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So is former POW Orson Swindle a liar too?
This is pretty pathetic stuff dude.
Well according to you guys in ‘04 a bunch of Vets who didn’t know John Kerry knew his war record better than the guys who actually served on the boat with him, so — as Fox News would say – who knows?
The “on the same boat” canard was a load of horseshit at the time — for one, Swift boats only had one officer, so any other officer by definition never served on the same boat with him.
But here’s the fun part, Oliver — what’s your evidence that it’s a lie? McCain said it happened. Another guy says he heard the story before “The Gulag Archipelago” was released. Pending some evidence that they are lying, I’d have to say that you’re just pulling shit out of your ass and flinging it, hoping it’ll stick.
Hell, even Obama praises McCain’s service. Pity you can’t follow his example.
What’s that line from Jim Steinman?
“there’s desperation in the air
It leaves a stain on all your clothes
And no detergent gets it out”
J.
So is former POW Orson Swindle a liar too?
With a name like “Swindle”, I’d check his sources.
Swindle says he “vaguely” remembered McCain telling him about this incident, hardly a rock-solid verification. He’s also on record as supporting McCain, so he’s hardly an unbiased observer.
Swindle says he “vaguely” remembered McCain telling him about this incident, hardly a rock-solid verification. He’s also on record as supporting McCain, so he’s hardly an unbiased observer.
Oh yeah but there’s LOADS of evidence suggesting McCain made it up right? And considering the accusations are coming from left wing asshats, you shouldn’t be talking about bias.
“And considering the accusations are coming from left wing asshats…”
Actually, these accusations started, in 2005, with the right wing asshats at freerepublic.com.
“Hell, even Obama praises McCain’s service. Pity you can’t follow his example.”
Except apparently “praise his service” is defined to mean “believe each and every word coming out of St. McBBQ’s mouth, including the ones that directly contradict what he said last week, and don’t dare question him on anything because don’t you know he was a (snif) POW??!?”
Speaking of “praising service” here’s ultra-patriot and super-soldier Orson Swindle a few weeks ago re: Wes Clark:
“General Clark probably wouldn’t get that much praise from this group. I can’t speak for them, but we all know that General Clark, as high-ranking as he is, his record in his last command I think was somewhat less than stellar.”
Way to respect that service, Swindler!
Why couldn’t McCain have made it up? The names of the football linemen he gave the Vietnamese change depending on the state he’s campaigning in.
I can’t believe I actually defended the Obamaa against the “whitey” tape and “secret Muslim” and the “no valid birth certificate” bullshit.
Rather, I can’t believe I defended them here.
Here’s an utterly trivial, purely petty, 100% childish reason to vote for McCain this November:
So Oliver and people who fight politics like Oliver will be defeated once again.
Any candidate who inspires these kinds of crass, vulgar, absolutely unscrupulous, unethical, and “subhuman” (thanks, Strowbridge, for the great word) attacks needs to be closely examined, and those kinds of supporters need to be beaten down, and beaten down thoroughly.
“John McCain’s mother sued his ex-wife!”
John McCain’s wife has a secret half-sister!”
“John McCain might have made up a story about his five and a half years as a POW!”
Back when the Edwards story broke, Oliver took the opportunity to denigrate the NationaL Enquirer, doing so as late as June 29 to take a swipe at them. (”The Daily Telegraph is using National Enquirer rules on this story.”) Now, he’s pulling precisely the kind of “tabloid journalism” in what can only be a frantic effort to throw as much ashit at McCain as he can and hope some of it will stick.
Did your guy really, really stink that much on Saturday night with Reverend Warren? Oh, yeah, I don’t think you even mentioned that even in passing, so I guess he did. No wonder you’re trying so hard to get people to talk about anything else.
J.
Shoerer Jay Tea: We can dish it out, but we sure as hell can’t take it.
As I said, I rejected the “whitey tape” and “cryptic Muslim” and “not born an American” crocks against the Obamas. And I was hardly alone among Obama’s detractors who did the same. Yes, I want Obama defeated, but I want him beaten for the RIGHT reasons. I have no stomach for a “dirty” win. There are plenty of reasons for rejecting Obama without having to make up shit or smear his family.
Hell, back in 2004 John McCain himself stood up for John Kerry against the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth — something I disagreed with, but respected.
For all the good it did him. He should have remembered the words of wisdom of Joseph Stalin: “gratitude is a disease of dogs.”
Principle? What’s that? Integrity? Never heard of it. Common human decency? Damned uncommon around these parts.
If it hurts McCain, that’s all that matters. It can be untrue, utterly unfounded, or completely irrelevant to whether or not he should be president — as long as it can make McCain look bad, it’s good enough for Oliver and crew.
Amazing. For all the ranting and raving about Karl Rove, you’ve managed to morph into a half-rate version of what you describe him to be. Just, you know, without the effectiveness.
J.
Reverse Ace McBush is a pathetic lying piece of shit. He seems to think he’s owed the Presidency because of his failure as a Naval Aviator. Getting shot down because he didn’t feel like evading the missile he knew was coming was a FAILURE, not heroic. He was the best damn Naval Aviator the North Vietnamese had.
Rotter,
“Vaguely”? Bah. Got your talking points from Olbermann eh? How about the full quote…
“I recall John telling that story when we first got together in 1971, when were talking about every conceivable thing that had ever happened to us when we were in prison” Swindle told me a few minutes ago. “Most of us had been kept apart or in small groups. Then, in 1970, they moved us into the big cell. And when we all got to see each other and talk to each other directly, instead of tapping through walls, we had 24 hours a day, seven days a week to talk to each other, and we shared stories. I vaguely recall that story being told, among other stories.”
“I remember it from prison,” Swindle continued. “There were several stories similar to that in which guards — a very few, I might add — showed compassion to the prisoners. It was rare, and I never met one, but some of the guys did.”
And Merl, who thinks they’re “owed” the presidency? Why it was just the other day that Scary Pelosi called Barry “a leader that God has blessed us with at this time.”…Project a little?
Man you folks are desperate.
“‘Vaguely’? Bah.”
William, are you suggesting that Rotter mischaracterized Swindle’s statement? Because it looks to me from reading the text you quoted that Swindle did indeed use the word vaguely, as in: “I vaguely recall that story being told, among other stories.”
And Jay Tea, WTF:
There are plenty of reasons for rejecting Obama without having to make up shit or smear his family. Hell, back in 2004 John McCain himself stood up for John Kerry against the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth — something I disagreed with, but respected.
So there a lot of legitimate reasons for opposing Obama but the only way to defeat Kerry was to smear his military record? Really? I had no idea Kerry was that strong a candidate.
Any candidate who inspires these kinds of crass, vulgar, absolutely unscrupulous, unethical, and “subhuman” (thanks, Strowbridge, for the great word) attacks needs to be closely examined, and those kinds of supporters need to be beaten down, and beaten down thoroughly.
Can we expect you to beat yourself down thoroughly anytime soon? What else can you do after writing something as unscrupulous, unethical as this:
Well, the current spin after the joint interviews of both candidates at the Saddleback Church is that John McCain might very well have cheated and heard some of the questions asked of Barack Obama.
It’s understandable. After all, in 2004 John Kerry was caught cheating at one debate, and nothing ever came of that.
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/08/19/the-real-question-after-saddleback.php
John Kerry was caught cheating at a debate and it was ignored? Seriously? The moron you linked was forced to retract his accusation after Fox News, of all places, ran enhanced video footage of Kerry removing, gasp, a pen from his pocket before the debate. the poor guy had to post an update after Saddleback because morons like you started linking to the post as evidence that “Kerry cheated”:
UPDATE: Some sites have linked to this URL in the past few days with a reference that John Kerry “cheated” during the 2004 debates. As the original post attempted to make clear with updates, Kerry did not cheat, rather broke the technical rules outlined by both parties prior to the debate by bringing in a pen. Since this truth is apparently still getting mangled, I’ll add this statement: John Kerry did not cheat in the 2004 debate.
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001054.php
So has the self-flagellation begun or do you give yourself an out for sheer stupidity?
“I can’t believe I actually defended the Obamaa against the “whitey” tape and “secret Muslim” and the “no valid birth certificate” bullshit.”
Wait, you defended obama against the whitey tape? Really?
As hoaxes go, it wasn’t too bad a one. It had, at its core, a certain plausibility — Michelle Obama is on record of saying some rather unpleasant things (I’m thinking of the “for the first time in my adult life, I’m proud of my country” remark), as well as a long association with a church that has become infamous for its leaders saying similar things. So it was not completely out of left field (so to speak).
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/06/16/genesis-of-a-smear.php
What a rousing, soul-stirring defense, Jay Tea.
fafaroo,
Swindle didn’t JUST say that he vaguely remembered. He said “I recall”, “I remember”, and “I vaguely recall”.
As Riehl said,
“What is quite well known beyond ANY shadow of a doubt is that Senator John McCain spent five years in captivity for serving his country during which time he was brutalized to such a severe extent that he still carries the scars and handicap from that captivity.
What is also well known beyond any shadow of a doubt is that Senator Barack Obama had some form of long-standing tie to an unrepentant domestic terrorist – but we can’t know the extent of those ties because the Richard J. Daley Library of the University of Illinois at Chicago is blocking access to the records of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
And all…a significant number of new media members on the Left care about is whether or not a North Vietnamese prison guard drew a cross in the sand with a stick some 40 years ago?”
Pathetic.
“And all…a significant number of new media members on the Left care about is whether or not a North Vietnamese prison guard drew a cross in the sand with a stick some 40 years ago?”
Yeah. That’s ALL we care about. You know if you want to parse Swindle’s comments — he only said vaguely once so his recollections are solid and Rotter’s a liar! — you might not want to quote someone who’s also distorting a controversy for his own ends.
At the same time, Stanley Kurtz’s bullshit about the U of I library contains one of conservatism’s most cherished sentences when spreading a smear: “I cannot say for certain that we are dealing with a politically motivated cover-up, but it seems like a very real possibility.”
In other words, I have absolutely no evidence to prove my claim but I suspect I am correct anyway.
In other words, I have absolutely no evidence to prove my claim but I suspect I am correct anyway.
Hilarious. Absolutely hilarious. Here we have the left wing of the blogosphere (and people in this thread) spreading a smear they have ZERO EVIDENCE to support and you write this?
Dude, I hereby salute your BALLS. Because you’ve got one hell of a pair.
“as long as it can make McCain look bad, it’s good enough for Oliver and crew.
Wingnuts should have never lowered the bar in the first place, now they’re being beaten over the head with it.
I’m not entirely certain what the conservative’s problem is. I thought they’d established the ground rules for how the political process treats a candidate’s military service back in 2004.
“Dude, I hereby salute your BALLS. Because you’ve got one hell of a pair.”
Jay, if I might borrow one of your favorite tactics — the classic Reading Comprehension Gambit – where exactly have I argued in support of a smear in this thread?
At the same time, here you are, once again, suggesting the right is beyond criticism because the left isn’t populated by angels.
I have a post awaiting moderation above, but in the meantime, please see this recent post from Jay Tea, who’s got himself all in a lather about smearing political candidates without proof: http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/08/19/the-real-question-after-saddleback.php
Follow the link at the end of the following sentence: “It’s understandable. After all, in 2004 John Kerry was caught cheating at one debate, and nothing ever came of that.”
When you get back, I expect you will not spare Jay Tea your moral wrath for continuing to spread a smear four years after it was proven false. Right?
And might I add, the controversy about the cross in the sand story is a clear example of the right’s chickens coming home to roost. They have spent the last ten years perfecting this kind of smear tactic and so have no grounds on which to criticize it.
True enough, fafaroo.
If, by “spent the last ten years perfecting this kind of smear tactic,” you mean “actually getting at least one person to go on the record and say that the candidate’s story is bogus” or “finding even the slightest evidence to back up the accusation.”
Just making up shit entirely out of whole cloth, with not a single person to go on the record or the tiniest bit of physical evidence or even finding the most insignificant flaw in the original story being “debunked” is definitely not the work of the folks who’ve spent ten years “perfecting” a technique. I mean, hell, at least Dan Rather had the fake Texas Air National Guard memos, and John Kerry had to eat crow about his “Christmas in Cambodia” fantasy when folks noticed that he could NOT have been ordered there by Nixon, as he was still a month out of office.
So come on, rookies. You say John McCain made up the story of the sympathetic camp guard? What you got to back that up, besides big mouths and no brains?
(crickets)
I thought so.
Goddamned amateurs. No wonder you keep getting your asses kicked.
J.
So Oliver and people who fight politics like Oliver will be defeated once again.
Spite toward the “wrong people” is the only criterion that you miserable conservatives need. That spite is consistent with conservative ideology.
You say John McCain made up the story of the sympathetic camp guard?
They were talking about the cross in the sand, not a guard.
Why do you moron copnservatives feel the need to change the subjkect so quickly? Because you’re a bunch of losers that hate the concept of America?
Go live in Saudi Arabia since you want a monarch so bad, traitor.
Yes, Squid, the cross in the sand — drawn by a sympathetic camp guard.
Different term, same anecdote.
Get your own story right, dipshit.
J.
I don’t know whether he made up the “cross in the sand” story. Don’t have any evidence he did. But what I want to know is, why was he even allowed to fly at all in 1967? He had already crashed FOUR taxpayer-funded planes! If he had not been an admiral’s son and grandson he would have been grounded after the first, or at least the second, incident. Then we wouldn’t be having this argument at all, as McCain would have been out of the Navy after failing to make admiral, and would be drinking brewskis in a neighborhood tavern in Sedona, AZ, bragging about his past as a fighter pilot.
McCain, like Bush, owes his entire career to family connections and dumb luck. Getting shot down doesn’t qualify anyone for anything.
Principle? What’s that? Integrity? Never heard of it. Common human decency? Damned uncommon around these parts.
It is a two-way street, however difficult to find.
“Goddamned amateurs. No wonder you keep getting your asses kicked.”
This from a guy who backs up his claim that Kerry cheated in a 2004 debate by linking to a post that clearly states: “Since this truth is apparently still getting mangled, I’ll add this statement: John Kerry did not cheat in the 2004 debate.”
You’re a work of wonder, Jay Tea, a work of wonder.
We’ve already seen McCain embellishing his military record twice in recent months. Once, changing his story about giving professional football linemen as wingmates under questioning, changing the team according to the state he’s campaigning in. Second, claiming he was in line to be promoted to admiral just before he resigned from the navy. One thing we know McCain is not above embellishing his record.
From a Commander in Chief perspective, what we do know is McCain isn’t exactly qualified based on his military career. Bottom of his class, advanced because of family connections, crappy pilot, bad judgement.
We’ve already seen McCain embellishing his military record twice in recent months. Once, changing his story about giving professional football linemen as wingmates under questioning, changing the team according to the state he’s campaigning in. Second, claiming he was in line to be promoted to admiral just before he resigned from the navy. One thing we know McCain is not above embellishing his record.
From a Commander in Chief perspective, what we do know is McCain isn’t exactly qualified based on his military career. Bottom of his class, advanced because of family connections, crappy pilot, bad judgement.
“Stanley Kurtz’s bullshit about the U of I library ”
It gets better:
“Like Dr. Kurtz, I have conducted archival research on several continents and in dozens of libraries, from London to Managua to Berkeley to Palo Alto, even in Chicago itself, at several of its libraries. I have conducted research on issues as sensitive as the origins of the Manhattan Project to the police state set up by the Sandinistas. And not once have I found a library door closed in my face like this. Not even by the FSLN in Managua itself.
As Global Labor readers know I laid out the basic trajectory of the CAC through a review of the CAC’s financial statements, board minutes and annual and semi-annual reports, provided to me by Brown University, which housed the original national Annenberg Challenge. Once I posted my first discussion of what I found in these records, I sent additional requests for information to Brown.
However, while the representative from the university I originally corresponded with had been quite friendly and accommodating prior to my June 23 post, afterwards my additional requests for further information went unanswered. I did not pursue it at the time because I felt I had told a significant part of the story already. Thanks to the diligent work of Dr. Kurtz, however, we now know there is much more to know.”
http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/08/annenberg-gate-its-not-crime-its-cover.html