Comments on: McCain’s Cliff Notes http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:30:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: daniel rotter http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/#comment-108638 daniel rotter Tue, 19 Aug 2008 03:06:00 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=8530#comment-108638 "...and this kind of smear is exactly the kind of thing they blubbered, cried, bitched, moaned, groaned, wailed, teeth-gnashed and every other verb I can think just four years ago." Wow, a conservative (implicitly) admitting that the charges the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth levelled against Kerry were "smears"...progress! "Oh and where is John Kerry in all of this"? He had nothing to do with raising this question, valid or not. That would be your ideological side, freerepublic.com, who first started the "this story by McCain seems fishy" ball rolling in 2005. “…and this kind of smear is exactly the kind of thing they blubbered, cried, bitched, moaned, groaned, wailed, teeth-gnashed and every other verb I can think just four years ago.”

Wow, a conservative (implicitly) admitting that the charges the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth levelled against Kerry were “smears”…progress!

“Oh and where is John Kerry in all of this”?

He had nothing to do with raising this question, valid or not. That would be your ideological side, freerepublic.com, who first started the “this story by McCain seems fishy” ball rolling in 2005.

]]> By: Jay http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/#comment-108605 Jay Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:35:00 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=8530#comment-108605 Jay Tea, Swindle is just a racist liar!! But seriously, the left is desperate and this kind of smear is exactly the kind of thing they blubbered, cried, bitched, moaned, groaned, wailed, teeth-gnashed and every other verb I can think just four years ago. The hypocrisy stinks worse than that of a dead corpse. Oh and where is John Kerry in all of this? Jay Tea, Swindle is just a racist liar!!

But seriously, the left is desperate and this kind of smear is exactly the kind of thing they blubbered, cried, bitched, moaned, groaned, wailed, teeth-gnashed and every other verb I can think just four years ago. The hypocrisy stinks worse than that of a dead corpse.

Oh and where is John Kerry in all of this?

]]> By: JWG http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/#comment-108597 JWG Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:19:44 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=8530#comment-108597 Come on, Jay Tea -- you know those POWs were just a bunch of whiners who sold out their country for cigarettes! Come on, Jay Tea — you know those POWs were just a bunch of whiners who sold out their country for cigarettes!

]]> By: Jay Tea http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/#comment-108590 Jay Tea Mon, 18 Aug 2008 21:44:59 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=8530#comment-108590 Former POW Orson Swindle has come forward to say that he heard the McCain story back in 1971 -- before Solzhenitsyn’s book was released. Stick to the "did you know McCain is old?" theme, Oliver. While it seems a poor strategy, to piss off a demographic that has some of the highest voter turnout, it at least has the virtue of being true. J. Former POW Orson Swindle has come forward to say that he heard the McCain story back in 1971 — before Solzhenitsyn’s book was released.

Stick to the “did you know McCain is old?” theme, Oliver. While it seems a poor strategy, to piss off a demographic that has some of the highest voter turnout, it at least has the virtue of being true.

J.

]]> By: Enlightened Liberal http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/#comment-108543 Enlightened Liberal Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:35:44 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=8530#comment-108543 Since John McCain has made his POW experience the central qualification for his presidency, you would think he would try to keep his stories straight. Honestly I'm surprised (not) that the SCLM hasn't made an issue about McCain giving information to the enemy in exchange for cigarettes. If he'll sell out his country for cigarettes who knows what he will do as president? Since John McCain has made his POW experience the central qualification for his presidency, you would think he would try to keep his stories straight.

Honestly I’m surprised (not) that the SCLM hasn’t made an issue about McCain giving information to the enemy in exchange for cigarettes. If he’ll sell out his country for cigarettes who knows what he will do as president?

]]> By: JWG http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/#comment-108540 JWG Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:05:41 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=8530#comment-108540 <blockquote>What makes McCain’s story so suspect is the fact that he doesn’t mention it in his 1973 account...</blockquote> I'm shocked that after having returned just a couple of months after spending over 5 years being tortured that McCain didn't immediately document ever single thing that happened to him during that time. Yeah...that sounds very, very suspicious.

What makes McCain’s story so suspect is the fact that he doesn’t mention it in his 1973 account…

I’m shocked that after having returned just a couple of months after spending over 5 years being tortured that McCain didn’t immediately document ever single thing that happened to him during that time. Yeah…that sounds very, very suspicious.

]]> By: JWG http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/#comment-108538 JWG Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:00:09 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=8530#comment-108538 <blockquote>two prison guards in two different Communist countries drew a cross in the dirt in apparent solidarity with two different prisoners</blockquote> Solzhenitsyn's story had a prisoner draw the cross rather than a guard. Besides that -- you're right -- what are the odds that 2 different Christians living/working in a Communist prison camp would ever surreptitiously draw a cross in the dirt in the previous century? The odds must be a billion-to-one!

two prison guards in two different Communist countries drew a cross in the dirt in apparent solidarity with two different prisoners

Solzhenitsyn’s story had a prisoner draw the cross rather than a guard.

Besides that — you’re right — what are the odds that 2 different Christians living/working in a Communist prison camp would ever surreptitiously draw a cross in the dirt in the previous century? The odds must be a billion-to-one!

]]> By: SaveFarris http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/#comment-108535 SaveFarris Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:57:10 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=8530#comment-108535 Let's pretend McCain HAD told that story in 1973. You think it would have been that difficult for the Vietnamese to track down this Jesus-loving guard and "re-educate" him? Let’s pretend McCain HAD told that story in 1973. You think it would have been that difficult for the Vietnamese to track down this Jesus-loving guard and “re-educate” him?

]]> By: JadeGold http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/#comment-108530 JadeGold Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:51:09 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=8530#comment-108530 What makes McCain's story so suspect is the fact that he doesn't mention it in his 1973 account of his experiences as a POW. In the 1973 account, McCain mentions prayer, formulating novels in his head, and experiences/ommunications with other POWs, ill treatment by the guards--but no cross in the dirt. We also know McCain is a Solzhenitsyn fan. What makes McCain’s story so suspect is the fact that he doesn’t mention it in his 1973 account of his experiences as a POW. In the 1973 account, McCain mentions prayer, formulating novels in his head, and experiences/ommunications with other POWs, ill treatment by the guards–but no cross in the dirt.

We also know McCain is a Solzhenitsyn fan.

]]> By: anotherbozo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/#comment-108503 anotherbozo Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:42:51 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=8530#comment-108503 Didn't McCain testify that he was "always" anti-abortion? I understand that's a lie. A man who will tell one lie, and approve others in his ads about Obama, surely wouldn't stop there... Didn’t McCain testify that he was “always” anti-abortion? I understand that’s a lie. A man who will tell one lie, and approve others in his ads about Obama, surely wouldn’t stop there…

]]> By: Zython http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/#comment-108492 Zython Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:24:00 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=8530#comment-108492 <i>Even your link admits there’s no way to know if it’s true or not.</i> So "no lie has ever been documented" huh? Where have I heard that one before? Even your link admits there’s no way to know if it’s true or not.

So “no lie has ever been documented” huh? Where have I heard that one before?

]]> By: Southern Quaker http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/#comment-108487 Southern Quaker Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:46:03 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=8530#comment-108487 JWG, do you really think it is a mere coincidence that Solzhenitsyn tells essentially the <i>exact</i> same story? That <i>two</i> prison guards in <i>two different</i> Communist countries drew a cross in the dirt in apparent solidarity with two different prisoners? You have to admit that this stretches the bounds of credibility on McCain's part quite a bit. And why <i>shouldn't</i> he be questioned about it, since the similarity with Solzhenitsyn's story is so striking? JWG, do you really think it is a mere coincidence that Solzhenitsyn tells essentially the exact same story? That two prison guards in two different Communist countries drew a cross in the dirt in apparent solidarity with two different prisoners?

You have to admit that this stretches the bounds of credibility on McCain’s part quite a bit. And why shouldn’t he be questioned about it, since the similarity with Solzhenitsyn’s story is so striking?

]]> By: JWG http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/#comment-108482 JWG Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:48:50 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=8530#comment-108482 Even your link admits there's no way to know if it's true or not. Let me know when you can double check his travel logs and determine McCain wasn't really in a POW camp with guards. Even your link admits there’s no way to know if it’s true or not. Let me know when you can double check his travel logs and determine McCain wasn’t really in a POW camp with guards.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/#comment-108445 Oliver Willis Mon, 18 Aug 2008 02:14:04 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=8530#comment-108445 If you were so upset at John Kerry's supposed lying, you guys are going to be howling about McCain's made up story, right? If you were so upset at John Kerry’s supposed lying, you guys are going to be howling about McCain’s made up story, right?

]]> By: JWG http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/17/mccains-cliff-notes/#comment-108439 JWG Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:41:52 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/?p=8530#comment-108439 Are you saying McCain's memories aren't seared into him? How can that be? Are you saying McCain’s memories aren’t seared into him? How can that be?

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