The names are mighty familiar.
Inside the house, officers found ‘Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder’ by radio talk show host Michael Savage, ‘Let Freedom Ring’ by talk show host Sean Hannity, and ‘The O’Reilly Factor,’ by television talk show host Bill O’Reilly.
No Rush?
“Adkisson, 58, of Powell wrote a four-page letter in which he stated his “hatred of the liberal movement,” Owen said. “Liberals in general, as well as gays.”"
Nuke gay baby whales for jesus!
I agree with you now.
We should have citizen police tattling on each other as well as a speech monitoring agency to prevent evil people like hannity and o’reilly from causing things like this from happening.
But we won’t apply it to guys like William Ayers. His cause was just, right?
I am suprised there was no “Liberalism is a Sin”. This crazy captian in the army tried to get my dad to read this book. My dad’s comment was priceless: These books appeal to the pouting 3 year old in some people.
The fruit doesn’t fall far from the scumbag.
America: do you want these folks by your children?
“I agree with you now.”
We should have citizen police tattling on each other as well as a speech monitoring agency…”
When has Oliver ever proposed either of those things? He certainly didn’t do it in this post.
“B-but that’s guilt by association, and we would NEVER do that to a liberal/Democrat!”
So liberalism is a mental health disorder and autism is 99% fake. Thanks, Savage, from a father of two autistic boys.
“We should have citizen police tattling on each other as well as a speech monitoring agency to prevent evil people like hannity and o’reilly from causing things like this from happening.”
Well thanks to Republicans, all of that’s already going on. And since profiling for fundamentalist terrorism is perfectly justified to Republicans, I’m sure you won’t mind if we indiscriminantly round up thousands of right-wing Christians and haul them off to Gitmo for a little harsh interrogation and indefinite detention. Right?
Otherwise, you’re a surrender monkey who hates America.
Dang, someone else beat me to the William Ayers reference. But to spell it out, this confessed, unrepentant terrorist was — and still is — a longtime friend and associate of Barack Obama’s.
But this does remind me of the delightful exercise someone concocted a while ago, mixing up quotes from the Unabomber’s manifesto and Al Gore’s “Earth In The Balance.” It was impossible to tell the difference between the works of Mr. Kaczynski and Mr. Gore.
Mark David Chapman had a copy of “Catcher In The Rye” on him when he killed John Lennon.
Here’s a news flash: crazy people do crazy things.
And here’s a bit of heresy: people are responsible for their own actions. They don’t get to say “so-and-so MADE me do it!” Especially if it turns out that so-and-so doesn’t even know that crazy person X even exists.
This is ALMOST as lame as the applesauce story. It’ll be a while before that one gets topped.
J.
I call bullshit until I see a complete book list. Any violent wingnut without a copy of “The Turner Diaries” is a n00b. Killing for Michael Savage Weiner or Bill O is truly a cry for help, not a great example of conservative ideology taken to its natural conclusion (though not for lack of effort by Weiner and O’reilly).
Again, while this isn’t exactly surprising given his hatred of liberals, it’s not exactly a first cause here, since this guy most definately had deeper psychological problems than just his reading habits, and whatever else he may have been, being a fan of O’Reilly doesn’t inherently make one capable of murder.
That said, I’m actually surprised there’s no Coulter there. Wasn’t she the one who said something to the effect of needing to kill more liberals to physically intimidate them all into realizing they can be killed too or something? Again, not that I’m saying she would have caused it to happen, but interesting theres no direct connection considering they share the same crazy fuck ideaology, no?
JT, you are probably right. The guy was a ticking bomb, and if it hadn’t been ‘teh librals’ he would have likely found some other group to take his psychosis out on.
That being said, if I had made widely broadcast statements or written a best-selling book vilifying a group of people with whom I disagreed, and if those statements were then used by some nutcase to justify his violent actions against those same people, I just might do some serious soul-searching about my use of rhetoric and its unintended consequences.
But then you’d have the kind of self-awareness that eludes JT and his ilk.
To those guys, everything they happen fuck up is the Liberals fault. But woe betide anybody who holds a self-profess Conservative accountable for their rhetorical excesses.
Quaker in the Basement, give Southern Quaker one of those fist jab thingies.
I might do that, Quaker. But I would be very, very careful to make sure that the blame ends up right where it belongs — not the gun, not the guy’s choice of reading material, not the whacked-out excuses the whacko used to justify it, but on the shooter himself. (Or, very rarely, the shooter herself.)
Unless a major pattern started to emerge. When the incidents started to pile up, I’d be more inclined to look at the common elements in the killers’ backgrounds, stated motives, and declared influences. One incident is a random blip. Two, possibly coincidence. Three, still not conclusive.
A couple hundred, then I’d be worried.
That’s why I don’t worry about the ideological influence of Michael Savage (an asshole of the first magnitude), but am deeply concerned about militant Islam.
Count up the number of violent incidents that are linked to Savage, Limbaugh, Coulter, Hannity, and any more conservative commentators you like, and I’ll give you at least a dozen where the perpetrators claimed to be following the Koran.
Count it by incident or body count, and I’ll win that contest handily.
J.
“Well thanks to Republicans, all of that’s already going on. And since profiling for fundamentalist terrorism is perfectly justified to Republicans, I’m sure you won’t mind if we indiscriminantly round up thousands of right-wing Christians and haul them off to Gitmo for a little harsh interrogation and indefinite detention. Right?
Otherwise, you’re a surrender monkey who hates America.”
A) do you really see a problem with profiling for FUNDAMENTALIST TERROR? I don’t.
B) I wasn’t aware that we are running around “rounding up muslims by the thousand,” as you insinuate. Yes, we have people at Gitmo caught on a battlefield, which to anyone that doesn’t want to lose a war for political expediency, is very reasonable and normal during times of war. Name one person you know that has been “rounded up” by the Bush gestapo, you fraud.
And if you want to got back and forth with fundamentalist terror…..I’ll put muslims fanatics at the top of the heap now.
http://www.religionofpeace.net
Read it and weep. Profiling is justified, especially when there’s such a widespread movement behind such barbaric acts. If one muslim one time went nuts and shot some people, I wouldn’t want profiling, it wouldn’t be needed. But that’s not the case. It’s more like 11,500 times.
Go back to the corner and put your dunce cap on.
“One incident is a random blip. Two, possibly coincidence. Three, still not conclusive. A couple hundred, then I’d be worried.”
The Koran comes to mind.
Years ago I wrote a magazine article that led a young man to accomplish the most profound and challenging act of his life up to that time. I was overwhelmed and uplifted by the positive influence my writing had on this young man’s life. Twenty years later, I still get teary eyed when telling his story to friends.
It goes both ways, but when the influence is negative, he’s just a crazy guy who happened to read some books, and we’re not permitted to suggest they had any influence. I’m sure the right wing merchants of hatred sleep very well at night, but were I in their position, I would not.
I suppose that is one of the differences between me and conservatives. I will defebnd their First Amendment right to spew their hatred, and attempt to counter it with something positive, but it is apparent to me that these people do not have consciences.
Another book that has had just a wonderful impact on humanity is the communist manifesto.
That’s had a much more significant impact than any right-wing literature. Communism only killed what….like 100,000,000 people.
LMAO!
Get over yourself.
Leftist regimes are far more brutal than any other.
There have been too many cases of white christian conservative shooting sprees, and of weapons-stockpiling white movements, the only reason these people are not rightfully called terrorists is due to white privilege.
Called and treated as terrorists
I find I agree with Jay Tea here. Disturbed people will find a reason to act out, and healthy people will not obey when Ann Coulter tells them to intimidate liberals.
I see the issue of radical Islam as much more complex than that of Mr. Adkinson, though – at play are the legacy of colonialism, massive income inequality in middle eastern countries, Israel and its multi-faceted dealings with Palestine and its neighbors, and lastly, doctrinal concerns used to justify what are basically the usual tactics of asymmetric war.
It goes both ways, but when the influence is negative, he’s just a crazy guy who happened to read some books, and we’re not permitted to suggest they had any influence. I’m sure the right wing merchants of hatred sleep very well at night, but were I in their position, I would not.
Yes, but the price of silencing them is too high. I realize you didn’t suggest censorship, but what’s the alternative? We can’t change that they exist, nor that they have an audience.
Leftist regimes are far more brutal than any other.
Because everyone knows that Hitler was a liberal. Can you point to a liberal DEMOCRACY that slaughtered its citizens like that? No, you can’t, because you are substituting the phrase “leftist regime” for what were actually dictatorships devoid of any political leanings other than naked power. If Bush had the power of a Stalin or a Mao, I would be a lot more worried, because he is also a sociopath just like they were.
Can you point out any recent killing sprees by American liberals? I can’t think of any, because the crazies shooting up churches and stockpiling bombs and weapons always seem to turn out to be nutwingers, but I’m sure you have some examples for us.
To validate your statement, that is, because otherwise it would be bull$#!t.
Another book that has had just a wonderful impact on humanity is the communist manifesto.
Poor human rights records aren’t partisan.
In other news, sky still blue.
Repack, all mccann needs to validate his statement is the fact that, in his eyes, something is “obvious to anyone with a brian!” The less we feed the troll the quicker he may choose never again to darken our doorstep.
And on that note, I implore the intertubes again, is there not a GreaseMonkey script or anything that’ll just automatically turn his comments invisible for us looking at them or anything? If we got him out of our hair, why we’d have so much more time for activities!
Caged Lion says:
Apparently far too many to actually cite.
I said that I could name a dozen examples of whackjobs citing the Koran for every whackjob that uses right-wing commentators as their justification. Well, the last time I checked, twelve times zero is zero.
Ruby Ridge? The guy was set up by eager government agents.
Waco? No better way to stop child sexual abuse by burning ‘em all to death.
The FLDS in Texas? Turns out the tipster was NOT a child in the group, but some obsessed whackjob who has a history of phoning in phony “distress calls” to police about the FLDS.
Hey, I’ll even give you one. Timothy McVeigh. Funny how few people defended him, and there was near unanimous cheering when he was executed.
McVeigh was just a more successful counterpart to Bill Ayers.
J.
No….
you blame literature for this killing, yet right wing literature hasn’t had nearly the negative consequences to the world that leftist literature has. you conveniently leave that out.
you also seem to conveniently NOT ever mention the thousands of attacks that have been committed in the name of the koran.
Now…..why would you forget those things, yet be up in arms over one nutcase that read a book by bill oreilly?
Name one person you know that has been “rounded up” by the Bush gestapo, you fraud.”
Maher Arar
http://www.maherarar.ca/
Thanks again for proving my point, Nazi.
You’ve apparently know many examples, terrorist lover.
you blame literature for this killing, yet right wing literature hasn’t had nearly the negative consequences to the world that leftist literature has. you conveniently leave that out.
So right, Mr. Crazypants.
Until firght-wing crazies kill at least as many people in America as were killed in Russia during the Stalinist purges, we’ll just STFU.
‘Cause those are both totally the same.
Nutbag.
Holy shit, I think mccann’s actual point is that “liberal” books (including, somehow, the Communist Manifesto and the Koran) have killed people, but conservative books don’t. Wow. Just fucking Wow.
Quaker in the Basement, give Southern Quaker one of those fist jab thingies.
Sorry. I’m late today. TFJ>>>>to Brother S. Quaker!
Or is it sister?
NO rex you idiot…..
If you’re going to blame books for killing people, then blame all of them that can be linked to the act of murder, and complain about them equally, especially considering the bar you seem to have set for literature to be blamed for killing is one random nut reading a bill oreilly or michael savage book.
Be consistent, or lose any shred of credibility. It’s that simple.
Okay, but, mccann you dipshit, I’m not saying the books caused him to kill. I’ve said as much in this thread and the previous one. I’m not going to get into the finer points about how its a particular interpretation of Islam or Marx’s writings that leads to one end or another (points which you would much rather ignore to maintain your gross generalizations) and how, unless they specifically say “I recommend you fly planes into buildings/build an oppressive totaliarian regime” they might be a little distinct from, to repeat, Coulter expressing her wish for more liberals to be outright murdered then there might be a bit more of a difference between the two than you would care to acknowledge because the fucking point is fucking moot in the fucking first fucking place you fucking fuck.
He was a crazy bastard, and that alone is why he killed. He maybe finds justification in Savage’s books, the same way a blindly America-hating muslim finds justification in his personal reading of the Koran, the same way Charles Manson found his reason in his own batshit interpretation of Helter Skelter. Are the Beatles to blame? The Koran? Michael Savage? No, No, and who could’ve guessed, No again.
And yet now we come to the crux of it. For you to argue that Savage, Hannity, O’Reilly, etc. didn’t have anything to do with this senseless killing, you then have to, for the sake of consistency which you so highly praise, concede that neither does the Koran automatically compell people to kill, nor did Marx’s writings compel Stalin to his atrocities, etc.
In short, you have to concede that all these “left-wing killings” you’ve been on about are in fact no such thing. Respond immediately, sadist.
Also, you’ve failed to call everyone you disagree with a Marxist yet again. Be consistent, or lose any shred of credibility. It’s that simple.
QiB: sister, thanx and tfj right back at you (in the peaceful, non-violent sense, of course)
Rex, what you look for when linking literature to killings, if you plan on doing something about it, is a pattern of behavior.
In this case, we have one random that had an oreilly & savage book. One single lone nutcase. In the case of radical muslims, we have over 11,000 attacks, a global movement, and political wings of this in countries everywhere. That is dangerous.
One warrants profiling, the other, not at all.
If you want to waste your time profiling republicans because of this guy, go ahead. Whatever. I guess that would probably make you feel better about yourself, you know, criticizing generally white/hetero/christian people to prove to everyone that your tolerant, while ignoring and even standing up for and defending islamic fascists whom are the real threat.
In closing, I’ll just say this. If radical nuts like this man that shot up this church were part of a powerful political movement that condoned and preached this sort of violent behavior, and had factions and political wings everywhere in the world also, you could bet your ass I’d be profiling them. I have common sense. Only an idiot wouldn’t profile. I don’t care what demographic they’re a part of.
Unfortunately, liberals do. You are too hesitant to stand up to anyone that isn’t white/hetero/christian, because without their votes that you’ve bought through pandering for decades now, your party would cease to exist.
Repond now, Che-lover.
mccann, you do realize that all the name-calling just makes you sound like a spoiled 10-year old, right?
“In closing… Repond now.”
For fuck’s sake I don’t know why I’m even bothering, but to repeat it yet again…
I DON’T FOR ONE GODSDAMN SECOND BLAME THIS LUNATIC’S ACTIONS ON MICHAEL SAVAGE’S STUPID FUCKING BOOK.
I’ve said nothing about profiling, as that’s a seperate discussion. One which, I might add, requires an eye for more nuance than your knee-jerk anti-mooslamb attitude will allow (just say ragheads and be done with the artificial tension over it, would you please?) but in short, while Profiling is effective, doing so on only one or two criteria, such as skin tone and religious particulars, is both inneffective and offensive. However, since I hadn’t till just now said nothing about it, why the fuck are you fighting me over it?
I’m making a point about the fucking cause of the behavior. There’s more going on in the Muslim community than the fucking book, alright? Socio-economics, persecution, both real and percieved, not that these excuse the behaviour of the crazies among them, but just like with this guy and his reading habits, general traits of the group have nothing to do with the behavior of the extremists.
Michael Savage didn’t make this guy shoot up the church, The Beatles didn’t make Manson go homocidal, and the Quran doesn’t make people fly planes into buildings. Whatever reason they have for doing these horrible things, these “explanations” are only really excuses, and speak nothing of whatever the real cause is. We both agree on the first two, but even though the third logically follows with the exact same reasoning, you’ll fight me to the death for your god-given right to look at every damn dirty raghead funny for the rest of your life.
You’re such a fucking benighted imbecile though that you refuse to see how I could be agreeing with you on the one point, just because it has implications on the other. You’re so fucking think you can’t be bothered to actually hear not just what the hell I’m saying, but what the hell YOU’RE saying too.
Okay, going back to, and I just want to maximally stress this, CAUSES of behavior now, you never answered the question, in spite of my insistance that you do so. First, are we agreed that conservative literature doesn’t make people kill-crazy? Alright then, plese explain how the Quran does make people kill crazy. They’re both just fucking books. How is Helter Skelter not a legitimate cause when The Communist Manifesto is one? What makes something a “cause” of this kind of behavior in your view, noted social psychologist that you are, beyond the one criteria that you’ve made abundantly clear, that TCM and the Quran are somehow both “liberal.”
Re-pond now, dickstain.
“You are too hesitant to stand up to anyone that isn’t white/hetero/christian, because without their votes that you’ve bought through pandering for decades now, your party would cease to exist.”
“Repond now, Che-lover.”
Don’t love Che. Which party would cease to exist WITHOUT white, hetero, Christians?
Plus, what Ms. Quaker says.
Assuming McCann’s number of 11,000 terrorist attacks is correct, there are roughly one billion Muslims in the world. Generously, just to be completely overly fair so nobody can claim I massaged the numbers, let’s assume ten people perpetrated each attack, for a total of 110,000 Muslims who have actually perpetrated terroristic violence. Even at that figure, out of every ten thousand Muslims you meet, one will eventually be involved in an act of terrorism.
I, for one, am terrified.
Love CHEetos, though.
And for the record, what the everlasting FUCK have I ever said that suggests to you that I hate straight white christians? Seriously, fucking where? Where have I ever said anything even fucking remotely like that you worthless shit?
And that’s almost my fucking point right there. I don’t actually need to have ever said anything like that for you to attack me for it. Savage isnt the reason why the church was attacked any more than the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand is the “cause” of World War 1. Ferdinand was a damn excuse to go to war, not the reason for it. (No, I don’t know enough history to know exactly what the various causes were, I just know they went beyond the one fucking bullet)
And here you are, so eager to fight me that you’ve actually just fucking made up excuses to, based on shit that I never actually said. I’d like to thank you for proving my point, and congradulate you on being the living disproof of your own fucking argument, you worthless shit.
Jesus… anyone got an aspirin?
(No, I don’t know enough history to know exactly what the various causes were, I just know they went beyond the one fucking bullet)
A clusterfuck of mutual defense treaties, growing ‘we’re better than you’ nationalism, colonial rivalries, a desire to try out new toys, etc., etc. Ferdinand is to WWI as Pearl Harbor is to WWII’s Pacific Theater – a symptom of already existing aggression, not the cause of it.
“You’ve apparently know many examples, terrorist lover.”
Examples of extrajudicial screw-ups? You betcha.
But wait! There’s more!
Khaled Masri
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/03/AR2005120301476_pf.html
You are too hesitant to stand up to anyone that isn’t white/hetero/christian, because without their votes that you’ve bought through pandering for decades now, your party would cease to exist.
Good job, mccann. You’re finally revealing your true colors:
White votes = principled, logical
Minority votes = sold for a cynical promise
Maybe you’d like it better if only white folks were allowed to vote, mccann?
Jesus… anyone got an aspirin?
I have Motrin.
You Che-lover you!
mccan,
If you need a hug, just say so:) You sound like Savage himself.
“mccann, you do realize that all the name-calling just makes you sound like a spoiled 10-year old, right?”
SQuaker: You really shouldn’t be giving that spoiled 9-year old any compliments.
Rex: Soon, you’ll learn that there is no such thing as rational discussions with mccan or jay. Think of them as Gilligans. They are here for our entertainment. Their purpose for being is to be laughed at, mocked, & villified!
As for your ignorant and uninformed statement about 11,000 terrorist attacks by muslims parthenon…..
Here’s a survey of over 50,000 muslims. According to this, 7% are radicals, which globally, translates to about 91 million.
That is alarming.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/greenwald/2731
But you folks would rather act like oreilly and savage should be banned over one white, hetero, christian nut, the demographic you HATE, loses it and shoots up a church.
Hypocrites. Bloody hypocrites.
Respond now, red army.
Actually, come to think of it, my 9-year old is more mature and well-reasoned than mccann.
McCann, I was kidding. You might need to relax a bit. You’ll live to fight the good fight a little bit longer. But I’ll take a gander at your link if/when I get the time.
Actually, come to think of it, my 9-year old is more mature and well-reasoned than mccann.
Although I bet your nine-year-old isn’t half as entertaining, and that’s no insult to your nine-year-old. I’ve really come to look forward to Il Duce’s posts, and the many witticisms they inspire.
“Waco? No better way to stop child abuse by burning ‘em all to death.”
The Branch Davidians, according to a report issued by Repulbican John Danforth, were the ones who set fire to their own compound. Just because the Michigan Militia says something is true, that doesn’t mean that it is true.
I also like how McCann implies that the Koran is “leftist literature.” The Koran isn’t literature, and it’s not certainly not leftist, but otherwise, his point here is dead on.
As a former member of a liberal church in Tennessee, this shooting really hit me hard. And it occurred to me that another strikingly sad fact about the gunman is that he was unskilled, unable to find a job, and his food stamps ran out. In other words, the free market had no place for him, and the social safety net wasn’t there to prevent him from decending into total destitution. And who was he angry at? Liberals. The same liberals who say that we need to strengthen the safety net for just such people in just such circumstances. It’s a tragedy in a lot of ways.
you blame literature for this killing, yet right wing literature hasn’t had nearly the negative consequences to the world that leftist literature has. you conveniently leave that out.
Literature never killed anyone, ever. Books don’t have the power to kill.
Sorry I’m late to this shindig, I just got back from getting married in Vegas, baby!
Sorry, but when you use eliminationist rhetoric, you don’t get to claim innocence when someone, no matter how crazy, takes you seriously.
Sorry I’m late to this shindig, I just got back from getting married in Vegas, baby!
Congrats to you sir!
thank you, thank you. TFJ’s all around.
Actually gave one to a flight attendant last night in Boston. And got one from the taxi guy at the Mirage.
Did you happen to tell the flight attendant what TFJ stood for?
COngratulations, Duros!
I wasn’t aware that we are running around “rounding up muslims by the thousand,” as you insinuate.
Well, what you aren’t aware of could fill a warehouse.