“Crash” 2: Collided with power lines while flying in Spain. Landed plane safely.
-Flying too low over the Iberian Peninsula.

Crash 3: Engine flameout over Norfolk. Stayed with plane until it wsa over safe ground, then ejected
–when flying a trainer solo from Philadelphia for the Army-Navy game. Sounds like a priority mission.

-You didnt derive that from your those 1/32 scale
model re-enactments?

Ok, listen carefully. The reason that’s differant is because white people are the majority, sane people realize that they don’t need extra representation.

Or perhaps “Pulling a Janus,” referring to the two-faced god from Greek mythology.

I was gonna call you out on the fact that you most likely never played Chrono Trigger, but whatever.

Oh, and for the record, I never called Obama a flip-flopper.

Except for the part when you did.

Yeah, I recall that. I recall also the way it got twisted and mutated into this “show of contempt” when all he was doing was stating a basic principle of humanity–when you’re desperate, you cling tightly to things that make you feel secure and stable. For rural Pennsylvanians, these things were God and guns.

It’s similar to the nonsense going around now about Obama’s tire-gauge ideas. The Republicans make noise about how “unserious” Obama is, and the truth of the matter is that he’s talking about increasing energy efficiency…which works better than just finding more fuel.

I don’t understand why you’re so proud of how I caught you in a lie, though. Why would you think it would make you look good and me look bad to remind everyone of the time you tried to lie about McCain’s service record, and I proved you wrong?

It’s a simple question, PD100. If McCain is so bad, why can’t you content yourself with simply saying the truth about him? Why do you have to make shit up to bolster your opinion?

I’m sorry, that’s giving you too much credit. Why do you feel the need to repeat others’ made-up bullshit to bolster your opinion?

Oh, I just did a quick review of the published records on McCain’s airborne mishaps.

Crash 1: engine failure on landing approach.

“Crash” 2: Collided with power lines while flying in Spain. Landed plane safely.

Crash 3: Engine flameout over Norfolk. Stayed with plane until it wsa over safe ground, then ejected.

“Crash” 4: Sitting in plane tied to deck of aircraft carrier Forrestal. Possibly struck by stray rocket misfired from another aircraft (investigators unable to determine if rocket struck McCain’s plane or one next to it; both almost instantly engulfed in flame). Barely escaped from fire and explosions that ultimately killed 134 sailors. Was blown back about ten feet and wounded by flying debris when he was attempting to return and rescue another pilot.

Crash 5: After volunteering to leave the Forrestal (returning to the US for repairs) and join an understrength squadron staying off Vietnam, ignored warning alarms that he was being tracked by enemy radars and dropped his bombs on target, then was struck by a Soviet-made SA-2 missile that blew off his wing and sent his plane into a vertical inverted spin. Managed to bail out and parachute into captivity.

Hey, I just chopped you down by another crash! The “lost plane in Spain” just went down the drain! You really don’t know how to do your homework, do you?

Go properly inflate your tires, PD100. Single-handedly, you’re the cause of the gas prices going up so high.

J.

Our bad, message board warrior and part time blogger. We thought you were Pulling an Anus, where you have two assholes.

But thanks for clearing up that John McCain only wrecked 3 out of five planes, not four out of five where I said he he was a man of the people. Whew! That sure makes him a hero now.

Ethics aside, speaking purely pragmatically, McCain knows that race-based attacks on Obama will hurt him more than they will Obama, so he’s doing everything he can to avoid even the slightest appearance of that. Conversely, the Obama campaign knows the same thing, and is trying to inject racism into every single McCain move.

So far, the McCain people have been better at the fight than the Obama people. They’ve caught the Obama people out and forced them to admit what they’re trying to do — witness Axelrod cited above. And they’ve also very carefully couched the language and references to only those first broached by Obama himself — the Paris Hilton thing, the “don’t like like those other presidents” remark, and such.

This is a marathon, though, not a sprint. And while McCain is doing well at the outset, it is by no means guaranteed to win in the long term.

Oh, and for the record, I never called Obama a flip-flopper. Nor would I. A flip-flopper changes position for political gain, while denying any changes. Obama is trying to hold both positions simultaneously, while denying any contradiction. That’s so far beyond flip-flopping, it lacks a handy catchphrase.

I’m toying with “Whitmanning,” using the quote from Walt Whitman’s “Song Of Myself:”

Do I contradict myself?
Very well then I contradict myself,
(I am large, I contain multitudes.)

Or perhaps “Pulling a Janus,” referring to the two-faced god from Greek mythology.

It’s still a work in progress…

J.

No Spicoli. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Mike knows exactly what I’m talking about.

Oh. What about people in the comment sections of blogs that make shit up about ads being run that supposedly showed Max Cleland’s face morphing into Osama bin Ladens face?”

So we should excuse for McCain lying in his national campaign ads because some liberal in a blog comment thread lied about something some time? Awesome.

It’s an arguable point Dave, but I think you’re missing a change of subject. Paragraph one refers to McCain, paragraph two to the Republicans. If I remember correctly, members of that Republican leadership have made reference to Sen. Obama’s name, and used somewhat-less-than-subtle racist language (’that boy,’ etc.). Many in the conservative media have done so as well, more with regard to the name than race.

And the way the comment is constructed suggests to me that he was connecting the issue of race and a background (read: Muslim father) with which some may be uncomfortable. The ‘you know’ suggests a clarification of the previous point, at least it does to me.

But of course that’s all speculation.

Your Fox News link doesn’t work, but I assume it’s the recent quote where Obama said he was accusing McCain of “cynicism, not racism”. Note that this statement was given after Axelrod had already admitted (as noted in my link above), after the campaign initially tried to deny it, that it WAS in fact about race.

And as noted here, Obama specifically accused John McCain of making these statements.

“John McCain right now, he’s spending an awful lot of time talking about me,” Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said today in Rolla, Mo. “You notice that? I haven’t seen an ad yet where he talks about what he’s gonna do. And the reason is because those folks know they don’t have any good answers, they know they’ve had their turn over the last eight years and made a mess of things. They know that you’re not real happy with them.”

Obama continued: “And so the only way they figure they’re going to win this election is if they make you scared of me. So what they’re saying is, ‘Well, we know we’re not very good but you can’t risk electing Obama. You know, he’s new, he’s… doesn’t look like the other presidents on the currency, you know, he’s got a, he’s got a funny name.’

So to answer your question, Rex, yes Obama was calling McCain racist by accusing him of trying to scare voters by pointing out that Obama is (GASP!!!) black.

No, but I seem to recall him saying something to a well-to-do crowd in the Bay area about people in PA bitterly clinging to their guns and religion.

Two words…

“Southern Strategy.”

The GOP has lost any right to whine about being called racist. It is the part of racism and has been since the civil rights movement when all the Dixiecrats joined.

Oh. What about people in the comment sections of blogs that make shit up about ads being run that supposedly showed Max Cleland’s face morphing into Osama bin Ladens face?

28 Jay Tea, Aug 5th, 2008 at 6:58 am

I’ll tell you, Tom. Because Buchanan’s damned good on TV. He’s quick-witted, he’s charismatic, he’s articulate, he’s intelligent, and he knows how to behave on television. Putting Buchanan on means that you can count on good, entertaining TV.

I’m afraid I’m going to have to disagree with you there, JT. A farging icehole being a farging icehole on teevee is not what I would consider to be entertainment. He’s vain, arrogant, parrots a lot of boiler plate talking points, and behaves in an exceedingly rude manner to those he does not agree with. When he shows up, it’s a sign for me to change the channel.

I can understand why he would be put on the air over and over again by the mainstream media, even though he’s not what I would consider entertaining. He is very very good at catapulting Republican’t propaganda…

That takes precedence to the fact that he’s a racist, sexist, anti-Semitic asshole.

Actually, no it doesn’t seem to do so, when the person in question is not a conservative. Funny, that…

I loathe the man. I’ve made that abundantly clear on numerous occasions — I’ve written at least three pieces on him at Wizbang. (”I Just Can’t Stand Pat,” “It’s Pat,” and “Hey, Pat: Just Die Already”) But I am very careful to never underestimate him, or deny him his abilities and talents and intelligence.

You also do not seem to have a problem with his ‘abilities and talents and intelligence’ when those qualities are able to help further the conservative viewpoint.

If you don’t like my explanation, Tom, here’s a crazy conspiracy theory: Buchanan is so repugnant to so many people, the big media outlets go to him specifically to discredit the positions they get him to champion.

Hey, here’s another one: Buchanan is able to push the Republican’t viewpoint in any circumstance, so the media outlets go to him specifically and let him spew his dreck in a major media outlet.

Alternately, you could try asking the people who keep putting him on, instead of those who can’t stand the guy.

I thought I was talking to those who would utilize his talents regardless of their personal distaste in doing so. I have not yet seen anything that would disillusion me on that score…

You, Dave, in your pathologically hilarious need to talk at length when thought is inconvenient, have demonstrated the very point I was making. Congratulations, you’re awesome.

That said, I’m forced to realize I had sort of done the same with Jay tea’s comment, as he never said “flip-flopper” either, so my comment about labels is itself sort of moot. Or rather, it was until Dave actually called him a flip-flopper. Makes you wonder, if I hadn’t incorrectly made that statement, would Dave have gone so far out of his way to prove it true? Hmm… I wonder… Oh well.

WHICH candidate’s campaign is CONTINUING to DELIBERATELY inject race into the election while trying to accuse the other side of being racist?

Hmm… Obama’s calling McCain Racist, you say? See, cause Right over Here at FoxNews he’s being clear thats not what he’s saying, just clarifying that McCain’s playing up the fear of the unfamiliarity in Obama’s biography.

Oh, wait though, I just spotted in there where he actually has the audacity to say, outright “I am African American.” How utterly racist of him.

I admire patriotism. I have nothing but contempt for nationalism.

Being proud about the Boston Symphony and wondering why the bitter, clueless hicks in flyover country continue to cling to their low-class non-Boston Symphony music does.

I agree, but that’s hardly the nuanced message being sent out about Obama…which makes sense, since he didn’t actually wonder anything of the sort.

You should address that question to his own supporters. SUPPORTERS TO OBAMA: STOP FLIP-FLOPPING!

Since your historic victory in the primary, there have been troubling signs that you are moving away from the core commitments shared by many who have supported your campaign, toward a more cautious and centrist stance–including, most notably, your vote for the FISA legislation granting telecom companies immunity from prosecution for illegal wiretapping, which angered and dismayed so many of your supporters.

Actually, it doesn’t. You seem to think that the prevailing attitude in this country is the kind of macho flag-waving, chest-thumping bullshit that you would find at a redneck bar. You really need to get out more often. The vast majority of the country is not like that.

Oh, and you can only be arrogant and swaggery about certain things. If you’re proud of the Boston Symphony, you’re an “elitist.”

Being proud about the Boston Symphony or something similar doesn’t make you an elitist. Being proud about the Boston Symphony and wondering why the bitter, clueless hicks in flyover country continue to cling to their low-class non-Boston Symphony music does.

Yeah, who cares who did it first, what fucking matters is WHICH candidate’s campaign is CONTINUING to DELIBERATELY inject race into the election while trying to accuse the other side of being racist? That would be the campaign of the “post-racial” candidate. See Axelrod’s comments above.

Petty childish fucks the lot of you.

Oh boo hoo. Take your fucking toys and go home then.