve predicted that?
Sooooo, when are you going to post more stuff about how great Obama’s convention was like you said you would? Oh, wait — you’re too distracted by McCain. Just like the media is right now. Oops! Barack who?
So JWG admits that he believes that the Palin choice was to get media coverage, not to get the best choice to lead in case the president dies or resigns. Interesting, but not surprising.
So the enlightened one makes up more stuff. Not surprising. What I clearly said is that Oliver and the media are too stupid to pay attention to anything but McCain’s pick right now. And you thought it was important to bring up the baby smear in the previous thread. That’s not stupid at all. I bet that’ll be a great talking point!
Typing this post while watching FOX News Sunday.
Did ole John McCain just say Sarah Palin was a “Soulmate” to him. Is he planning on dating her?
John McCain did it again, called Sarah Palin a “Soulmate” and added that she is a partner.
This is ridiculous. When Chris Wallace asked him about her experience in foreign affairs mentioning her being a mayor of a town of 9800 and her short time as governor, McCain interrupted him to add that she was on the PTA.
Chris Wallace is good. He held his poker face. Foreign Affairs experience at the PTA?
Please continue to underestimate this ticket! It’s worked so well for you in the past.
Quick!
Who succeeded William Henry Harrison?
Gotcha!
This choice is going to get media attention alright… Especially given that the investigation into her abuses of power will culminate in a report issues 4 days before the election.
That will be Excellent News for John McCain! I’m sure.
“abuse(s)” of power?
Keep reaching!
Diebold!
“Disenfranchised minorities”!
Felons didn’t vote !
Memorize for November 5th …
Frank, I’m sure that prediction will work as well as your repeated assurances that the GOP would hold the House and Senate in 2006.
I think for the first time ever I find myself agreeing with Enlightened Liberal’s premise above that the pick of Palin had everything to do with media coverage, and finding the most right-wing woman McCain could, and nothing to do with finding a person suitable to be Commander-in-Chief if something were to happen to President McCain. For me this election has been truly a toss up between Obama and McCain. I love the Biden pick and loathe the Palin pick. I think it reflects quite poorly on McCain’s judgment except that on Friday everyone was talking about McCain’s VP pick and not what a great speech Obama gave (and it was a great speech, even Pat Buchannan said so – the greatest convention acceptance speech he ever heard), so from a controlling the media standpoint, at least for a day, maybe it was brilliant. Still, in the end, I don’t know if a VP pick is a big factor in deciding who to vote for to be President. Maybe this time it is.
Let’s see : I got 2006 wrong…
How did you do in
2000?
2002?
2004?
Yes, your powers of prediction are much better than mine …
Which National Election did I get wrong?
As a conservative who held his nose , and voted Republican in 2000 and 2004, I can tell how I felt when I saw her speech.
At last, a “Hell, yeah! I’m a conservative!”
She will get people who were going to stay home, to get up and vote.
And that’s all John McCain needs…
The last few Elections were close …
About half of eligible voters voted …
If you can get a few hundred thousand voters , who would NOT HAVE VOTED , anyway , to vote for you — you win!
Forget ideology, experience , age or beauty …
That’s the Math!
I predicted Democratic losses in 2002 and did not feel good about 2004. I’ve only predicted two elections because I’m superstitious that way – I was right that Dems would likely win in 2006, and I feel that it’s 85% likely Sen. Obama will be our next president.
Unlike you, I did not run around for almost two years saying with certainty – absolute certainty – that my side would win. You posted that refrain for months here and then slunk away when the thumpin’ was administered. What national election did you get wrong? 2006. And based on the kind of baseless “analysis” you offer, you probably thought Bill Clinton would lose in ‘92 and ‘96.
And yes, the political world changes when thousands of new voters come out for someone. Your problem is that the new voters in this election are coming out for Sen. Obama. McCain, as evidenced by this Palin pick, is still focused on getting the old Republican voters out for him, much less new ones. The Republican party hit high water marks for black, hispanic and women voters in 2004. The likelihood of that happening in a post-Katrina, post-Immigration environment is about zero. The Republican nomination was won by default, the Democratic nomination went down to the wire. Democrats have competed in all 50 states already this calendar year. Sen. Obama has a ground game that is on par with if not beyond the 2004 Bush ground game.
And he does all that without a failed president hanging around his neck.
Well, personally I predicted Bush winning in 04, although I didn’t think he’d actually win it legitimately. I neither know what Oliver thought or what it proves anyway.
I don’t like to make predictions because I’m a depressive. I use Electrical-Vote dot com, which currently has Obama at 278, McCain at 247. At this point last time, Bush was blasting Kerry out of the park.
Step into the light, Hedley. Finally I think you’re seeing how little respect Republicans have for America. To select someone so unqualified, after a lesser vetting process shows how little they care for succession. What are Palin’s foreign policy views? What does she know about Georgia? Hell, what does she know about Canada?
No one can question Biden’s ability to lead if something happens to Obama, though reasonable people can disagree on his policies. Palin is so over her head even running Alaska. How will she handle even a press conference as VP or President? What crises has she overseen? What world leaders has she met? What does she think about anything other than womb babies and her brother-in-law? Who knows?
It’s good to see a Republican that won’t eat anymore of those shit sandwiches their party keeps doling out.
On a side note, if Palin drops out, I propose that she be replaced on the ticket by the mayor of my town of 10,000. Unlike Palin, she’s been on the job 10 years and has run a budget surplus. After all, it’s all about executive experience.
Incidentally, on Oliver’s point, I’m interviewing for a job as network engineer. I have to undergo 3 in person interviews plus tests as well as a background check and a drug test. Apparently I should have applied for VP candidate, the screening isn’t so rigorous!
Great answer…..except Liberal, you are wrong.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/30/AR2008083002377.html
The vetting has been months in the making.
What do we think the next Democrat desperation gambit will be? Diebold? Voter disenfranchisement, aliens racist rednecks?
Dr. P, except you’re lying again. A 15 minute meeting is not a “vetting”. McSame and Palin said themselves they only met twice before Friday.
Hey, When McCain introduced her as his running mate did she just tell her first lie to the American People?
Looks like she didn’t tell Congress “Thanks, no thanks” to the Bridge to Nowhere. Alaska kept the earmark and when she couldn’t get $329 million more to complete the bridge (and yes she asked for more doe) she had to pull the plug on the project.
Why didn’t McCain’s campaign check out this story at least long enough to make sure the earmark spending was not accepted or returned.
This is mighty clumpsy McCain.
Do you know what a vetting is?
It isn’t the candidate grilling the proposed VEEP personally, you know that right?
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I put the whole thing in so you guys wouldn’t get suspicions. A vetting is done by staff members, lots of them.
There, now we are all speaking the same language. Thus endeth the lesson.
Enlightened liberal, are you some sort of a sock puppet? Someone else had picked up the Dr P meme a while back….
NBC Evening News, John McCain adds Palin’s PTA to her lists of executive experience.
Is he nuts?
The question Brian Williams asked him was if Palin was prepared to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. The fact that McCain feels she is more qualified than Obama doesn’t prove his argument because McCain says Obama isn’t qualified either. What is his argument, well she’s better than unqualifed Obama.
Is he nuts?
If the Democrats didn’t have a qualified candidate, should be have presented one?
Then he tells Brian Williams he wasn’t aware of any objections to Joe Lieberman has his running mate. Who believes that?
At this rate he maybe committed before elected.
It was a joke juhar. Just to get the goat of you lefties….worked like a charm I’d say.
It was a joke juhar. Just to get the goat of you lefties….worked like a charm I’d say.
Nice to see the conservatives see the office of the VP as a joke.
No they see the lefties, who are trying to preach change,making fun of someone who has a variety of experiences in leadership outside of washington DC a joke.
I don’t think the ‘change’ theme was ever intended to refer to resumes, Duh, but rather agenda, an issue for which there is clearly no hypocrisy. I don’t think there’s any question that Sen. Obama’s program would differ more from the current administration of the federal government than would Sen. McCain’s.
Keeping with the theme of this thread, there are two questions I’d like to see answered, in order, of the Presidential and Vice-Presidential candidates, respectively:
1) How much authority do you intend to cede to your vice president? In other words, how do you intend to use them?
2) If you were the presidential candidate, what would be the top ten items on your agenda, in order?
So Oliver thinks I probably guessed wrong in 1992 and 1996 — of course he does …
In 1992 , I suspected that Clinton might win, in 1996 I knew he would. In 2000, I wasn’t sure Bush could beat Gore , until October when I discovered the new algorithm : If it is reported by the MSM that the race is close after Columbus Day, and stays close until Halloween, then Republican candidate wins …
Why do I think McCain Palin will win in 2008? Because Palin’s speech was aimed at all the people McCain feared would stay home in Nov — and only them …
It has now gone from Most Likely McCain ( but wait until Columbus Day ) to it is now O – V – E – R …
Wow, Frank, this is fucking uncanny.
In 1992, I suspected Clinton might win, too! In 1996, was sure of it, too! I thought Gore might win in 2000, until I discovered the new algorithm: if your brother is Governor, and a Republican is the Secretary of State, you win!
It has now gone from Most Likely McCain, to “Hey, what the hell? I thought you guys said it was my turn! I was a POW, you know!”
So you’re thinking it’s McCain, too, eh ? Sure bet …
You’re looking after 8 years and can’t see Bush won – you’re probably thinking Gustav might turn SW and hit Costa Rica!
Good for you Frankie, You found a candidate that cares about the important issues. Who cares if the economy is in the shitter, crippling debt, and are engaged in a pointless war while OBL runs free? Gotta stop ‘dem fags from getting married, right?
*Pats Frankie on the head* Good for you.
It has now gone from Most Likely McCain ( but wait until Columbus Day ) to it is now O – V – E – R …
Translation: Obama will win for sure.
Why do I think McCain Palin will win in 2008? Because Palin’s speech was aimed at all the people McCain feared would stay home in Nov — and only them …
I’m pretty sure they don’t allow the mentally insane to vote.
In 1992 , I suspected that Clinton might win, in 1996 I knew he would.
I have no way of verifying this one way or the other.
Ok, I want to apologize for the multiple posts (being able to edit would be great)
until October when I discovered the new algorithm : If it is reported by the MSM that the race is close after Columbus Day, and stays close until Halloween, then Republican candidate wins …
I’ve discovered an alogrithm as well. The most charismatic candidate wins. Reagan, Clinton, Bush Jr., and soon, Obama.
Zython, my calculations support your conclusion.
Not to quibble, but can one be any other kind of insane but “mentally”?