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On Hannity & Colmes, Sean Hannity called rapper Ludacris “radical”. Is “radical” now the catch-all for anyone who is black? Because while some of Ludacris’ lyrics may be salty, I don’t think they could be called “radical”.
Now on this same panel was deposed GOP senator Rick Santorum who compared homosexuality to bestiality. Where I’m from, that’s radical.
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Where Rick is from its called his Saturday night dating game.
Politics is a nastier, more ruthless game than hip-hop could ever dream of. Ludacris, welcome and I hope you’re ready. Your battles with Mr. O’Reilly were only a warmup for this.
Political parties and their supporters spend literally tens of millions each year trying to come up with slick new ways of disrespecting, smearing, libeling, slandering and bringing each other down. My leanings aside, I won’t be naive enough to pretend that both sides don’t play the game, although I have my own beliefs regarding which players have more passion for it than others. The point is, Ludacris comes out with a song and all of a sudden, he’s a radical? You can make a living doing this stuff, if only you can do it in a subtle way, twist people’s words around, make people believe one thing when the truth is another – or you can just come out and say what’s on your mind. Come to think of it, that is kind of radical. The man doesn’t like Hillary Clinton and he said it. He likes Barack Obama and he said that. He didn’t use Fox News and a list of talking points or photoshopped images to get his point across, just blunt lyrics about what he thought. Ted Nugent didn’t get half the attention Ludacris is getting for saying some pretty out there stuff, but he got pretty much ignored.
Wait, didn’t Bill O’Reilly put him Ludacris out of business?
Too bad. I was going to send Ludacris my riff that included somethin’ about a falafel jammin’ perv.
Sheesh. Someone should play something from The Coup or Dead Prez for them. They’d probably piss on themselves before hiding under their desks.
Radical is the new Black.
I’ve always thought radical referred to an extremist political revolutionary actively seeking to depose his current government and replace it with one more in line with his own ideology.
Silly, silly me.
Ted Nugent didn’t get half the attention Ludacris is getting for saying some pretty out there stuff, but he got pretty much ignored.
Ludacris has gotten more attention because of his connection to Barack Obama. The Obama camp has been actively courting the hip-hop community in its effort to grow participation in the black community.
Ted Nugent made his comments during a concert and the last time I checked, he wasn’t doing highly publicized meetings with John McCain.
Rick Santorum who compared homosexuality to bestiality
Except he didn’t.
So “man on dog” isn’t bestiality?
Interesting take on the English languag you have there.
As for Obama’s campaign “actively courting” the “hip-hop community” — link please. As far as I can tell, most black entertainers in general, including rap artists, pretty much lined up for Obama early on and will continue to do so. Not that Obama wouldn’t mind their support, but you have a funny way of phrasing it to make it sound as if Obama is out their getting the scary negro gangsta rappers on his side or something.
“Radical” is just another of the Republican “attack words” that have no meaning in and of themselves; they are essentially “dog-whistles”.
Likewise, apparently half of the nation is part of the “Far Left”, because only the the far left opposes the Iraq occupation. One is “anti-military” if they don’t support starting a third simultaneous war, and “unpatriotic” if they don’t support McCain.
As with all effective “dog-whistles”, Republicans hear what independents and Democrats do not. A Democrat hears these words and shrugs them off as silly and off-base. To the Republicans, the message is clear: Obama is a wild socialist that will put the Black Man on top, while handing the country over to Muslims that will force your daughter to wear a burqa and make you bow to Allah at gunpoint. If they actually said these things directly they would look crazy to the nation at large. Instead, they speak in some kind of perverted pig Latin to their base, while acting innocent.
While despicable, the continued use of the “dog-whistle” is merely proof that McCain still essentially waging a primary campaign to win over his base.
No, he didn’t, he just felt a need to include “man on child” and “man on dog” in the same sentence as the concept of consensual adults having gay sex. They’re all equally as deplorable in his mind, even though the differences between the two former and the latter are easily catalogued.
Interesting take on the English languag you have there.
Well, apparently you have reading comprehension issues because I said nothing about “man on dog” not being bestiality. What I did say was that Santorum did not compare one to the other.
As for Obama’s campaign “actively courting” the “hip-hop community” — link please.
Try Google. It’s not that hard.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/jan/10/urban
Barack Obama has consulted with rap stars Jay-Z and Kanye West, as he ramps up his bid to become the next president of the United States.
Obama, “B-Rock” to urban music magazine Vibe, has revealed he has met with the two rap superstars, courting the votes and hoping to win the minds of America’s hip-hop community.
but you have a funny way of phrasing it to make it sound as if Obama is out their getting the scary negro gangsta rappers on his side or something.
Actually, I didn’t ‘phrase’ it any particular way. I merely stated a fact. YOU are the one that decided throw out “scary negro gangsta rappers” so stop projecting.
I wouldn’t call Ludacris radical. He’s not smart enough to be a political radical. I’d call him an ignorant, uneducated, crass, attention-whore with a big mouth that has no business being courted by any politician that doesn’t want some sort of backlash.
You should know what you’re getting into with rappers. And frankly, anyone that votes for Obama because of Ludacris is further proof that the hip-hop community is comprehensively made up of a bunch of degenerates. The man has no noticable talent to speak of…..
unless of course you call “rhymes” (which some of them aren’t even.) riddled with B**ch, hoe, nigga, and numerous other expletives talent.
Even the worst band on earth has more talent than this guy, because at LEAST they will TRY to play an instrument.
“Actually, I didn’t ‘phrase’ it any particular way. I merely stated a fact.”
Yeah, but Jay, Obama hasn’t had “highly publicized meetings” or any meetings at all with Ludacris. Your comment sort of conflated Ludacris into the group of people that Obama has met with:
Ludacris has gotten more attention because of his connection to Barack Obama. The Obama camp has been actively courting the hip-hop community in its effort to grow participation in the black community.
Ted Nugent made his comments during a concert and the last time I checked, he wasn’t doing highly publicized meetings with John McCain.
What connection does Ludacris have with Obama? Is Ludacris automatically connected to Obama because Obama met with Jay-Z and Kanye West? One hip hop artist being the same as any other, I guess?
Milhouse: And the kid with the backpack said “radical”. I say “radical”. That’s my thing that I say! I feel like I’m going to explode here…[shakes violently]
Obama meets with lots of people. No big deal. But nice fail on trying to formulate a scary conspiracy theory on how Barack is a crypto-gangsta. Have fun losing in November with yet another shitty meme. (If McCain was to meet with Toby Keith, would that mean his campaign was “actively courting” the country and western vote? No, it wouldn’t.)
As for Rick “Man on Dog” Santorum, um, another fail. He was implicitly saying that same-sex marriage was within the spectrum of things like bestiality and child rape. But again, don’t take my word for it — just ask the Pennsylvanians who threw him out on his bigoted, sorry ass.
Jaim – minor point, Keith is a Democrat. And Santorum, for whom I have no love, lost to a guy who could have beaten Benjamin Franklin in that state.
Rap artists are, in a sense, the (admittedly much better compensated) Woody Guthries of their generation. Obama has made clear his opinion of the harsher subjects treated in their music, and I see no problem with his trying to engage a generally disengaged demographic via that route. Until Ludacris is convicted for spousal or sexual abuse I’m not going to convict him for his words, any more than I’d convict Coulter or Savage.
Well, George W. Bush once owned a baseball team–therefore he is connected to virulent racist Ty Cobb!
When will Bush denounce Cobb?
Really, Jay. Obama has a “connection” to Ludacris because he talked to Jay-Z?
Yeah, but Jay, Obama hasn’t had “highly publicized meetings” or any meetings at all with Ludacris.
Wrong.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15972471/
Barack Obama is coming for that Number One Spot.
The senator, contemplating a run for president, met privately with Ludacris on Wednesday. “We talked about empowering the youth,” said the rapper, whose real name is Chris Bridges.
You people make this too easy.
One hip hop artist being the same as any other, I guess?
And more projection.
But nice fail on trying to formulate a scary conspiracy theory on how Barack is a crypto-gangsta.
Man, you have the ability engage in strawman fallacies like no other. In addition, you’re projecting again. All I did was that the reason why the media is putting a bigger spotlight on Ludacris and the lyrics of the song ‘Politics’ over what Ted Nugent is because of his direct association with Obama.
Idiot.
He was implicitly saying that same-sex marriage was within the spectrum of things like bestiality and child rape.
No, he did not. And if you have evidence of such, let’s see it.
But again, don’t take my word for it — just ask the Pennsylvanians who threw him out on his bigoted, sorry ass.
Oh because he lost an election that proves he said what you claim he did.
Idiot.
So, Jay, since we can’t read or believe our lying ears, tell us please what Rick Santorum meant when he said “In every society, the definition of marriage has not ever to my knowledge included homosexuality. That’s not to pick on homosexuality. It’s not, you know, man on child, man on dog, or whatever the case may be.”
or
“If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual [gay] sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything.”
It’s more of the same homophobic nonsense–good God, if we tolerate consensual homosexual sex then we have to tolerate everything!
Even though the simple and obvious rejoinder to such contention has always been “No, you allow two consenting adults to do what they will in a private place. Everything else remains illegal.”
Ludacris has gotten more attention because of his connection to Barack Obama.
I see. They met once, two years ago!
That’s a “connection” allright. I recommend that the Obama campaign denounce and reject Ludacris and everything he has ever done. Sheesh.
I actually met John McCain two years ago. I now hereby officially denounce him and everything he has done.
“You should know what you’re getting into with rappers. And frankly, anyone that votes for Obama because of Ludacris is further proof that the hip-hop community is comprehensively made up of a bunch of degenerates. The man has no noticable talent to speak of..
Right, therefore anyone who votes McCain because of Toby Keith or Charlie Dainels brand of finger-pluckin’, tree-hangin’ wingnuttery is because they’re a repressed minority who’s had it with the man keeping them down. Repent, Y’all!!
That’s a “connection” allright. I recommend that the Obama campaign denounce and reject Ludacris and everything he has ever done. Sheesh.
Guys, you’re losing sight of what I’m talking about. I responded SPECIFICALLY to this comment:
Ted Nugent didn’t get half the attention Ludacris is getting for saying some pretty out there stuff, but he got pretty much ignored.
Ok? I proffered a reason as to why that happened. That’s all. Yet the idiocy starts with people declaring that I’m actually insinuating something much deeper. More CODE WORDS and DOG WHISTLES! Christ, lighten.the.fuck.up.
Even though the simple and obvious rejoinder to such contention has always been “No, you allow two consenting adults to do what they will in a private place. Everything else remains illegal.”
And that’s the whole point (and where the “comparison” nonsense falls short as it is nothing but a deflection). If you start defining things as “rights”, you’re going to have to deal with somebody else saying something else is “their right.” It’s completely illogical to declare that gay marriage is a “right” but that polgyamy is not. After all, there’s consenting adults all around and if its all about “love” then who is the state to say otherwise? You guys never want to deal with the larger issue in defining such things as “rights.” You just stamp your feet say it’s a “right” and declare the debate over.
Ted Nugent: McCain’s two battles he must win
Battle will be waged within GOP and against Democrats
“You people make this too easy.”
Wow, Jay. Thanks for the correction and for “stating the facts.” I’m horrified that Obama would meet with someone as radical and dangerous as Ludacris or that he would make any in-roads whatsoever into the degenerate world of rap “music.” I was an Obama supporter until you brought this to my attention. Now I can only question the man’s values and true allegiances to protecting the safety of real Americans. Obviously, my deep liberal desire to be saved by a messianic figure had blinded me the true facts about Obama’s ultimate agenda. Thank you for doing me and your country such a great service by simply “stating the facts.”
In other words, Obama met with Ludacris, Jay-Z and Kanye West. So fucking what?
Fafaroo, you truly are a jackass. Your entire paragraph has nothing AT ALL to do with anything I wrote. Nothing.
In other words, Obama met with Ludacris, Jay-Z and Kanye West. So fucking what?
Yeah. So fucking what is right. And I never made an issue of Obama meeting with them. I’m through repeating myself.
Mccann:I’d call him an ignorant, uneducated, crass, attention-whore with a big mouth
Heh, heh.
It’s comedy!
It’s irony!
It’s both!
“And I never made an issue of Obama meeting with them.”
Yes, you did. You tried to argue that “The Obama camp has been actively courting the hip-hop community in its effort to grow participation in the black community,” presumably because your daily talking points suggested that Obama needs to be accused of being a crypto-thug-gangsta something-or-other.
Fish, meet barrel.
It’s probably safe to say that Obama has a lock on musicians and entertainers in general come this November but then again, while it was nice to see somebody like Bruce Springsteen do shows supporting Kerry, there’s always the “ZOMG Hollywood libruls!” kind of backlash. And then you had tools like Dave Matthews and Dave Grohl, and honestly, the Republicans are welcome to have those guys.
“So fucking what is right. And I never made an issue of Obama meeting with them.”
I’m always curious about this kind of response from you Jay. Do you really think you’re serving some totally neutral fact-checking function here and that it’s impossible to read anything else into your statements?
You said that Ludacris was getting more attention for his song than Ted Nugent because Ludacris had a highly publicized meeting with Obama. Now if the underlying point is still “so fucking what” then why is Ludacris getting more attention regardless?
The fact of the meeting doesn’t in itself explain why Ludacris is getting more attention than Nugent unless one goes on to infer something about Obama and his relationship with Ludacris based on that meeting.
I know you would never infer anything about anything. You are a neutral observer of the facts. My point is that in this case, as in most cases, the facts as observed don’t really explain much when it comes to politics and culture. There’s always something else at work.
Yes, you did. You tried to argue that “The Obama camp has been actively courting the hip-hop community in its effort to grow participation in the black community,”
Do you always blatantly lie like this? I didn’t “argue” anything. It’s pretty common knowledge for anybody with a brain larger than that of a pea (I guess that leaves you out) that Obama has courted the hip-hop community to help increase minority turnout (his goal has been to increase minority turnout 30%. It’s no secret. Perhaps if you people actually knew something about the nominee you support, you’d know this).
presumably because your daily talking points suggested that Obama needs to be accused of being a crypto-thug-gangsta something-or-other.
And there you go with the projection. AGAIN. You should see somebody about that. Apparently you have issues with hip-hop music.
I’m always curious about this kind of response from you Jay. Do you really think you’re serving some totally neutral fact-checking function here and that it’s impossible to read anything else into your statements?
You can read into those statements all you want. You’re the one with issues apparently as you’re “reading something else” in my statements. They’re pretty clear.
You said that Ludacris was getting more attention for his song than Ted Nugent because Ludacris had a highly publicized meeting with Obama.
Actually, I said no such thing. This is what I said:
Ludacris has gotten more attention because of his connection to Barack Obama. The Obama camp has been actively courting the hip-hop community in its effort to grow participation in the black community.
Now if the underlying point is still “so fucking what” then why is Ludacris getting more attention regardless?
Uhhh…I’ve already pointed that out. You see, meeting with hip-hop stars is no big deal. BUT….couple the fact that Obama had these meetings and because Ludacris’s song is called “Politics: Obama Is Here” and in it calls Hillary Clinton an “irrelevant bitch”, says McCain “don’t belong in any chair unless he’s paralyzed” and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see why the media is going to give it more attention than something Nugent shouted out at some concert. This is not all that difficult to comprehend.
But of course, according to you and Jaim I’m just inferring something else.
Cripes.
Jay, without agreeing that Obama IS “courting” the hip-hop crowd, whatever that is supposed to mean, if he was would there be anything wrong with it? I will be the first to tell you that I don’t much care for my Black employees’ taste in music even though I myself play music that arose from Black culture (blues, jazz). What they listen to when they are not at work does not seem to affect their ability to perform the job I pay them for.
If Obama got my employees’ votes by appealing to their taste in music, how would that be a bad thing? You get votes anywhere you can, and appealing to musical tastes is certainly a longstanding political tradition.
Unfortunately for the GOP, their musicians suck.
I find it interesting that “Rap” stems from a white source, originally Woodie Guthrie’s “talking blues,” and the first big “rap” hit was Bob Dylan’s “Subterranean Homesick Blues” in 1964. Both of these men used music to advance political statements, and modern rap or hip-hop is no different. You just don’t agree with the statements.
if he was would there be anything wrong with it?
Of course there would be no problem with it. Last week the same set was defending conservative writers/media personalities and their sometimes violently-themed words against liberals, and will now tell you that Ludacris is a degenerate. On the other side, another set was suspicious the conservative writers and will defend Ludacris.
Both deserve defense, IMO.
If Obama got my employees’ votes by appealing to their taste in music, how would that be a bad thing?
We ought to note here that he’d courting the vote of people who probably already agree with much of his program – young people in general and young minorities more particularly. He’d just be increasing the likelihood that those legal voters would turn out on election day, as historically they tend to be no-shows, relative to the older demographics.
“Do you always blatantly lie like this?”
Um, I quoted what you wrote verbatim. Douchebag.
“You see, meeting with hip-hop stars is no big deal. BUT….couple the fact that Obama had these meetings and because Ludacris’s song is called ‘Politics: Obama Is Here’ … and it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see why the media is going to give it more attention than something Nugent shouted out at some concert.”
Right. Because the media wants to know if Obama supports the lyrics in the song. Obama condemned the song. End of story right? Well, not if you’re Sean Hannity or some other wingnut hack. To them, this is more evidence of Obama’s “association” with scary black people and militant leftists. Are you buying that, Jay?
Is Fred Thompson a “radical” for working for Dick Wolf when Dick cast Ludacris as Ice T’s brother on Law and Order SVU?
Um, I quoted what you wrote verbatim. Douchebag.
Context. The context in which you quoted it was warped to fit your little agenda. Asshole.
To them, this is more evidence of Obama’s “association” with scary black people and militant leftists. Are you buying that, Jay?
Nope.
Here’s Ludacris with two other radical thugs.
Shorter Jay: Don’t quote me because you’ll remind people that I’m wrong about everything.