Well okay then. Just checking.

Recall: Mr. Bush told Pat Robertson “We won’t have casualties.”

Recall: Team Bush fired a budget analyst who suggested the cost of the war might rise as high as $200 billion.

Recall: Smoking gun = mushroom cloud.

Sure thing, Mr. Tea. We’re right on track.

IF the Democrats really believe the war is wrong and a disaster, THEN they have a moral responsibility to do what they — and no one else — can do and stop it.

And what if the Democrats believe the invasion was wrong and a disaster? Can they turn back time and undo it?

I do strongly believe, though, that more effort has been put into impeaching Bush and Cheney than in actually putting a legal end to the war. And that’s been largely through the efforts of Kucinich.

J.

Also, they’ve tried to set timetables, and I believe they did have a majority on a few. They were vetoed each time, weren’t they? Am I full of it? Should I do a little research here, or do you remember it that way too?

Pardon us while we tie this WMD thing around your neck and throw you overboard.

Silly question. If you pay attention to the mainstream media, then the answer is “no.” Good news doesn’t sell; “if it bleeds, it leads.”

And while I don’t think we’ve “run off the cliff,” I’m pointing out that the Democrats have — both through action and inaction — aided and abetted the policies that they say they oppose, and have folks like you all a-dither.

IF the Democrats really believe the war is wrong and a disaster, THEN they have a moral responsibility to do what they — and no one else — can do and stop it.

Yes, they could be stopped by the Republicans because they don’t hold a supermajority. But they aren’t even trying. They’re fighting over a bunch of issues, but ending the war isn’t one of them.

That says to me that, at least, it isn’t a priority. Or they don’t really believe they ought to.

You got an alternative explanation for them not even trying?

J.

Lovely.

George Bush ran us off this cliff. Now you want to blame the Democrats for gravity?

In fact, they were there when Bush declared war, despite claiming that he would wait for the inspectors to do their job.

Funny, in MY Constitution, it takes Congress to declare war. Presidents only get to prosecute wars.

Congress, as I pointed out above, passed the Authorization For The Use Of Military Force In Iraq, and could repeal that Act at any time. Funny how, especially since the Democrats took the majority of Congress, they haven’t even TRIED to repeal it. Rather, they’ve tried some very, very low-key versions of doing it — cutting spending, putting limits, and whatnot — and failed miserably each and every time.

Why, it’s almost as if the elected Democrats with the power to end the war/occupation/whatever you want to call it don’t really want to. It’s almost as if they know that we’re doing the right thing, that we’re doing the necessary thing, but don’t dare admit it because the craziest elements of their base would go completely batshit on them.

That would explain their actions — and inactions — to a T. But it would require a bit of strength of character and integrity and honesty and intelligence.

And that would be unheard of.

J.

after twenty years plus of institutionalized offensiveness towards Democrats by the media.

Dude, put the crack pipe away.

Duude – you think you’ve made a point?

So Rush hasn’t been spewing hatred of all things Democratic since the eighties? On major media outlets across the country? On Armed Forces Frelling Radio for an hour a day, for Koresh’ sake!

Hannity hasn’t been doing the same? Michael Savage? Glenn Beck? Fox News? Clear Channel hasn’t been censoring Democratic ads, taking groups off their playlists because they said something bad about Bush, or refusing to host liberal talk radio programs?

Perhaps you could use, like, logic and facts and stuff, if you would like to contest my allegation.

Also please note the lack of reference to any of the offensive terms, about those upstanding individuals in the party that controlled all branches of government from 2000 to 2006, that got your knickers in a twist. Feel free to note the lack of accuracy in your previous statements about how I’m always saying all those nasty things about others every single time I comment anywhere – who apparently (as far as you’re concerned) aren’t nearly as mean, nasty, and offensive as me.

Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

Too funny. It’s like the past 7 years never happened in some circles. Weapons inspectors returned to Iraq in 2002 and found no evidence of large stockpiles of any thing, much less chemical or nuclear weapons. In fact, they were there when Bush declared war, despite claiming that he would wait for the inspectors to do their job. They were there when he told a graduating class at West Point that they weren’t, and so we had to attack Saddam (a flat out lie, remember those fun discussions?).

Remember the aluminum tubes?

Curveball?

Chalabi?

Scott Ritter?

Yellow cake?

The cooked NIE?

Want to jump into the wayback machine and discuss the first Gulf War and how Saddam, after getting our support during the Iraq/Iran war expected us to rush to his aid in his dispute with Kuwait over their purported slant drilling only to have us declare war on him?

How about the fake stories about Iraqi soldiers killing babies in their incubators and other stellar bits of propaganda?

We do love to create our messes and then ride in to the rescue, don’t we? Sell weapons to dictators, watch the mayhem, then ride to the rescue, secure the oil fields, set up the permanent military bases, and dole out the no-bid contracts.

BTW, anybody going to cop to being completely 100% wrong about Oliver misrepresenting Dana Milbank’s words? You know, the reason this thread got started?

Dude, put the crack pipe away.

Geez, Tom, why so tense?

I dunno – maybe twenty plus years of Rush and his friends in the mainstream media making statements about me and mine similar to the ones you’re objecting to might have something to do with it…

Man, your little phrase shows a lot about you.

Your selective outrage speaks volumes about your character as well…

“Republican’t Putsch fellators?” Wow, it’s a threefer!

You noticed!

“Repbulican’t.” My, how clever. And not a word from those who routinely howl about “the Democrat Party” and “Democraps” and the like. Thanks for demonstrating the selective outrage.

After I have said Republican’t all over the mainstream media for twenty plus years, then you might have a case. If 90 plus percent of the media echoed it for those twenty years as well.

Funny – you seem to be objecting to my offensive content, after twenty years plus of institutionalized offensiveness towards Democrats by the media. And me here with my little comments on a blog, and them saturating the media with their slur every day all day. That’s some fine comparative analysis you gots there…

“Putsch.” Yup, that just screams “hey, I just made a subtle allusion to Nazis! I called you Nazis without actually using the word! Ain’t I clever?”

Or it could mean that I have considered the illegal installation of the Republican’t candidate in the last two federal elections to be somewhat similar to a Putsch.

D. a plotted revolt or attempt to overthrow a government, esp. one that depends upon suddenness and speed.

“Fellators.” Hey, a homophobe too! My, ain’t you just all kinds of bigot?

The really funny part is when you combine the Nazi and homosexual slurs. The Nazis were notoriously homophobic — they are the ones who INVENTED the pink triangle, and used it to identify gays in concentration and death camps. Actual gay Nazis were extremely rare, and thoroughly closeted.

The really really funny part is when Republican’ts get all upset when someone treats them the same way they’ve treated Democrats for pretty much as long as I can remember…

How the hell did Oliver manage to lure you away from Democratic Underground?

How the heck did you manage to navigate through the intertubes from FReeperville to ODub’s web site?

By the way, nice subtle insult there – after your critique about my insulting ways, it’s particularly hypocritically delicious…

You hate Nazis. I can agree with that one. I hate Nazis, too. Especially Illinois Nazis.

Please don’t presume to tell me what I hate, what I like, how I think, why I think it, and/or anything else about me. Especially if you are criticizing me about making presumptuous statement you don’t like…

You hate Republicans. I can see that; there are a lot of Repbulicans I don’t like, either.

Actually, I don’t. I dislike any individuals who abuse the system. Especially the ones who hypocritically denounce others for doing the same thing they are doing themselves.

It might be a bit more accurate to say that I dislike politicians quite a bit.

You hate gays. That’s practically a hate crime these days. Better watch out for the civil rights groups.

Actually, I don’t hate them at all. But I’m relatively certain that actual statement from actual people stating their actual beliefs (when they don’t agree with your presumptions) would not be considered very much or given much credibility by you.

Strowbridge, if you’re reading this, I apologize. I’ve mocked your frothing rages in the past. But this guy makes you look like a piker. Hell, you’re almost the Dalai Lama compared to this gibbering dolt.

It is incredible to me that you fail to notice the much more offensive and vituperous remarks of the conservative propaganda catapultists spewing their hatred of all things Democratic all over the airwaves all day every day. And that you seem to be much more offended by someone commenting on a blog than you are about those screaming Democratic hatred to the american people in the mainstream media.

And another nice insult, while criticizing others for engaging in insulting behavior! Such moral consistency and exemplary behavior! What a sterling example of an upstanding individual!

You guys want him on your side? You’re more than welcome to him.

“I am not altogether on anybody’s side, because nobody is altogether on my side”.

Funny how the idiot rottweiler doesn’t seem to cause you nearly as much angst as little old me. Or that protein wisdom guy who wants to give everyone a cock slapping. Or sPammy Atlas or Michelle Maglalangadingdong or any of the many counter-examples I could bring up that seem to me to be much more offensive in their comments than I. Not to mention any of the mainstream media types. Oh – wait. You didn’t. Back to the fainting couch with you!

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=107_cong_public_laws&docid=f:publ243.107

Whereas in 1990 in response to Iraq’s war of aggression against and illegal occupation of Kuwait, the United States forged a coalition of nations to liberate Kuwait and its people in order to defend the national security of the United States and enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq;

Whereas after the liberation of Kuwait in 1991, Iraq entered into a United Nations sponsored cease-fire agreement pursuant to which Iraq unequivocally agreed, among other things, to eliminate its nuclear, biological, and chemical weapons programs and the means to deliver and develop them, and to end its support for international terrorism;

Whereas the efforts of international weapons inspectors, United States intelligence agencies, and Iraqi defectors led to the discovery that Iraq had large stockpiles of chemical weapons and a large scale biological weapons program, and that Iraq had an advanced nuclear weapons development program that was much closer to producing a nuclear weapon than intelligence reporting had previously indicated;

Whereas Iraq, in direct and flagrant violation of the cease-fire, attempted to thwart the efforts of weapons inspectors to identify and destroy Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction stockpiles and development capabilities, which finally resulted in the withdrawal of inspectors from Iraq on October 31, 1998;

Passed 296-133 in the House, 77-23 in the Senate. For those mathematically challenged, that’s over 2/3 in the House and over 3/4 in the Senate.

And that’s just the first four paragraphs, Zython. It goes on — and on and on — from there.

Astonishing what one can learn when one actually goes and looks things up and sees what really happened and stops mindlessly repeating platitudes and trite phrases like “Bush lied!!!!!!!” You might want to give it a try some time.

J.

*Pats Jay on the head*

good for you. Now run along and play, the grown-ups are talking.

not as much as all of you obama fellators hated hillary during the primaries

Again, I ask you, why should I have supported someone that didn’t want my support?

Oh, you wacky ultra-cons, why do you hate America so much?

Man, your little phrase shows a lot about you.

“Republican’t Putsch fellators?” Wow, it’s a threefer!

“Repbulican’t.” My, how clever. And not a word from those who routinely howl about “the Democrat Party” and “Democraps” and the like. Thanks for demonstrating the selective outrage.

“Putsch.” Yup, that just screams “hey, I just made a subtle allusion to Nazis! I called you Nazis without actually using the word! Ain’t I clever?”

“Fellators.” Hey, a homophobe too! My, ain’t you just all kinds of bigot?

The really funny part is when you combine the Nazi and homosexual slurs. The Nazis were notoriously homophobic — they are the ones who INVENTED the pink triangle, and used it to identify gays in concentration and death camps. Actual gay Nazis were extremely rare, and thoroughly closeted.

How the hell did Oliver manage to lure you away from Democratic Underground?

You hate Nazis. I can agree with that one. I hate Nazis, too. Especially Illinois Nazis.

You hate Republicans. I can see that; there are a lot of Repbulicans I don’t like, either.

You hate gays. That’s practically a hate crime these days. Better watch out for the civil rights groups.

Strowbridge, if you’re reading this, I apologize. I’ve mocked your frothing rages in the past. But this guy makes you look like a piker. Hell, you’re almost the Dalai Lama compared to this gibbering dolt.

You guys want him on your side? You’re more than welcome to him.

J.

“Waaaaa! Those evil Repugs are mean to me when I’m just trying to have a civil conversation with them” says the person who puts his retarded ‘Republican’t Putsch fellators’ phrase into every single one of his comments. Which, by the way, makes no sense… you can’t fellate a “Coup d’état”. Idiot.

Try advancing your ideas without the obligatory ‘Republican’t Putsch fellators’ or similar cracks and see if you get a different response.

That would be Saddam Hussein, who invaded Kuwait back in 1990, then refused to abide by the terms of his 1991 surrender. The “current” war is simply the extension and conclusion of that war.

J.

According to Dear Leader, Saddam Hussein started it because he was in cahoots with Osama bin Laden, didn’t destroy his many WMDs, and wouldn’t let weapons inspectors into Iraq. Oh, and he was attempted to acquire yellowcake uranium–from Africa!–to nuke us via balsa-wood drone planes. And other rock-solid reasons.

If that’s the “only thing you can see,” obviously nothing else could have possibly happened, for Mr. Tea is all-seeing.