Woah.
UPDATE: I’ll be traveling tomorrow, more gushing from me when I get home.
UPDATE 2: Before I go to bed, I’ll say this: Our next president spoke tonight.
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I wish I was there. That was seriously one amazing speech.
I was with friends watching and all at once just one word was mentioned.
Daaaaaayum…..
Crucially – he’s getting better as he goes, what’s known in the sports world as ‘peaking at the right time.’ You can bet we won’t see anywhere close to a repeat of Saddleback-type answers in the debates.
He hit it outta the park. On the phone with my Dad, who once upon a time worked for RFK, I suggested it was a homerun. He said, “It was Barry Bonds on steroids.”
Couldn’t be more pumped.
A brilliant, perfect speech, and any fool could tell he meant every word.
Now for Bush, Cheney, and The Other Option, my friends.
Best State of the Union Speech from a Democratic Candidate ever!
My husband and I are away at a bed and breakfast. While we listened to Obama’s speech on the tv in our, we could hear it echoed as people were watching on their own tvs in other rooms. It wasn’t the stadium in Denver, but it was an event.
Obama was amazing.
I understand the lineup for the opening night of the RNC will be:
Joe Lieberman
Dick Cheney
Laura Bush
George W. Bush
Brace yourself for some riveting… ZZZZZZZ….
OT:
Remember when Oliver slobbered that keeping a lid on the VP pick 18 hours out was phoenomenal? Well, we’re less than 90 minutes away from McCain’s VP pick and it STILL hasn’t officially leaked yet. I await Oliver’s praise for McCain’s Inner Circle…
It’s Sarah Palin, guys. Unless it’s an awesome head fake, it’s been confirmed by the networks.
“UPDATE 2: Before I go to bed, I’ll say this: Our next president spoke tonight.”
Somebody’s a wee bit gassed up on emotion.
LMAO!
I’ll admit this though, the man can give one hell of a speech. But it was just more of the same. He’s just a hip version of Jimmy Carter. And if we all remember, JC managed to hit a 29% approval rating WITHOUT an unpopular war.
McCain ‘08!
If you were really that concerned with more of the same, maybe you wouldn’t want to support the candidate that agrees with Bush over 90% of the time.
“McCain’s VP pick and it STILL hasn’t officially leaked yet.”
Yeah, because he didn’t flip the coin until this morning.
If Palin doesn’t seem like a last-minute, desperation choice, I don’t know who would.
If you were really that concerned with more of the same, maybe you wouldn’t want to support the candidate that agrees with Bush over 90% of the time.
Wow. A Republican that agrees with a Republican more often than not. I never saw that coming!
Yeah, because he didn’t flip the coin until this morning.
Right. Considering she flew into Ohio last night, he flipped the coin this morning.
If Palin doesn’t seem like a last-minute, desperation choice, I don’t know who would.
I see you’re already drinking the Kos Kool-Aid.
There goes you’re “experience” argument, repubs. Not. Another. Word.
If Palin doesn’t seem like a last-minute, desperation choice, I don’t know who would.
As opposed to the brilliant selection of 30 year Washington insider Biden by the “Hope & Change” and “New Kind of Politics” campaign.
Got any specific reasons why Palin’s a “last-minute, desperation choice” or are you just worried that Old Guy’s VP pick will steal some of the thunder from Obama’s rousing speech and coronation?
“Last-Minute”? She’s been in play ever since June when Obama wrapped up the nomination and the disffected Hillary-ites started screaming foul.
“Desperation” was picking Joe Biden after months of McCain banging away on the inexperience card when Obama SHOULD have chosen someone like Bayh, McCaskill or Kaine to re-enforce his “change” mantra.
Jealous much?
A governor for 18 months of the least populous state, a mayor of a village of 8,000 before that, and managed to get embroiled in scandals in each place. Good job McSame!
So, the half-black young guy picks an old white guy and the old white guy pick a young white woman!!
Hi, Oliver,
Lot’s of new ersatz McCain campaign signs in that speech!
My vote for the best:
“A 10% Chance for Change! McCain 2008″
Cheers,
Yeah, it’s not like she actually been a mayor or a governor or anything. Oh, wait…
Watch out Cindy! McCain’s shopping for No. 3! Is this politics version of the casting couch? (Sleep with me and I’ll take you places!)
SaveFarris:
You profoundly underestimate the respect and affection we liberals have for Joe Biden. He is a fantastic choice.
Cheers
It must be embarrassing to have Palin with more leadership experience than Obama.
Well, we’re less than 90 minutes away from McCain’s VP pick and it STILL hasn’t officially leaked yet. I await Oliver’s praise for McCain’s Inner Circle…
You don’t understand, Farris.
Republicans are good at message discipline. They kept the lid on the VP pick right up to the announcement? No surprise–it’s what they do.
Democrats on the other hand, totally suck at message discipline and Democratic campaigns tend to leak like a cheap diaper. (For an example, look at the open book provided by Hillary Clinton’s organization revealing its infighting in gory detail.) I’m amazed–and Oliver correctly notes–the unexpected discipline of the Obama team in keeping Biden under wraps for so long.
Wow. For an “enlightened liberal” you sure do hate women.
There goes you’re “experience” argument, repubs. Not. Another. Word.
Um, you guys seem to forget something. Palin is not running for President. McCain is. YOUR inexperienced guy is at the TOP of the ticket.
So no. The experience argument will not go away.
Pretty good pick for him, actually. Didn’t know a thing about her until ten minutes ago, but they’re pretty close ideologically (i.e. fairly moderate Republicans). Sen. McCain moderates the experience issue, just as Sen. Biden does for Sen. Obama. And of course there’s teh female thing – any remotely conservative Sen. Clinton supporters (i.e. somewhere between center and Clinton) out there will likely jump ship.
Now, Farris, here’s where you get schooled on what Republicans do poorly:
You’d be right if the criteria was “Which VP pick is best to bolster Obama’s campaign theme?” In other words, who can best help you win the election?
That’s the wrong way to judge the pick. Instead, it’s “Which VP pick is best to help Obama run the federal government?” The only Republican ticket in my lifetime that made the choice on that criterion was Bush/Cheney. (Not to say I think Cheney has done a good job–he’s been a disaster, but a disaster by design. And he certainly didn’t bring any charisma to the ticket.)
“Right. Considering she flew into Ohio last night, he flipped the coin this morning.”
Whatever small reserve of humor Jay once has apparently evaporated.
Yes, Jay, I’m drinking kool-aid while you race to vigorously defend McCain “with the FACTS!!!!” against an obvious joke.
managed to get embroiled in scandals in each place
What scandal was there during her time as mayor or on the city council?
Regarding the Monegan firing, as was noted on another thread (by Jay or Jay Tea) there’s no “there” there, so far. The Democratic senator who is overseeing the investigation admits that the Palin administration is fully cooperating.
I detect a whiff of desperation in the air, and it seems to be coming from Denver, not Ohio.
Not sure how the pick will play for the hardcore base that doesn’t much trust McCain, though. I imagine we can expect to see a healthy dose of “At least he’s not Obama.”
“…are you just worried that Old Guy’s VP pick will steal some of the thunder from Obama’s rousing speech and coronation?”
Yes. I’m deeply concerned that everyone will forget one of the best political speeches delivered in years because John McCain picked a VP that no one has ever heard of and with whom, he himself, is barely acquainted.
Lighten up jwg, you have no sense of humor.
I’m pretty worried about a potential VP candidate that put her family squabbles above the state of Alaska- will she do the same as VP? America doesn’t need a VP that will take out her own personal vendettas on government employees that happen to cross her path.
I’m pretty worried about a potential POTUS that is a former cokehead that associates with known domestic terrorists, makes shady property deals and attends a church with a racist minister.
a VP that no one has ever heard of and with whom, he himself, is barely acquainted.
Don’t worry, America will have ample opportunity to meet Mrs. Palin and hear all about her background and accomplishments in the next 9 weeks.
Wow. For an “enlightened liberal” you sure do hate women.
The sexism card emerges!
Um, you guys seem to forget something. Palin is not running for President. McCain is. YOUR inexperienced guy is at the TOP of the ticket.
So no. The experience argument will not go away.
McCain decided that the person most fit to lead the country if something should happen to him is a woman with less experience in government than Obama.
Oh, but she’s a GOVERNOR, so it’s okay.
Except…McCain has never been a governor. But he’s been in Congress for 25 years, so he’s ready.
This is that new math, isn’t it? If both McCain and Palin are qualified to be President, then the equation is something like twelve and a half years in Congress equals one year as governor?
Or:
12.5c = g
Is that it?
“Last-Minute”? She’s been in play ever since June when Obama wrapped up the nomination and the disffected Hillary-ites started screaming foul.
Is that why she was chosen? She’s a woman, so Hillary’s supporters will automatically vote for her over Obama?
From MSNBC:
“Sarah Palin is pleasant surprise for those of us who had hoped that Senator McCain would pick a principled and authentic conservative pro-life leader,” former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said.
Huckabee also used the Palin pick to appeal to disaffected supporters of Hillary Clinton.
“Governor Palin … will remind women that if they are not welcome on the Democrat’s ticket, they have a place with Republicans.” he said.
“Palin is not running for President. McCain is. YOUR inexperienced guy is at the TOP of the ticket.”
Right. Keep telling yourself that, Jay. McCain is going to have a hard time convincing people he cares about experience when his running mate has considerably less experience in public service and government than Obama.
I’m pretty worried about a potential POTUS that is a former cokehead that associates with known domestic terrorists, makes shady property deals and attends a church with a racist minister.
Funny, you didn’t have that problem with Bush.
…
That was too damn easy.
Don’t worry, America will have ample opportunity to meet Mrs. Palin and hear all about her background and accomplishment in the next 9 minutes.
Fixed.
Watch out Cindy! McCain’s shopping for No. 9! Is this politics version of the casting couch? (Sleep with me and I’ll take you places!)
Fixed.
Uh, yeah — it’s likely to appear when someone compares the female VP pick to a prostitute. You leftists are so classy!
Funniest line of the day…no, the month:
I detect a whiff of desperation in the air, and it seems to be coming from Denver, –Dave in SoCal
Um, yeah. Desperation. That’s exactly what I took away from last night’s speech.
Haw!
On the bright side, she does have 5 kids, so at the very least she knows how to change a diaper.
“Palin is not running for President. McCain is. YOUR inexperienced guy is at the TOP of the ticket.”
On a related note, today is Mr. McCain’s 72nd birthday.
I’m going to refrain from commenting on Palin until Oliver makes a post on the subject.
All I can say is, this just became quite possibly the most entertaining political campaign in a very, very, very long time.
I just might have to watch a little of the RNC after all…
J.
I’m going to refrain from commenting on Palin until Oliver makes a post on the subject.
He commented on Twitter:
He’s probably tired.
“On the bright side, she does have 5 kids, so at the very least she knows how to change a diaper.”
Duros wins the internets
“Uh, yeah — it’s likely to appear when someone compares the female VP pick to a prostitute. You leftists are so classy!”
Point out where I compared the female VP pick to a prostitute. On the other hand, a certain presidential candidate likes to compare his wife to a trollop and call her the c word. Who is the real sexist?
all about her background and accomplishment in the next 9 minutes.
Fixed.
Sure, it might take only 9 minutes to list her accomplishments. Contrast that with the mere 9 seconds needed to list Obama’s actual achievements.
Obama’s sole executive experience was chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Result? Over $100 million shelled out (some of it to groups associated with his acquaintance Bill Ayers as well as HIS buddies) with little impact on Chicago school improvement
From the link (A comprehensive study of the outcome of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge by the Consortium on Chicago School Research):
“Funny, you didn’t have that problem with Bush.”
Funny, I’m sure you did.
Change You Can Believe In?
Oh, and Oliver… when you get back home I’m looking forward to your thoughts on the Obama campaign’s efforts to silence Stanley Kurtz from talking about the results of his research into the Chicago Annenberg Challenge as well as their lawsuit and request for criminal charges against the American Issues Project (and its founder) for airing an ad spotlighting Obama’s longtime working relationship with Bill Ayers.
I guess we now know what Obama wanted that “civilian national security force” for. Someone will have to keep dissent and criticism of President Obama under control.
Really Dave?
Other than Mr. Walter Annenberg (a Reagan Republican) who were some of the other “radicals” associated with that board? Hm?
Palin? another corrupt republican? that’s not change we can believe in
From Palin’s Wiki entry:
Sure, Oliver. Run with your usual “Republican corruption” schtick. Let’s see how that works out for you.
“I guess we now know what Obama wanted that “civilian national security force” for. Someone will have to keep dissent and criticism of President Obama under control.”
Oh noes, you’ve exposed our secret. Armies of black men in suits and bow ties armed with bean pies will pull your IP, fan out throughout the country and arrest Americans such as yourself on Inauguration Day.
Other than Mr. Walter Annenberg (a Reagan Republican) who were some of the other “radicals” associated with that board? Hm?
Where did I say ‘radical’ or imply that he was (or is) one? Trying to put words in my mouth or just changing the argument, Quaker?
I was just pointing out that the effort Obama led (as chairman of the board), his sole executive leadership role, was a FAILURE. That’s what ‘little impact’ means.
Oh noes, you’ve exposed our secret. Armies of black men in suits and bow ties armed with bean pies will pull your IP, fan out throughout the country and arrest Americans such as yourself on Inauguration Day.
Well obviously they’re going to have to battle it out with the covert Republican/Bush secret police state troops who are busily taking away everyone’s rights and shredding the consitution on a daily basis.
See those indented words inside the quote marks, Dave? That’s where I cut and paste what you wrote. Like this:
Now I’ll repeat my question for you. Who were some of the other (You don’t think the word “radical” applies to Mr. Ayers? Very well. You must have some other reason for mentioning his name.) people associated with that board other than Ayers?
We already know what an America-hating bomb thrower the Reagan Republican Walter Annenberg is. Who else?
Hm?
Ahem.
Oh noes, you’ve exposed our secret. Armies of black men in suits and bow ties armed with bean pies
Heavens! Not the bean pies!
the Obama campaign’s efforts to silence Stanley Kurtz from talking about the results of his research into the Chicago Annenberg Challenge
Silence him? They gave out the phone number for a radio station. Specifically, a radio station hosting a call-in talkshow open to the public.
Ooooh! Scary, kids!
What a silly conversation this is. Sarah Palin is a lightweight’s lightweight. There aren’t even 150,000 people in the entire world who have cast a vote for her in her entire political career. She has no experience that is relevant to the job of president and doesn’t even know what a vice president does.
Dan Quayle was bad. Spiro Agnew was bad. If you are trying to prove that governments can’t solve problems, this is your candidate.
They gave out the phone number for a radio station. Specifically, a radio station hosting a call-in talkshow open to the public.
And did you listen to the audio? Not a single one of those callers responded to any of the information. They just tried to shout down both Rosenberg and Kurtz. Rosenberg invited Obama to send one of his representatives on the show and they declined.
So they called and said Kurtz was spreading “terrorist smears” and that he was “lying” but each and every time Rosenberg or Kurtz asked them for specifics we got the crickets. Because the specifics were not on the email sent out to the Bots.
Any chance the wingnuts of cable will spend any time beating the drum for a convention fight on this Palin pick, as they did for Hillary at the DNC? Shouldn’t they be speculating about how the disgruntled Mitten fans are going to create a rift?
Duros, hold that Palin stuff until after they cement the deal at the convention.
Quaker, first of all, Walter Annenberg was NOT on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC). He was on the board of the Annenberg Foundation, which awarded the $50 million grant to the CAC, which was led by Obama. Sorry, no Republican/conservative “America-hating bomb throwers” on the CAC board as far as I know. I guess they must all be Democrats/liberals.
Secondly, the reason I mentioned Ayers’ name is that at least $175,000 went to a group called Small Schools Workshop, which was led by Bill Ayers and Mike Klonsky (Ayers’ friend and fellow Weathermen founder). Link
You don’t think the word “radical” applies to Mr. Ayers
Actually, I do. I just didn’t call him one. And obviously you do too, since you immediately asked me about other ‘radicals’ on the board.
Don’t know about that, buma, but Steve Douchy said Palin does too have foreign policy experience ‘cuz Alaska is right nest to Russia! So there! Nyahhhhhhhh!
Most Hilarious headline of the day….
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/29/now-obama-wants-experience/
LMAO! You’ve *GOT* to be kidding me!!! At least our inexperienced guy….er, girl I mean, isn’t at the TOP of the ticket!
Pot, meet kettle.
Real life is better than satire sometimes.
“Rove is pushing Romney so aggressively some folks are beginning to wonder what’s going on…”
My personal take on Palin is a mixed bag. Her choice deflates the Experience Attack on Sen. Obama (which failed for Hillary in the primary). She does help with the Female population and is a strong ethical reformer in her short history.
Looks like John McCain is trying to shift the dynamic of the race towards one of Reform and bipartisanship (both of which are perceived strengths).
I think the Experience Attack Line is a poor one as some of our finest Presidents have had little to no Executive or Political Experience. I would personally stick with attacking Obama’s perceived vagueness in his Change platform by presenting concrete, specific policies of reform that would be enacted in a McCain/Palin administration.
I’ll repeat it for j mccann.
John McCain chose somebody with less experience than Obama to lead the country in case something happens to him. If he considers Sarah Palin to have enough experience to run the country, then he cannot turn around and say Obama doesn’t have enough experience.
If he says that her minimal experience as governor qualifies her to be President, then one is forced to ask why John McCain, who has no experience as a governor, is qualified to be an executive.
They gave out the phone number for a radio station. Specifically, a radio station hosting a call-in talkshow open to the public.
From the “Obama Action Wire” on this subject, giving instructions to his faithful minions:
The campaign didn’t tell people to rebut the statements being made by Kurtz (nor did they… instead they just called him “smear-merchant”, etc.). They just made it clear that WGN shouldn’t even give Kurtz airtime. In indeed, none of the callers refuted any points (I know because I listened to the whole thing), they just said how terrible and irresponsible it was that WGN let Kurtz on to speak. Faithful drones all.
Sure, Quaker. No big deal, nothing to look at, move along, pay no attention to the attempts to silence the man over there.
Actually, I do. I just didn’t call him one. And obviously you do too, since you immediately asked me about other ‘radicals’ on the board.
And now that your little dance is done, why don’t we return to the question you’ve been avoiding?
Who were some of the other “radicals” associated with that board?
If you don’t know, you can just say so.
Palin’s experience is representing a remote state that has fewer people than 20 cities and over 100 counties. By contrast, Obama represents 12 million people in a diverse society and economy. Biden represents 843,000 and has over 30 years experience in foreign policy.
Palin’s a great pick!
She’s anti-science. (Supports teaching creationism)
She’s anti-choice. (that’ll bring in all those Hillary supporters, you betcha!)
She thinks her role is bully state employees she doesn’t like. (trying to get a state cop in a divorce with her sister fired) – perfect followup to the Bush Admin!
She will piss off and alienate all of Pawlenty’s and Mittens’ supporters:
I didn’t think it was possible to find a worse VP pick that Dan Quayle, but dammit if McSame hasn’t come through!!
Plus, the whole pick reeks of “Hey, Hillary supporters, check out MY running mate. Sure she’s not who you like, but she has a VAGINA, and that’s what’s really important! Right? Right?”
Anti-Science:
“While running for Governor of Alaska, Palin supported the teaching of creationism alongside evolution in schools, however, she noted she would not use ‘religion as a litmus test, or anybody’s personal opinion on evolution or creationism’ as criteria for selection to the school board.”
Anti-Choice:
Yes, so is McCain. So it makes sense he would choose someone who has similar beliefs to keep his campaign “on message”.
“On April 18, 2008, Palin gave birth to her second son, Trig Paxson Van Palin, who has Down syndrome. She returned to the office three days after giving birth. Her decision to have the baby after prenatal genetic testing revealed he had the disease resulted in much admiration from the pro-life community.”
So she stands firmly behind her beliefs even under the extreme personal pressure and tragedy of having a Downs-Syndrome child.
Mittens was probably the worst person that McCain could have chosen. He is the walking definition of what Obama charges as “What is wrong with Washington.” A political opportunist whose opinions and positions change with the Poll Barometer. His Mormon background is extremely disliked by the Evangelicals. His background as a Venture Capitalist CEO would not sit well in the face of the sub-prime meltdown environment. He would have been bloody, red-meat to feed to the Obama campaign.
You should read her Wikipedia entry if you have not:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
Oh this is great. I’m really have a good laugh. “I love the smell of desperation emanating from liberals.”
Maybe McCain thought it was a mavericky move, but to me it shows he won’t veer from the increasingly popular policies of the current administration. That’s not change we can believe in, my friends.
PS – Both she and Sen. McCain have children serving on active duty with deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan between them. There goes the whole “anyone who votes or supports a war as a public official should be forced to have their children serve” line.
It seems that Palin doesn’t know what the VP does. Can we really afford to have yet another person in the executive branch that doesn’t know their own job?
Suuuure, lotsa Bushies have said they would NEVER use religion as a litmus test (hello, paging Monica Goodling, paging Sara taylor!)
And your quote supports what I said. SHE SUPPORTS TEACHING CREATIONISM. Unless she means “teaching why it is ridiculous and wrong”, then that is, sorry, manifestly anti-science.
Re: choice: well at least I can congratulate her for not being a flagrant hypocrite (this makes her better than 99.5% of Republican candidates of recent memory, including McCain). She chose one way, but would deny TO ANYONE ELSE the OPPORTUNITY to choose differently.
Anti-Choice:
Yes, so is McCain. So it makes sense he would choose someone who has similar beliefs to keep his campaign “on message”.
He didn’t used to be.
Quaker,
I don’t personally think the whole radical thing holds water, but to illuminate the controversy over the Chicago Annenberg Challenge:
The Small Schools Workshop had been established in the early 1990s by William Ayers who hired Mike Klonsky, a Chicago cab driver who had earned a Ph.D. in education from the University of South Florida, and former activist with Ayers in Students for a Democratic Society, or SDS. Klonsky had achieved limited notoriety in 1977 when he traveled to Beijing to seek the endorsement of Communist China for a political party he had helped establish in the United States, the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist).
So its more of a “Barack knew Ayers who knows this guy, who knows this guy, who knows this guy” kind of thing.
I accept that people of the Democratic wing will meet and mingle with Leftists just as Republicans will meet with Righties. Not a big deal, just regurgitated food for Cable News.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Klonsky
Once again, Zython and others of his ilk show that they have no grasp of the word context. Those of us who do can tell she was speaking rhetorically and that if she was going to be the VP choice that she would want to have the kind of active participation on a day to day basis as she does now as Governor.
Is it a choice to act so ignorant or is it something you just can’t control?
And now that your little dance is done, why don’t we return to the question you’ve been avoiding?
Who were some of the other “radicals” associated with that board?
Who’s avoiding it? I have no idea who else was on the CAC board. But since my point was never “ah HA! the CAC board is full of radicals like Ayers”, what relevance does this have to my actual point that the outcome of Obama’s sole executive experience was a failure?
The quote about Ayers and his buddies getting money was to point out a little insider dealing going on.
You seem to have difficulty figuring out the difference between the point I was actually making and the one you want me to be making. You’re usually better than this, Quaker.
If you really want to know who was on the CAC board. do your own research.
The quote about Ayers and his buddies getting money was to point out a little insider dealing going on.
Then you’re way out in right field.
Mr. Ayers applied for a grant and won it. That’s how some organizations get funded. Where’s the “insider dealing”?
Now Dave, you can’t kid an old kidder like me. “Insider dealing” is not the reason you mention Mr. Ayers name.
John McCain’s grandfather died suddenly when he was quite a bit younger than McCain is now. McCain’s father died suddenly when he was quite a bit younger than McCain is now.
Forget about whatever cynical motivation, or mistake of judgment, caused McCain to pick Palin as the person who will assume the presidency if he DROPS DEAD, as is quite possible. I want Jay and Dave and all the other Righties to post here about why they are SURE that Sarah Palin is so very very qualified.
It would be bad enough if McCain was president. What would happen if this person was suddenly Commander-in-Chief?
And also, Righties..what if he is disabled BEFORE the election? Strokes are pretty sudden things. Do you think Palin could win the election at the top of the ticket against Obama? Or even against Biden?
If you really want to know who was on the CAC board. do your own research.
Won’t be necessary. I already have that information. I just wanted to see you write this:
I have no idea who else was on the CAC board.
TFJ, Quaker. TFJ.
if she was going to be the VP choice that she would want to have the kind of active participation on a day to day basis as she does now as Governor.
Just wondering. How much day to day does the Lt. Governor get? Isn’t VP the Federal equivalent?
Rhein,
I’m a Republican and an Atheist. Most of my religious-political views are very akin to Bill Maher’s take on it. I despise the Bush Administration as probably the worst one in the history of the US. I’m still a Republican because I don’t believe in the concept of my Government taking care of me and every other citizen from cradle to the grave
I am a strict constructionist in relation to the Constitution of the United States, especially in regard to the seperation of Church and State. I am Pro-Choic. I believe that all drugs should be legalized and taxed by the US Gov’t like tobacco – all tax revenue should be used for drug treatment facilities and programs. All non-violent drug offenders should be immediately pardoned.
However, I hold no ill will towards Evangelicals or whomever else. Because someone “believes there is an invisible man in the sky who has a list of 10 things he doesn’t want people to do” makes that person no less fit to hold office than myself.
Quaker, the McCain/Palin bumper sticker was the funniest thing ever!
Where’s the “insider dealing”
A member of the board that is part of the selection process that gives a $175K grant to a group that he is director of (and his friend Mike Klonsky is co-director of). I guess that’s too nuanced for you.
Now Dave, you can’t kid an old kidder like me. “Insider dealing” is not the reason you mention Mr. Ayers name.
I’m sorry Quaker, did I accidentally say some kind of “code word” or mistakenly trigger some kind of “dog whistle”? I keep forgetting about the super-sensitive hearing of the left and their hair-trigger reaction to perceived slights or accusations.
Won’t be necessary. I already have that information. I just wanted to see you write this:
I’m glad you enjoyed it. I just hope you weren’t touching yourself while reading it.
If nothing else, the Palin pick today somewhat deflates the giant hype balloon that Obama was hoping to ride out of Denver.
Rather than the media spending the day gushing over Obama’s awesome speech, everyone is instead talking about the McCain camp.
Happy Birthday, John!
John – I agree with you 100% in everything you just wrote except for the being Republican bit.
And that conflicts NOT ONE JOT with my problem with Palin.
My problem (and the problem of many voters like me) is NOT that she herself is religious. Not even that she herself believes Young-Earth creationism to be true.
My problem is that she supports presenting Young Earth creationism to schoolchildren as a perfectly valid alternative explanation to the origin of matter and life on Earth. Crossing that line means you are explicitly in favor of the dumbening of America, regardless of your personal religious convictions.
(woops, mistyped my nick when trying to post)
John – I agree with you 100% in everything you just wrote except for the being Republican bit.
And that conflicts NOT ONE JOT with my problem with Palin.
My problem (and the problem of many voters like me) is NOT that she herself is religious. Not even that she herself believes Young-Earth creationism to be true.
My problem is that she supports presenting Young Earth creationism to schoolchildren as a perfectly valid alternative explanation to the origin of matter and life on Earth. Crossing that line means you are explicitly in favor of the dumbening of America, regardless of your personal religious convictions.
I’m sorry Quaker, did I accidentally say some kind of “code word” or mistakenly trigger some kind of “dog whistle”? I keep forgetting about the super-sensitive hearing of the left and their hair-trigger reaction to perceived slights or accusations.
Do your own research! Bwah!!
I think we can all agree, Democrat and Republican, that a day after Barack’s truly amazing speech and on the 88th Anniversary of Women’s Suffrage, that America has not a choice between the lesser of two evils, but a truly impassioned choice of values and vision.
I love this country with all my heart.
PS- That includes you Lefties too.
I want Jay and Dave and all the other Righties to post here about why they are SURE that Sarah Palin is so very very qualified.
See, you’re laboring under the mistaken assumption that Obama is somehow qualified to be president in the first place.
So my opinion is that if she were to somehow find herself thrust into the POTUS job, Palin is no less qualified than Obama would be on day one of an Obama presidency.
But see, Dave, Barack has just wrapped up a 17-month primary campaign. He has lots of allies, partners on both sides of the aisle in Congress, incredible intellect and charisma, and a huge national following.
If Sarah Palin becomes President on, say, 2/3/2009, what’s she got?
And, again, what if Great Uncle John strokes out on, say, 10/10/08?
On a lighter note, why does John keep telling us all “what he stands for?” Dude, are you running for something? You sound so very moderate and reasonable, and patriotic! I picture you as a cross between Ward Cleaver and Underdog.
See, you’re laboring under the mistaken assumption that Obama is somehow qualified to be president in the first place.
No, Dave, you are deflecting your own argument.
The dude is 47 years old and a natural born citizen. That’s the only qualification he needs
You seriously think she has as much exp. points as Obama?
Bruce,
I’ve always believed Sen. Obama was a good and decent man with the intellect and character to make a fantastic President. I am making my decision based on the values of John McCain as a strict constructionist in regards to the Constitution, his belief that “giving tax breaks” to Big Corporations makes America more competitive in the world economy (hence more jobs) and as a person who has a record of working with Democrats to get things done.
So as a Rightie (more of a Centrist looking towards the Right with a questioning eye), I have never made such challenges.
Hell, Abraham Lincoln had very little political experience, though some claim this lead to the near defeat of the Federal Army in the Civil War. But in response to *that*, Ulysses S. Grant – Savior of the Union Army – was also deeply inexperienced as a field commander. He served as a Quartermaster and Recruitment Officer before being promoted to Brigadier General and eventually to Commander of the Union Army.
It is the quality of the man, the depth of his character, and the strength of his soul that are number one in my book. I chose McCain on these grounds. Though Obama is a strong second.
“…if she were somehow to find herself thrust in to POTUS job…”
Somehow?
Dude, I don’t know if you noticed this, but John McCain is OLD.
I am making my decision based on the values of John McCain as a strict constructionist in regards to the Constitution, his belief that “giving tax breaks” to Big Corporations makes America more competitive in the world economy (hence more jobs) and as a person who has a record of working with Democrats to get things done.
You cannot be serious. Obama is a Constitutional Law professor. McCain is not a lawyer. Who here do you think REALLY knows more about the construction of the constitution and who do you think will uphold and defend it more effectively?
It is the quality of the man, the depth of his character, and the strength of his soul that are number one in my book. I chose McCain on these grounds.
That cannot make less sense.
When John McCain had the chance to “work with Democrats to get things done” in regard to torture, he chose to work with Gonzales instead. When he worked with Dems in regard to campaign finance, he wound up watering down his own bill (which he now disavows entirely). When he started flailing in the 2008 primary campaign, he jettisoned all his previously held principles to kiss Karl Rove’s and Jerry Falwell’s respective asses.
So, despite the fact that your posts read like 12th Grade “Why I Love America” essays, I must, oh so respectfully, disagree.
I mean, that’s some strength of character to not support legislation that you yourself wrote. Yessir.
Dude, I don’t know if you noticed this, but John McCain is OLD.
Old? He is? Man, I had no idea, despite reading the comments here and listening to the Obama campaign, that McCain was an old guy.
Sheesh… next you’re gonna tell me that Obama is black or something.
“Rather than the media spending the day gushing over Obama’s awesome speech, everyone is instead talking about the McCain camp.”
It certainly is a nice stunt that should get McCain through the weekend. Did anyone tell McCain, however, that after this news cycle is over he’ll still have Palin as his VP? Nice to know that McCain campaign is thinking so long term …
See, Dave, the point here is that Great Uncle John MIGHT DIE SOON. Whereas, being black is not really a sign that you MIGHT DIE SOON. As McCain might. Leaving Governor Who-the-hell? in charge. See, that’s the difference between being old and being black.