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About That Iraqi Timetable

August 22nd, 2008 Iraq 22 Comments

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Congratulations, Republicans, on coming around to the Democratic position. Had we never engaged in this idiocy in the first place or changed direction when it was necessary, a lot more Americans and Iraqis would be alive today.

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22 Responses to “About That Iraqi Timetable”

1. JWG says:

   August 22, 2008 at 4:29 pm

   Wow. Now the democrat’s position was to win the fight before we left? When did that happen?
2. SpiderJ says:

   August 22, 2008 at 4:43 pm

   Huh, I missed the part of Condi’s proposal that says “We will have won the fight by 2012.”

   I mean, if that was the plan all along, maybe they could have shared that with the rest of us back in 2003.
3. Quaker in a Basement says:

   August 22, 2008 at 5:00 pm

   How long ago was it that George Bush was saying how irresponsible it is to talk about timetables for withdrawal?

   April 27, 2007:

   _ “And if the Congress wants to test my will as to whether or not I’ll accept the timetable for withdrawal, I won’t accept one. I just don’t think it’s in the interest of our troops. I think it — I’m just envisioning what it would be like to be a young soldier in the middle of Iraq and realizing that politicians have all of a sudden made military determinations. And in my judgment, that would put a kid in harm’s way, more so than he or she already is.”

   So why is George Bush now willing to “put a kid in harm’s way”? Did we accomplish something within the last 90 days that I missed?
4. Parthenon says:

   August 22, 2008 at 5:03 pm

   Year and ninety days. And possibly, though I’m doubtful. We haven’t accomplished dirt until the surge is over and it’s still relatively secure. A broken arm ain’t healed until the cast is off and you can throw a baseball.
5. Quaker in a Basement says:

   August 22, 2008 at 5:03 pm

   Urk! That quote is from a bit more than 90 days back. However, Bush’s position didn’t change much:

   July 15, 2008:

   _ “There’s a temptation to let the politics at home get in the way with the considered judgment of the commanders. That’s why I strongly rejected an artificial timetable of withdrawal. It’s kind of like an arbitrary thing, you know — ‘We will decide in the halls of Congress how to conduct our affairs in Iraq based upon polls and politics, and we’re going to impose this on people’ — as opposed to listening to our commanders and our diplomats, and listening to the Iraqis, for that matter.”
6. JWG says:

   August 22, 2008 at 5:19 pm

   I’m hoping this isn’t going to end up being another example of you guys really being this dumb, but rather just trying to stir things up. It was irresponsible to promote timetables while we were still trying to defeat the major elements of violence and training the Iraqis to take care of it themselves. It should be obvious to even the leftists that we would eventually plan for a withdrawal.

   Remember when you all would ask, “Since we’re winning can be bring the troops home now?” The answer is yes.
7. JWG says:

   August 22, 2008 at 5:20 pm

   By the way…from what I have seen of the plan, the withdrawal will remain contingent on the local conditions — which is not what the Left wanted.
8. Oliver Willis says:

   August 22, 2008 at 5:49 pm

   Well if “the Left” is Barack Obama, then that’s exactly what he’s said. And you guys have been arguing versus a timeline for withdrawl for years until now, then its okay. Here’s a mirror:

   
9. Jay says:

   August 22, 2008 at 5:57 pm

   Here we go with goal post moving again. If they had come around to the “Democratic position” we would have tucked our tail between our legs two years ago and ran not caring what the hell happened.

   Let’s remember that Obama was saying in February that we should start taking our troops out of Iraq in May……of 2007. Because there was “no military solution to the war.”

   Harry Reid in April of 2007 said “I believe that this war is lost and this surge is not accomplishing anything.”

   There was that pathetic and disgusting ad put out by the left wing loons at MoveOn.org that called General David Petraeus, “General Betray Us” and accused him of “cooking the books” for the Bush administration.

   The Democratic position has been nothing but one of defeat. And the administration and John McCain have consistently said that no discussions about time lines is of any use until conditions on the ground are stable and political goals could move forward and that is what has happened.
10. Sean D. Martin says:

    August 22, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    George Bush:
    I’m just envisioning what it would be like to be a young soldier in the middle of Iraq and realizing that politicians have all of a sudden made military determinations.

    He’d have to envision/imagine what it would be like to be a young soldier in a war zone since he made damned sure its something he’d never have to experience first hand.

    And which non-politician was it, exactly, that made the military decision to invade Iraq in the first place?

    George Bush:
    There’s a temptation to let the politics at home get in the way with the considered judgment of the commanders.

    Again, just when did Bush listen to the considered judgment of his commanders that invading Iraq was not a good idea?

    Gods! The level of willful self-deception and delusion this guy is capable of is simply unfathomable.
11. Zython says:

    August 22, 2008 at 6:19 pm

    It should be obvious to even the leftists that we would eventually plan for a withdrawal.

    “100 years” McCain would suggest otherwise.

    If they had come around to the “Democratic position” we would have tucked our tail between our legs two years ago and ran not caring what the hell happened.

    This is funny coming from a guy who can’t even defend himself on a blog comments section.
12. JWG says:

    August 22, 2008 at 6:23 pm

    you guys have been arguing versus a timeline for withdrawl for years until now

    I’m starting to think that you are actually stupid enough to believe that the Republicans planned on keeping 150,000 troops in Iraq forever. The reality is that Republicans wanted the American military to win the war. Democrats wanted Bush to lose the war. It looks like we found out whose plan worked better. You’ll just have to learn to live with the fact that America didn’t run away.
13. JWG says:

    August 22, 2008 at 6:24 pm

    “100 years” McCain would suggest otherwise.

    Yes, the stupidity of the lefists fully revealed.
14. Zython says:

    August 22, 2008 at 6:30 pm

    Yes, the stupidity of the lefists fully revealed.

    Well, as McCain himself said:

    Make it a hundred…As long as Americans are not being injured or harmed or wounded or killed.

    Well, Americans are no longer being injured, harmed, wounded, or killed, right. 1 down, 99 to go.

    Also, there’s still the issue of the costs of the war. Lessee…

    $560 billion
    4,000 American troops dead
    600,000 Iraqis dead

    Will that be cash or charge?
15. JWG says:

    August 22, 2008 at 6:42 pm

    As has been pointed out before: Obviously Zython will be demanding the US withdraw from Japan and Germany immediately. We have been occupying them for over 60 years. Stupid leftists.
16. PD100 says:

    August 22, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    “Obviously Zython will be demanding the US withdraw from Japan and Germany immediately. We have been occupying them for over 60 years. Stupid leftists.”

    If you ever bothered to put on your little used thinking cap you might have noticed that EIGHTY percent of Okinawans demand the U.S. leave yesterday.
17. SpiderJ says:

    August 23, 2008 at 12:47 am

    Democrats wanted Bush to lose the war. It looks like we found out whose plan worked better. You’ll just have to learn to live with the fact that America didn’t run away.

    Yes, yes, and Democrats want al-Qaida to take over America and cut off the heads of our children.

    And today Iraq is the beacon of democracy, the foothold in the Middle East, that we always wanted it to be. America’s presence in Iraq was instrumental in saving the lives of the thousands of Iraqis who weren’t horribly killed like the other thousands of Iraqis.

    But hooray for us winning. Yay.

    What did we win, again?
18. Bruce Henry says:

    August 23, 2008 at 6:27 am

    We won! We won a new ally for Iran, and a new Shiite dictatorship-in-waiting, US-trained and US-armed, to scare the shit out our old Sunni allies. Yessir, this victory ought to work out just great! And now that we’ve won, look how low our energy prices are! And all at such a low cost! Aren’t those neocons smart?
    The brilliant Bush strategy was to get us stuck in a quagmire. The brilliant Bush/McCain surge strategy was to spend an additional 1000 lives to fight our way out of the quagmire.
    And the saddest part is that they won’t learn from this, any more than they did from Vietnam. In a few years this country will be off on another Imperial adventure, using the same old redwhiteblue slogans.
19. Scratch says:

    August 23, 2008 at 9:01 am

    PD100…

    If you ever bothered to put on your little used thinking cap you might have noticed that EIGHTY percent of Okinawans demand the U.S. leave yesterday.

    We have people in OUR OWN CITIES who want our troops out of OUR OWN BASES. What’s your point?
20. Duros Hussein 62 says:

    August 23, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Once again, it seems that Obama has taken office already. At one point he says if we know there are bad guys in Pakistan and the Pakistanis don’t do anything about it, we should. Criticized for being naive and (this is so funny) “wanting to invade a sovereign nation”, that’s exactly what the CIA did a few months later. Here we see Obama calling for troops to be withdrawn – contingent on conditions on the ground and with the advice and judgement of commanders – by the end of 2010. A position Iraq agrees with and stands behind.

    Now the White House is taking the same position.

    Coincidence? I think NOT.
21. Duros Hussein 62 says:

    August 23, 2008 at 9:56 am

    Let the healing begin!
22. Bruce Henry says:

    August 23, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    What happened to Jay, Jay Tea, jmccann, and JWG? Where are your responses to Duros 62?
    By the way, I think they are all the same guy. Call me a conspiracy buff.
    Anyone? Anyone at all?