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John McCain: “Nice button. The answer is none. Although my wealthy wife does own a few.”
“Next stupid question.”
Oliver, since you’re on the ground there in Denver you might want to pass the word to the Obamessiah that he needs to try harder… the convention just started and he’s already dropping:
RASMUSSEN: Obama drops three points on start of Democratic Convention
I’m sure Bill’s speech on Wednesday will turn things around. Or maybe not.
My version: “Ask how many secret families I have.”
And this is more substantive than tire gauges and Purple Heart band-aids … how?
McCain stepped in it and you’re having your fun. WHEEEE!!!!! It’s the ultimate in a silly-season issue.
But the more you and your side continue to bang away at this to the detriment of talking about REAL issues, the more it becomes obvious that you’ve got nothing substantive to debate McCain with and you’re grasping at straws.
McCain stepped in it and you’re having your fun.
Of course the difference is that Kerry didn’t step in anything. He was just smeared by right wing assholes. Anyone remember SaveFarris when he/she loudly denounced the purple band-aids in ‘04? Me neither.
But the more you and your side continue to bang away at this to the detriment of talking about REAL issues, the more it becomes obvious that you’ve got nothing substantive to debate McCain with and you’re grasping at straws.
Yes, kind of like Dukakis in a tank, purple heart bandaids, tire gauges, etc. Whatsamatter, you don’t like when the other side does it too?
Boo-hoo. Get used to it. This is gonna sink him.
But the more you and your side continue to bang away at this to the detriment of talking about REAL issues, the more it becomes obvious that you’ve got nothing substantive to debate McCain with and you’re grasping at straws.
That’s rich!!! You sound just like a Democrat in 2000, 2004 and a month ago before we decided finally stoop to your level, meet like with like, win this fucking election and end your evil reign.
And I second Duros comment: Oh, BOO-FUCKING-HOO for the Republicans.
In this game at least, the noble high-road types lose. The only way you even give yourself a chance is to meet blow-for-blow. An all-issues campaign would be nice, but that’s just not how it works.
But the more you and your side continue to bang away at this to the detriment of talking about REAL issues,
You mean real issues like Britney and Paris?
If there has been any “banging away” done in this campaign, it has been the McCain camp hammering on the theme that Mr. Obama is “out of touch” with middle America.
Now what is that old saying about “turnabout”?
Ask me how many pseudonyms I have!
I sincerely believe Barack will run a clean campaign, but there ain’t no chance in hell he’s gonna let the right take swipes at him the way Kerry did. Especially with Biden as his wingman.
But to hear Farris whining about wanting to talk substantive issues is just too precious.
I got a pack of Vanessa’s bumper stickers on their way. How ’bout you all?
WANT
Issues?
On the economy, the McCain campaign thinks the rough economy is all in our heads, that we’ve become a nation of whiners. While a large segment of the country is scrambling to keep their homes out of foreclosure, John McCain can’t even remember how many he owns.
Pretty much sums up the McCain position. While the vast majority of the country thinks the country is on the wrong track, John McCain thinks things are going great. No reason for him to change things.
I can’t wait to see the faux outrage this will unleash.
In all fairness, I sometimes have trouble remembering how many fantasy football teams I own. Who am I to judge?
the more you and your side continue to bang away at this to the detriment of talking about REAL issues,
You mean real…REAL issues like whether Mr. McCain’s time as a POW makes him a just a hero or actually superhuman?
This is gonna sink him.
If you’re talking about Obama, then you’re right. This is a non-issue and Democrats never seem to learn. Class warfare doesn’t work anymore. It’s always, “This year is going to be different!” and it’s the same shit all over again.
You mean real issues like Britney and Paris?
You guys are talking more about that ad than the McCain camp is. The ad ran for what, a few days? The “how many houses” horse has already been beaten to a bloody pulp. Whatever mileage the Democrats could have gotten out of it is gone.
Jay again confuses his wishes with reality. They’re just upset Dems are playing on equal footing for a change.
Oh, BOO-FUCKING-HOO for the Republicans.
Oh, a pox on both your houses.
BOTH sides engage in this kind of behavior. BOTH sides object to it when the other does it and BOTH sides justify their own doing of it with “But they did it first!” and “But it was worse when they did it!”
You want to be able to claim your side takes a more principled higher road? Don’t respond to these antics with similar antics and reduce every issue down to a bumper sticker slogan. Instead of purple heart bandages or “How many houses” buttons hammer on the actual issue: McCain is not aware of how things are in the “real” world that the vast majority have to deal with (just to pick this as an example, could pick an example an anti-Obama issue as well).
But whatever you do, don’t go on about how what your side does or why they do it this is somehow different from exactly what/why the other side does.
Oh, BOO-FUCKING-HOO for the Republicans.
Oh, a pox on both your houses.
BOTH sides engage in this kind of behavior. BOTH sides object to it when the other does it and BOTH sides justify their own doing of it with “But they did it first!” and “But it was worse when they did it!”
You want to be able to claim your side takes a more principled higher road? Don’t respond to these antics with similar antics and reduce every issue down to a bumper sticker slogan. Instead of purple heart bandages or “How many houses” buttons hammer on the actual issue: McCain is not aware of how things are in the “real” world that the vast majority have to deal with (just to pick this as an example, could pick an example an anti-Obama issue as well).
But whatever you do, don’t go on about how what your side does or why they do it this is somehow different from exactly what/why the other side does.
The “how many houses” horse has already been beaten to a bloody pulp. Whatever mileage the Democrats could have gotten out of it is gone.
Your concern is so… touching.
I know you want what’s best for the Democrats, and you would do ANYTHING to help us get our message out, as long as it does not include ridicule of a guy who can’t remember where he lives, but wants to be the president.
Right?
Now, off you go, and remember to wear your helmet when you play on the swing.
Jay, as has been pointed out, the American people demand mockery of a senator married to a rich heiress. And mockery of the heiress, too.
We represent the needful voters that responded to mockery of John Kerry and Teresa Heinz Kerry. They deserve representation, too, and you seemed to have no problem with it in 2004. I don’t know why you’re complaining, now. Maybe you should have spoken up against the anti-Kerry attacks. Maybe you shouldn’t have aligned yourself with people as dispicable as the Republicans. But you’ve made your bed, and now you have to lie in it and watch as your candidate suffers and is mocked and humiliated, along with his supporters.
Class warfare doesn’t work anymore.
Lower vs. upper, not so sure about that. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
The whole “how many houses” while I agree is hogging the spotlight, goes directly against McNovocain’s charge that Obama is somehow elite and John is not.
Stop trying to soft focus the thing.
And no, I wasn’t talking about Obama. I was talking about the multimillionaire with the 7 estates and the artificial fishing hole.
Shut up! Thats why! P.O.W.! P.O.W.!
I think it’ll be funny if this push on houses ends up knocking Romney off the VP ticket. Everyone around here keeps saying how much they would love Romney as the VP to kick around. Oops!
Your concern is so… touching.
It’s got nothing to do with my concern. I welcome such idiocy from the Obama camp.
I know you want what’s best for the Democrats, and you would do ANYTHING to help us get our message out, as long as it does not include ridicule of a guy who can’t remember where he lives, but wants to be the president.
Any of those pianos you move fall on your head? Because for a National Merit Scholar, your reading comprehension skills are pretty poor.
I don’t know why you’re complaining,
I’m not complaining. I’m merely pointing out a flawed campaign strategy. They’ve been beating this drum for over a week now and it hasn’t made a dent in the polls.
But yet, if you guys want to ride, “McCain Houses!” to a crushing defeat in November, be my guest.
But you’ve made your bed, and now you have to lie in it and watch as your candidate suffers and is mocked and humiliated, along with his supporters.
Yeah. ‘Humiliated’ all the way into the White House.
As DaveinSoCal has pointed out, this All-HouseGaffe-All-The-Time has led to Obama dropping ANOTHER 2-3 points in the tracking polls. And that’s WITH him naming Biden during the stretch. So the “This is gonna sink him” meme is even more ridiculous.
Ask me how many of my brothers live in a shack.
It’s funny seeing the ‘pubs defend McCain for having 6 mistresses. Family values my ass.
You guys are talking more about that ad than the McCain camp is. The ad ran for what, a few days? The “how many houses” horse has already been beaten to a bloody pulp.
I see. The McCain camp runs with an attack that Obama is out of touch and that’s over already. The Obama camp responds–highlighting McCain’s own words–and it’s “beaten to a bloody pulp.”
We’re not playing by those rules anymore, Jay.
As far as I can tell, according to his ads, McCain has no positions on any issues other than Obama is a celebrity.
Why is everyone saying meme so much these days??? I think it’s the word of 2008.
But yet, if you guys want to ride, “McCain Houses!” to a crushing defeat in November, be my guest.
Oh, don’t worry. We’ll lead McCain to a crushing defeat with more than just the housing gaffe. You see, McCain misspeakes all the time, but for the most part the MSM doesn’t pick it up – unless we point it out for them!
Over the past several months McCain has made several blunders, but we haven’t called him out on them (well, the official Obama campaign hasn’t called him out on his blunders). If you would like examples…
McCain doesn’t know the difference between Shia and Sunni.
McCain seems to believe that Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan are interchangeable.
McCain doesn’t know basic geography and believes think Iraq and Pakistan are neighboring countries.
McCain thinks Darfur is in Somalia.
McCain thinks Vladimir Putin is the “president of Germany.”
And let’s not forget the endless flip-flops!
McCain was against torture but now he is for torture.
McCain hates Jerry Fallwell. McCain loves Jerry Fallwell.
McCain thinks Bush tax cuts for the rich are a bad idea. McCain thinks tax cuts for the rich are a great idea!
McCain supports campaign-finance reform. McCain disowns a campaign finance reform proposal with his own name on it!
McCain is both for and against overturning Roe v Wade!
etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc…
Don’t worry about us, Jay Tea. We don’t need to use the housing gaffe all the way to November. McCain is a treasure trove of errors, contradictions, lies and stupidity! All we need to do is come up with cute little catch-phrases illustrating this and then repeat them ad nauseum until November, Karl Rove style!
Can people here please learn the difference between Jay Tea and Jay?? It’s not that hard. Above comments I start, it says ‘Jay’ with a link to my blog. Above the comments Jay Tea writes, it says ‘Jay Tea’ with a link to his blog. See? Easy.
Vanessa, if you think the election is going to be won on the gaffe game, have fun. It’s funny sitting here watching Democrats sing their own version of “We’re Not Gonna Take It” and yet their chosen one, the guy who they claim was going to win EASILY in November, doesn’t even have a lead in the polls. This of course, AFTER a week of “McCain’s houses” press and Obama’s totally awful choice of a running mate.
Keep up the good work!
This button is the same “class warfare” crap that each side has been pulling on the other since the beggining of time.
I don’t care if John McCain owns 12 houses. He certainly has EARNED the privilege of enjoying a secure environment, even if grossly extravagant, around him, after serving as a POW for half a decade.
So far, at the DNC, I haven’t heard a thing about where Obama stands. I’m not alone. Carville is apparently taking note of this same face and made some high-level phone calls.
Enjoy losing in an election nobody in their right mind though the GOP could win.
Barack=McGovern/Dukakis=Bob Dole. You get my drift.
St. Louis..Kansas City…same thing.
Focus on the houses, OW.
JK
As bad as McCain’s gaffe was, I can only imagine the scorn Oliver would generate if McCain had forgotten what city he was in…
*Ask me if I’m in Kansas City
Obama “doesn’t even have a lead in the polls”
Oh Jay/Jay Tea,
Stop watching Faux News.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
Oops! My mistake!
Obama is up 3% according to Faux News.
Vanessa, my current package with Dish Network doesn’t include Fox News and besides, I wouldn’t watch it anyway. In fact, when I watched the forum at Saddleback Church, it was the first time in about 3 years that I watched cable news.
In addition, you need to learn a little more about polling. There’s this thing called a margin of error. And by utilizing that very important aspect of data polling, Obama does not lead.
I can only imagine the scorn Oliver would generate if McCain had forgotten what city he was in…
When I traveled a lot as a rock band roadie, I often forgot where I was, because all hotel rooms look alike.
I NEVER forgot how many houses I owned.
Be honest with us. Have YOU ever forgotten (or never knew) how many houses you owned? If a close relative forgot how many houses he or she owned, would you consider that “normal” or would you be concerned?
Do you think a man whose wife makes all the money and the house buying decisions and makes him sign a pre-nup is a “leader?” I don’t know about you, but it would be quite a statement about my marriage if my wife bought houses that didn’t feel that she had to tell me about.
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Vanessa, my current package with Dish Network doesn’t include Fox News
Welcome to the wonderful world of digital distribution.
I wouldn’t watch it anyway.
I have no way of verifying this one way or the other.
Obama does not lead.
He will when word of McCain’s concubines gets out.
I don’t care if John McCain owns 12 houses. He certainly has EARNED the privilege of enjoying a secure environment, even if grossly extravagant, around him, after serving as a POW for half a decade.
So what you’re saying is that ALL POWs deserve a dozen houses? Apparently, St. McCain disagrees
I’m merely pointing out a flawed campaign strategy.
Not quite. Out-of-touch, rather clueless Senators trying to take themselves and their heriress wives all the way to the white house open themselves up to public ridicule and attacks. Attacks which you, for all your touching outrage, supported 4 years ago. McCain, due to his history of political and moral failures in aligning himself with the Bush administration, has opened himself up to such attacks, and his supporters open themselves up to the same ridicule for supporting such a fool and having supported such attacks on the wife of a previous senator who ran for president.
You’re only complaining about these attacks now because the target is a Republican. But, hey, turnabout is fair play, and the public ridicule McCain and his supporters must suffer now is only deserved payback for their past sins. America’s not going to elect and out of touch guy who can’t keep track of how many houses he owns or have any interest in his taking on his heiress wife as a first lady. That may seem unfair to you, but that’s life, and he’s going to get ripped for it every day, and his supporters are going to be ridiculed for their bad judgment.
He certainly has EARNED the privilege of enjoying a secure environment, even if grossly extravagant, around him, after serving as a POW for half a decade.
Should all the other POWs be issued houses then? Didn’t they “earn” seven houses just as much as McCain did, or is it pro-rated, 1.4 houses per year of confinement? Does the government provide these houses, or is each former POW expected to find his own rich mistress?
It was my impression that McCain had an affair with a much younger woman and dumped his first wife for the mistress, who had a lot of money and bought those houses with her inheritance. Had you heard that too?
Where in all that did he “earn” seven houses? By providing stud services while married to another woman? Does five years in a cell entitle you to cheat on your wife? How long after release is that dispensation good for? (Not for me, of course, but I have a friend doing a nickel at San Quentin.)
Perhaps our definitions of the word “earn” differ. How did YOU mean to use it?
It’s funny seeing the ‘pubs defend McCain for having 6 mistresses. Family values my ass.
I’ve been seeing this for a couple of days now. Can someone throw me a link? What’s that about?
He certainly has EARNED the privilege of enjoying a secure environment, even if grossly extravagant, around him, after serving as a POW for half a decade.
Was he a POW? I didn’t know that.
*rolls eyes*
Ugh. So tired of trying to explain this to pro-McCain pea-brains.
OK, here goes — the “Dude, Where Are My Mansions?” story isn’t simple class warfare or resentment. It came about after a concerted effort by Team McCain to paint Obama as a latte-slurping elitist, out of touch, “that guy at the country club,” etc.
Lo and behold, it’s McCain who’s actually ultra-wealthy, lives lavishly, and is more likely to be seen at the country club or resort than Obama. Sure, he and Michelle have done very well in America (something they’ve said repeatedly), but they ain’t mega-wealthy like Johnathan Sidney McCain III. He’s not a man of the people. And there’s no crime in that, but here we go kids — it’s the _hypocrisy_ of McCain that’s the issue. He accused Obama of being the very thing _that he is_. Simple as that.
And with this understanding, the button is brilliant. Just put an image of it up on my own site, thank you very much OW.
I’ve been seeing this for a couple of days now. Can someone throw me a link? What’s that about?
Think about it, why would McCain need 7 houses unless he needs to house 7 families?
Are Democrats really trying to make Mistresses an issue right now? Really?!? Have we learned nothing from Reilly Hunter?
Are Democrats really trying to make Mistresses an issue right now?
1. No, it’s just me.
2. 7 at once, though?
Are Democrats really trying to make Mistresses an issue right now?
First off, it’s just me. Secondly, 7 at once, though?
When I traveled a lot as a rock band roadie, I often forgot where I was,
Acid will do that to you.
If a close relative forgot how many houses he or she owned, would you consider that “normal” or would you be concerned?
Who the hell cares? A buddy of mine dated a woman that was loaded. Her father couldn’t tell you how many bathrooms they had in their house. Concerned. Good lord.
Do you think a man whose wife makes all the money and the house buying decisions and makes him sign a pre-nup is a “leader?”
Oh so now McCain’s not a leader because he signed a pre-nup and his wife has investment properties? Man, this goes beyond dumb. Way out there dumb. Like Pluto dumb.
I have no way of verifying this one way or the other.
I really could care less whether you believe me or not.
Attacks which you, for all your touching outrage, supported 4 years ago.
I’m not outraged. I’m amused. Oh and make up your minds. I thought Bush won in 2004 because of the Swift Boat guys? Now you’re saying Bush won because of attacks on Kerry and his wife. Which is it?
McCain, due to his history of political and moral failures in aligning himself with the Bush administration, has opened himself up to such attacks, and his supporters open themselves up to the same ridicule for supporting such a fool and having supported such attacks on the wife of a previous senator who ran for president.
Oooh. Scary!
You’re only complaining about these attacks now because the target is a Republican.
Like I said, I’m not complaining. Keep it up.
America’s not going to elect and out of touch guy who can’t keep track of how many houses he owns or have any interest in his taking on his heiress wife as a first lady.
Right and we also heard that America wasn’t going to elect a drunken frat boy son of a former President in 2000 and that America wouldn’t re-elect a drunken frat boy warmongering draft dodger in 2004. Republicans believed there was no way America was going to elect a philandering cracker from a pissant state like Arkansas in 1992 either.
But like I said, keep it coming.
Well, Jay, you did think the attacks on Kerry’s wife were a good idea, and you and her cohort thought they were valid. America, apparently, agreed. What can I say? The evidence is on our side that the attacks are effective, and your claim that they aren’t good attacks might be amusing, but it hardly makes any sense.
For someone like you, who enthusiastically participated in a movement involved in mocking Kerry and his wife, I find your problems with the attacks on McCain now to be rather difficult to take seriously. THe mockery of a presidential candidate and in wife was part and parcel of YOUR ideological movement. Embrace it, don’t criticize it. Don’t you want to see the same people who didn’t like a presidential candidate with a rich wife represented in this cycle, just as they were represented in the last cycle? Aren’t YOU part of that same constituency? Why are you lashing out at the same constituency that helped Bush get elected 4 years ago?
Or maybe you just don’t like seeing your buffoonish Republican candidate getting ridiculed, and being forced to be outed as the fool you are for supporting such a morally bereft bumbler. Seriously– the dude says “I’ll hav e my staff get back to you” when he’s asked how many homes he owns. You want this dude to run the country? I can tell why you’re pissed off– you’re realizing that people are laughing at YOU when they’re laughing at McCain.
Tyro, attacking the French-ish Lady that makes ketchup is one thing. But if you think you can go after the lady that “brings us beer”… (and this is coming from a non-drinker).
Acid will do that to you.
40 years of roadying for the same band, and I missed four shows, none because of drugs. In 1968, Bill Graham threw me out of the Fillmore West, although afterward he went out of his way to be friendly.
In 1974 we blew the engine on our truck, and after missing three shows and getting it repaired, I drove 1100 miles straight to catch the tour.
My reputation as a roadie is unblemished, I NEVER let the band down, the guys knew I would die before letting them down, and you do not know SHIT about me. When some drunk/stoned biker had to be removed from the stage, would you want to be the guy walking out there to do it?
I earned respect from people whose opinions I value, and I earned it the hard way. I never missed a day of work for any reason, I did whatever it took to get the job done, and the job got done. Every time. Without fail.
What the f*ck are YOU proud of in your life? Did you ever do anything hard or remotely frightening? I’m dying to know, because you seem to have a low opinion of me, but you haven’t exposed a centimeter of who you are or what you have done with your life.
A buddy of mine dated a woman that was loaded. Her father couldn’t tell you how many bathrooms they had in their house.
Ah. How did you find this out? Did the man volunteer that he didn’t know, or did someone ask him? If someone asked him, what was the purpose of the question? If he volunteered it, why?
Why does this sound like an urban legend? Is it because it is an empty, unsupported statement that requires me to believe someone who has earned no credibility?
Could be.
Oh so now McCain’s not a leader because he signed a pre-nup and his wife has investment properties?
Work on your comprehension. That’s not the REASON, that’s a SYMPTOM. I have no idea, really, why McCain has no leadership skills, any more than I understand why he had such bad luck keeping aircraft in the sky. Just part of who he is, I guess.
Repack, take a pill. I was joking.
What the f*ck are YOU proud of in your life? Did you ever do anything hard or remotely frightening? I’m dying to know
I’m sure you would, but you see, I don’t feel the need to blather on about myself in the comments section of a blog in order to gain a better sense of self worth. I find such navel gazing rather lame.
Ah. How did you find this out? Did the man volunteer that he didn’t know, or did someone ask him? If someone asked him, what was the purpose of the question? If he volunteered it, why?
It came up in a conversation they were having. This happened nearly 15 years ago and we all got a good laugh out of it. But to you, there should have been “concern.”
Why does this sound like an urban legend? Is it because it is an empty, unsupported statement that requires me to believe someone who has earned no credibility?
Like I said to Zython earlier, I don’t give a rat’s ass if you believe me or not.
Work on your comprehension. That’s not the REASON, that’s a SYMPTOM.
Don’t talk to me about comprehension. Work on your writing skills. If you’re saying it’s a symptom, then say so. Otherwise, your question implies it is THE REASON.
Work on your writing skills.
I had a book published, and I worked as a magazine editor for ten years. Have you ever been PAID for your writing skills?
I had a book published, and I worked as a magazine editor for ten years.
And you leap tall buildings in a single bound. Who the hell cares?
jay don’t waste your breath.
Repack here is like the 60 year old who once caught a touchdown pass in high school, and that was the high point of his life.
Seriously repack, just make the argument about the point at hand. It is getting almost embarrassing listening to you say things like your “career” as a “roadie” was unbemlished.
Talk about damning someone with faint praise…..
Yea, I know, you have a loving family too…Mazeltov
Tyro, attacking the French-ish Lady that makes ketchup is one thing. But if you think you can go after the lady that “brings us beer”… (and this is coming from a non-drinker).
Wow. Your redeemed yourself with that comment…
Have ever been to France? This is a ridiculous debate anyway, but since you brought it up I gotta say that there’s not much ketchup in France. It’s kind of an all-American blue-collar condiment.
I have a special loathing for people who say they don’t hear what the candidate’s positions are in the issues when almost every speaker tonight said what Obama’s position is (tax cut for middle class, investment in green/clean tech to provide jobs, etc.) or you could go to his fucking website and see what his damn position is.
Who the frack on Obama’s campaign is taking a phone call from James Carville. The guy doesn’t know dick.
Or, for that matter, there is this here non-partisan and shill-free version. You have to have been in solitary confinement for the past several months (or just have a rather relaxed attitude toward truth) to be at all interested in politics and claim you don’t know the general positions of both candidates.
I think when Repack brings up his biography it’s usually to illustrate what a dumbass point Jay just made. As we get older, like me, we often use stories from our life experiences to rebut arguments, or emphasize a point. It’s not navel-gazing, it’s wisdom-sharing.
And sometimes he does it in response to gratuitous insults.
Repack has an interesting life story and there’s nothing wrong with using anecdotes from it to buttress his arguments. Kind of like having a buddy who dated a rich girl. We use these stories because we have more of them.
Oh, and Jay? The other day someone made a remark about JWG “not being allowed within 100 feet of a school.” According to you, that was “unacceptable,” because there was no evidence of pedophilia.
Today, it’s so very witty to accuse someone of illegal drug use without evidence.
Practice what you preach, and you’ll be taken more seriously.
But the more you and your side continue to bang away at this to the detriment of talking about REAL issues,
No reason you can’t do both.
The fact is that our media eats up “symbolism” crap, and they have for a long time. The Republicans figured that out long ago. Obama seems to be the first Democrat on the national stage to do so.
But I find it hysterical that the party of flag pins, “terrorist fist jabs,” and flight suits is whining about things being mere symbolism.
I think when Repack brings up his biography it’s usually to illustrate what a dumbass point Jay just made.
No, he brings up his life story to lend validity to whatever point he made and that’s a logical fallacy. Responding to, “You wrote something incorrectly” with, “Well I had a book published and edited a magazine for 10 years” is variation of the fallacy of appealing to authority. “I know I am right because so and so said the same thing.”
As we get older, like me, we often use stories from our life experiences to rebut arguments, or emphasize a point. It’s not navel-gazing, it’s wisdom-sharing.
Unfortunately, he’s not sharing wisdom with anybody. He’s boasting and then attempting to have a dick measuring comments by laying out his resume and saying, “What have you done that tops this???”
People share wisdom when they use examples of their life experience to help illustrate their overall point of view, not to beat somebody over the head with and say, “I’ve done this so there!”
You mean kinda like how McCain is always bringing up the POW thing?
it’s the _hypocrisy_ of McCain that’s the issue. He accused Obama of being the very thing _that he is_. Simple as that.
Republican projection at its finest.
Today, it’s so very witty to accuse someone of illegal drug use without evidence.
Right. Because making a crack (no pun intended) about somebody using drugs is the same as claiming somebody sexual abuses children.
No, not EXACTLY the same, Jay. Geez, why does everything have to be so black and white with you guys? But, it’s (in both cases) sometimes called “bearing false witness” to accuse a person of a crime without evidence, degree of seriousness of the crime notwithstanding.
By the way, both are felonies in most states.
“He’s boasting… by laying out his resume and saying, “what have you done that tops this?”
Like McCain.
Repack here is like the 60 year old who once caught a touchdown pass in high school, and that was the high point of his life.
Funny. You insult me, and if I defend myself, this is what I get.
At least I caught one. Check that. I had a long career and caught a lot of touchdowns. I hold a couple of touchdown records. You’re like the cheerleader who wishes he was tough enough to be on the team, and covers his inability by putting down the guys who are.
But since my life is so empty and worthless, why don’t you tell us
about ONE thing you did that you’re proud of.
One.
Prediction: because he has a big zero on his resume, Jay will scoff and tell us that he won’t play that game. All he can do is insult other people’s experiences without revealing why he is qualified to do so.
Those grapes are pretty sour, aren’t they Jay? It must suck to be you, and I’m glad that’s a problem we don’t share.
Again, dude, you the man.
When the threads get this long (90 comments or so and counting) I tend to just scan. But I must say, I stop to read what Repack and Jay tend to write. Repack’s because he makes his points well and they are interesting. Jay’s because you don’t often see someone so consistently just not get it.
OMG I was joking about the touchdowns
Stop, please.
Any achievements in my life are meaningless to you, as you will simply claim them to be a lie. Why bother? After all, they are mine, and your acclaim or criticism is meaningless to me, or any political argument I might make.
Shorter duh: Please love me and think I’m smart!
Seriously, let McCain blow his own horn about his POW status. At his age, that’s the only way it’ll get blown. Jay, YOU know what I’m talking about…tell them. Come on…you remember…that LITTLE problem you and McCain share? Don’t worry, Palin will only help. I saw how John checked out her ass during her speech. You two really favor asses. Your secret is safe with me!