Remember, they support the troops!
The Christopher and Dana Reeve Act, named for the actor who was made famous by his portrayal of superman and later became a champion of the disabled, along with his late wife (pictured at right), is part of a broad package created by Democrats which lumps together 36 bills.
It would have allocated $25 million for research on spinal cord injuries, rehabilitation and measures to improve the quality of life for paralyzed Americans. The effort is backed by the Paralyzed Veterans of America, which claims 19,000 members. Some 200,000 Americans suffer spinal cord-related injuries.
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Next time, try to actually chew on the talking points before swallowing them whole.
If Democratics want to pass this bill, they should let it stand on it’s own merits instead of lumping it together with 36 other non-related things. (What does Spanish Closed Captioning, Civil War Record Preservation, Ocean Monitoring, and a Museum for Polish Jews have to do with Paralyzed Veterans?)
PS: Your faux outrage is doubly hypocrital since just the other day you were complaining about the deficit.
Let the tax cuts for the top expire, bring in the actual corporate taxes, end the war and the deficit gets cut down. Bonus: Less hurt soldiers for Republicans to ignore.
The Democratics? Is that an old Motown group I missed?
Since farris is against any form of hypocrisy, I’m sure he agrees that the bill should come to an up and down vote and not be filibustered by obstructionist conservatives.
You are against hypocrisy, right farris?
If Democratics want to pass this bill, they should let it stand on it’s own merits instead of lumping it together with 36 other non-related things.
Do we know for sure why the Republicans are opposed to it? Is it because of one of the other bills, or something more sinister?
It’s easier for Oliver and the other simps to say, “Republican’s hate the troops,” than it is to actually read the bill in its entirety. This bill would ensure, for instance, that you can’t keep a monkey as a pet! Maybe, just maybe, Coburn has a problem with all the other crap in this bill instead of The Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act.
HEALTHCARE PROVISIONS
S. 1382, the ALS Registry Act – $0.62
S. 1183, the Christoper and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act – $0.85
S. 999, the Stroke Treatment and Ongoing Prevention Act
H.R. 20, the Melanie Blocker Stokes MOTHERS Act – $0.16
S. 1117, the Vision Care for Kids Act of 2008
S. 1810, the Prenatally and Postnatally Diagnosed Conditions Awareness Act – $0.17
JUDICIARY PROVISIONS
H.R. 5524, the Reconnecting Homeless Youth Act of 2008
S. 535, the Emmett Till Unsolved Civil Rights Crimes Act of 2007 – $0.58
S. 2304, the Mentally Ill Offender Treatment and Crime Reduction Reauthorization and Improvement Act of 2008 – $4.34
H.R. 4120, the Effective Child Pornography Prosecution Act of 2007
H.R. 4136, the Enhancing the Effective Prosecution of Child Pornography Act of 2007
S. 1210, the Drug Endangered Children Act of 2007 – $0.18
S. 1079, the Star-Spangled Banner and War of 1812 Bicentennial Commission Act – $0.03
S. 1738, the PROTECT Our Children Act of 2008 (Combating Child Exploitation Act of 2007) – $4.93
ENVIRONMENT AND PUBLIC WORKS PROVSIONS
H.R. 2964, the Captive Primate Safety Act – $0.15
S. 2707, the Chesapeake Bay Gateways and Watertrails Network Continuing Authorization Act – $0.04
S. 2844, the Beach Protection Act of 2008 – $2.56
S. 496, the Appalachian Regional Development Act Amendments of 2008
FOREIGN RELATIONS PROVISIONS
H.R. 1469, the Senator Paul Simon Study Abroad Foundation Act of 2008 – $3.76
H.R. 1084, the Reconstruction and Stabilization Civilian Management Act of 2008 – $5.75
H.R. 2798, the Overseas Private Investment Corporation Reauthorization of Act of 2008 – $0.66
S. 2020, the Tropical Forest and Coral Conservation Reauthorization Act of 2008 – $0.65
H.R. 1678, the Torture Victims Relief Reauthorization Act of 2008 – $0.93
H.R. 3320, the Support for the Museum of the History of Polish Jews Act of 2008 – $0.05
COMMERCE, SCIENCE, AND TRANSPORTATION PROVISIONS
S. 1492, the Broadband Data Improvement Act – $1.85
S. 675, the Training for Realtime Writers Act of 2007 – $0.62
H.R. 3352, the Hydrographic Services Improvement Act Amendments of 2008 – $5.92
H.R. 1834, the NOAA Undersea Research Program Act of 2008 (National Ocean Exploration Program Act) – $2.36
H.R. 2400, the Ocean and Coastal Mapping Integration Act – $1.03
H.R. 5618, the National Sea Grant College Program Amendments Act of 2008 – $2.69
S. 950, the Integrated Coastal and Ocean Observation System Act of 2008 – $6.36
H.R. 4174, the Federal Ocean Acidification Research and Monitoring Act of 2008 – $0.70
HOMELAND SECURITY AND GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS PROVISIONS
S. 1446, the National Capital Transportation Amendments Act of 2008 – $10.40
H.R. 390, the Preservation of Records of Servitude, Emancipation, and Post-Civil War Reconstruction Act – $0.12
S. 3175, the Predisaster Hazard Mitigation Act of 2008 – $6.18
RULES AND ADMINISTRATION PROVISIONS
H.R. 5492, To authorize the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution to construct a greenhouse facility at its museum support facility in Suitland, Maryland, and for other purposes – $0.02
Parthenon, it says right there in the article:
The Democrats’ package bundled numerous uncontroversial proposals in an attempt to overcome procedural hurdles Coburn has imposed.
They purposely inserted tug-at-the-heartstrings bills in order to overcome objections to other pork laden spending bills.
H.R. 4120, the Effective Child Pornography Prosecution Act of 2007
H.R. 4136, the Enhancing the Effective Prosecution of Child Pornography Act of 2007
S. 1738, the PROTECT Our Children Act of 2008 (Combating Child Exploitation Act of 2007) – $4.93
Ahh, there’s your answer, Parthenon.
Duros – I’ve made a mental note to never again read one of your comments while in a library.
In all fairness, I hestitate to condemn any legislator for a down vote on a complex bill. If a bill had ten million for aids cure research and 50 million to subsidize David Letterman’s farm, I’d vote no on that version, whether it was sponsored by Nancy Pelosi, Denny Hastert or Henry Clay.
“Coburn and other Republicans said they support most of the bills included in Reid’s single bill. But overall, the legislation would have created programs costing $10 billion without proposing ways to pay for them. He complained that Reid was trying to force legislation to a vote without debate and the right to offer amendments.”
http://www.cbs8.com/election_center/story.php?id=135861
For you other mouth-breathers out there, here is an additional scenario.
Say there is a bill, the Happy Happy Daycare Bill, that would provide $1000 for daycare facilities. Now, neatly tucked in that bill were two additional bills, the Oliver Willis Internet Porn Bill, that would pay OW’s internet porn bill w/ taxpayers money, and the Oliver Willis Fast Food Bill, that would pay for OW’s fast food consumption with taxpayers money.
Why would you support the daycare bill along with the 2 other bills that are going to cost exponentially more?
I can see the point that all these bills should not be lumped together. It just seems lazy.
You all do understand that Coburn has already blocked the individual bills once right? That the packaging of these bills is an attempt to overcome and call attention to his obstructionism?
For the record, this bill would cost the average family about $70.00 a year. The Christoper and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act bill alone would cost 85 cents.
Why didn’t Barry Obama vote? He was in town, but I guess he doesn’t care about paralyzed people either…
You all do understand that Coburn has already blocked the individual bills once right?
So you’re saying that the Reeve bill came up on its own and was not packaged with anything else? That’s what you’re saying?
Do you have any evidence of this? If Coburn held up this bill on its own, I could understand the frustration of people who wanted to get it passed.
Coburn himself said that some of bills in question are good programs, but Reid doesn’t want to debate them and he refuses to allow them to be amended. Why should anybody just roll over and allow it to pass because somebody attached a nice title on it.
Cute: Oliver thinks corporations pay taxes. Apparently the Reality-Based crowd has never stopped to consider that corporations pass the “savings” on to the consumer, thus increasing inflation and weakening the economy.
From Changey’s Quote:
“But overall, the legislation would have created programs costing $10 billion without proposing ways to pay for them.”
How many of those War funding bills were passed with Coburn’s blessing?
How many of them included “ways to pay for them”?
After 2005, how many of them could have been at least included in the normal DoD budget process?
Interesting questions, no?
“Interesting questions, no?”
NO
I don’t have actual proof of anything, all I have is what I read in the article.
“The Democrats’ package bundled numerous uncontroversial proposals in an attempt to overcome procedural hurdles Coburn has imposed.”
This came up weeks ago when Reid first proposed bundling the 100 bills that Coburn has blocked into various package legislation.
How much difference two years makes when republibots were screaming and frothing about obstructionism and undermining the government when democrats would block the occasional bad bill or worst of Bush’s nominations. Now that they are in the minority obstruction is the only game they play. Record breaking obstructionism.
Running the numbers, it seems to boil down to this:
For every dollar spent on the Reeves program, this bill includes $8.25 for other programs.
And because Reid (by the way, did you hear that he’s one of those scary Mormons, like Mitt Romney?) hath decreed it so, no one is allowed to question this bundle in the slightest. No debate, no amendments — you say yes or no to the whole deal, then sit down and shut up.
What I find astonishing is that more Senators aren’t telling Reid to go pound sand.
No, on second thought, I am not astonished.
I just remembered the overwhelming contempt I hold for nearly every single member of Congress, and how they earned it.
I also remember my staunch belief that “in a democracy, the people get the government they deserve” and that Reid and Pelosi were elected to their positions.
This rebellion against Reid’s autocratic reign is the slightest glimmer of hope I’ve seen in a long time.
J.
I was wondering when the ‘But they do it, too!!!’ defense would come to the surface in this thread.
Congrats, ‘pidge.
Apparently the Reality-Based crowd has never stopped to consider that corporations pass the “savings” on to the consumer,
Again?
We went over this last week. That’s codswallop!
I’ll repeat it: for every dollar for the program Oliver is touting, this Frankenstein of a bill includes $8.25 in spending on other matters.
I’d say it was more a case of Reid holding paralyzed vets hostage than Republicans blocking aid to them…
“Pony up for the realtime writers. broadband, monkeys, the Chesapeake Bay, beaches, a museum for Polish Jews, the Appalachians, foreign investment, rain forests, coral beaches, and all this other stuff, or the vets get it!”
Note that the beaches alone get just over three times the money the paralyzed vets get in this bill that Oliver says is all about veterans…
J.
The Repigs will always put war profiteers first. Paralyzed vets don’t contribute to their campaigns.
Boohoo JT. If Coburn weren’t obstructing every bill in sight, they wouldn’t have to package them in an attempt to get them passed. If you have a complaint you need to address it to Coburn and his fellow republican senators who aren’t even trying to rein his blatant obstructionism in.
I don’t have actual proof of anything, all I have is what I read in the article.
Then you shouldn’t make assertions that you cannot back up. As such your claim that the Senate took up each and every one of these measures separately is specious at best.
If Coburn weren’t obstructing every bill in sight,
There you go again! You just admitted that you don’t know if these bills came up separately and yet you’re repeating the same assertion.
I was trying to be nice to you Jay. Simple proof was right in the article and contained in a quote that you yourself used and I reposted. But since you are such a dumbass I will repost that bit:
“The Democrats’ package bundled numerous uncontroversial proposals in an attempt to overcome procedural hurdles Coburn has imposed.”
Jay reads that passage and thinks the packaging is to load the pork. What it actually says is the democrats bundled several(36) proposals together that Coburn had blocked. That way, instead of having 36 individual battles, they could have one battle.
They didn’t come up. They were blocked from coming up. So now, they were bundled so they could hopefully come to the floor.
Read the damn article next time instead of skimming it for little nuggets you try to use in your arguments even though you don’t understand what they mean. And these 36, were the uncontroversial of the ones Coburn has blocked.
Full context:
The overall bill, dubbed the Advancing America’s Priorities Act, was blocked by a 50-42 vote, short of the 60 votes need to overcome a filibuster. It was created in an effort to draw attention to Sen. Tom Coburn, a stalwart crusader for tightening the pursestrings of government.
The bill also included funding for victims of torture, disability, and disease.
The House passed the Reeve bill in 2007, but the Senate has never followed suit.
The Democrats’ package bundled numerous uncontroversial proposals in an attempt to overcome procedural hurdles Coburn has imposed.
Changey McHoperson, Jul 30th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
“Interesting questions, no?”
NO
Longer Weaslly McLyingAllTheTime:
IOKIYAR! Pay no attention to all this Republican’t war pork! Only Democrats can waste our tax money!
Gravypan, Jul 30th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
I was wondering when the ‘But they do it, too!!!’ defense would come to the surface in this thread.
Congrats, ‘pidge.
I was wondering when the ‘hey, pay no attention when Republican’ts do it, but relentlessly hammer the Democrats if they even think of doing it’ meme would be spewed from a vacuous Scaife-funded Republican’t Putsch fellator.
Congrats, Gravypan.