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	<title>Comments on: Applesauce vs. John McCain</title>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/28/applesauce-vs-john-mccain/#comment-106433</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Actually, my issue wasn’t with the sauce spill, it was just the unnatural forced nature of the whole enterprise. Even for the usual nonsensery of campaigning, it comes across silly.&lt;/i&gt;

Was this supposed to be the flip side of Obama&#039;s trip abroad? 

Seriously?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Actually, my issue wasn’t with the sauce spill, it was just the unnatural forced nature of the whole enterprise. Even for the usual nonsensery of campaigning, it comes across silly.</i></p>
<p>Was this supposed to be the flip side of Obama&#8217;s trip abroad? </p>
<p>Seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/28/applesauce-vs-john-mccain/#comment-106267</link>
		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Politics and issues aside, this campaign is looking more and more like amateur hour. Run by poli-sci students on the lower slopes of the bell curve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Politics and issues aside, this campaign is looking more and more like amateur hour. Run by poli-sci students on the lower slopes of the bell curve.</p>
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		<title>By: Repack Rider</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/28/applesauce-vs-john-mccain/#comment-106252</link>
		<dc:creator>Repack Rider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain is a fighter ace.  For the other side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain is a fighter ace.  For the other side.</p>
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		<title>By: Becky S</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/28/applesauce-vs-john-mccain/#comment-106242</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another case in point about events and the McCain symbolism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yuHylcp4lY

Certainly the idea that someone who can&#039;t organize the simplest event can&#039;t be expected to organize a country.  To try and convince me of the contrary would be a task.  I&#039;d like to know someone can organized a huge movement and give it voice rather than someone like McCain who can only manage to belittle and look pitiful to others. 
 
Sad really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another case in point about events and the McCain symbolism.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yuHylcp4lY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yuHylcp4lY</a></p>
<p>Certainly the idea that someone who can&#8217;t organize the simplest event can&#8217;t be expected to organize a country.  To try and convince me of the contrary would be a task.  I&#8217;d like to know someone can organized a huge movement and give it voice rather than someone like McCain who can only manage to belittle and look pitiful to others. </p>
<p>Sad really.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/28/applesauce-vs-john-mccain/#comment-106237</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that McCain&#039;s baby mama in the clip?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that McCain&#8217;s baby mama in the clip?</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/28/applesauce-vs-john-mccain/#comment-106230</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Great. By this logic, any concert promoter could be President of the United States.&lt;/i&gt;

Mission accomplished!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Great. By this logic, any concert promoter could be President of the United States.</i></p>
<p>Mission accomplished!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/28/applesauce-vs-john-mccain/#comment-106229</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It certainly doesn’t bode well that McCain’s organization can’t organize a decent press event in a mom &amp; pop grocery store. How are they ever going to organize an entire government into dealing with all the crisis that the US is involved in?&lt;/i&gt;

Great. By this logic, any concert promoter could be President of the United States.

Where do you people come up with this nonsense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It certainly doesn’t bode well that McCain’s organization can’t organize a decent press event in a mom &amp; pop grocery store. How are they ever going to organize an entire government into dealing with all the crisis that the US is involved in?</i></p>
<p>Great. By this logic, any concert promoter could be President of the United States.</p>
<p>Where do you people come up with this nonsense?</p>
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		<title>By: merl</title>
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		<dc:creator>merl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 11:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John McBush was the best aviator the NVA had, hands down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John McBush was the best aviator the NVA had, hands down.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/28/applesauce-vs-john-mccain/#comment-106215</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Awkward indeed.&lt;/i&gt;

Especially since she was a hired shill. What they need to do is rehearse rehears rehearse. Come on people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Awkward indeed.</i></p>
<p>Especially since she was a hired shill. What they need to do is rehearse rehears rehearse. Come on people!</p>
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		<title>By: Haplo9</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/28/applesauce-vs-john-mccain/#comment-106213</link>
		<dc:creator>Haplo9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 04:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I especially like the part where the lady points to this small applesauce container and gets her hand about 6 inches away from it in the process, but rather than just grabbing it, she asks this guy in the suit to grab that for her, like it would be hugely helpful to do so. Awkward indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I especially like the part where the lady points to this small applesauce container and gets her hand about 6 inches away from it in the process, but rather than just grabbing it, she asks this guy in the suit to grab that for her, like it would be hugely helpful to do so. Awkward indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jena Beckman</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/28/applesauce-vs-john-mccain/#comment-106190</link>
		<dc:creator>Jena Beckman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It certainly doesn&#039;t bode well that McCain&#039;s organization can&#039;t organize a decent press event in a mom &amp; pop grocery store.  How are they ever going to organize an entire government into dealing with all the crisis that the US is involved in?

If I walked into the kitchen and saw this team working on dinner, I&#039;d go to another restaurant, that&#039;s for sure.
 
Incompetent in one area, likely to be incompetent in many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It certainly doesn&#8217;t bode well that McCain&#8217;s organization can&#8217;t organize a decent press event in a mom &amp; pop grocery store.  How are they ever going to organize an entire government into dealing with all the crisis that the US is involved in?</p>
<p>If I walked into the kitchen and saw this team working on dinner, I&#8217;d go to another restaurant, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
<p>Incompetent in one area, likely to be incompetent in many.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/28/applesauce-vs-john-mccain/#comment-106185</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It kind of overlooks the fact that you’re comparing current events with something that happened 40 years ago, and has been the subject of extensive analysis and review and scrutiny and study. &lt;/em&gt;

So? If John McCain hadn&#039;t handled it so incompetently, no one would be saying these things about him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It kind of overlooks the fact that you’re comparing current events with something that happened 40 years ago, and has been the subject of extensive analysis and review and scrutiny and study. </em></p>
<p>So? If John McCain hadn&#8217;t handled it so incompetently, no one would be saying these things about him.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/28/applesauce-vs-john-mccain/#comment-106181</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:33:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a bad rebuttal, Quaker. It kind of overlooks the fact that you&#039;re comparing current events with something that happened 40 years ago, and has been the subject of extensive analysis and review and scrutiny and study. The films of the USS Forrestal accident have been required viewing for literally generations of sailors as part of their damage control training. It led to major shakeups in the Navy on numerous fronts, from handling munitions to safety features to &quot;every sailor is a firefighter&quot; to just how to fight a fire on board a ship. It has been the subject of countless articles, several documentaries (I&#039;ve seen it in about four different contexts on the History Channel alone), and at least one book. It has an extensive Wikipedia entry.

McCain gave his full account of his involvement to the Navy investigation at the time. It&#039;s all on the record. It&#039;s all there, and has been for literally decades.

McCain lost five planes under his command. That&#039;s not in dispute. But to say that he &quot;Crashes 4 aircraft by accident before being shot down in fifth aircraft&quot; is just plain factually wrong. And for anyone -- regardless of their feelings about McCain -- to let those misstatements (I won&#039;t call them lies, because I do think that PD is just ignorant and/or stupid) is to perpetuate lies, and to allow lying to become an accepted tactic.

It&#039;s the kind of stupid response that demonstrates the laziness of the critic. It&#039;s kind of like, in another thread here, someone said that they didn&#039;t think that Donald Rumsfeld had enough experience to be named Secretary of Defense by Bush -- ignoring the fact that Rumsfeld had ALREADY held that job, under President Ford. (Feel free to fault the man on any of a zillion other grounds, but he was the one of the most &quot;experienced&quot; candidates around.) 

But back to that applesauce... how DARE that stockboy be so clumsy!

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a bad rebuttal, Quaker. It kind of overlooks the fact that you&#8217;re comparing current events with something that happened 40 years ago, and has been the subject of extensive analysis and review and scrutiny and study. The films of the USS Forrestal accident have been required viewing for literally generations of sailors as part of their damage control training. It led to major shakeups in the Navy on numerous fronts, from handling munitions to safety features to &#8220;every sailor is a firefighter&#8221; to just how to fight a fire on board a ship. It has been the subject of countless articles, several documentaries (I&#8217;ve seen it in about four different contexts on the History Channel alone), and at least one book. It has an extensive Wikipedia entry.</p>
<p>McCain gave his full account of his involvement to the Navy investigation at the time. It&#8217;s all on the record. It&#8217;s all there, and has been for literally decades.</p>
<p>McCain lost five planes under his command. That&#8217;s not in dispute. But to say that he &#8220;Crashes 4 aircraft by accident before being shot down in fifth aircraft&#8221; is just plain factually wrong. And for anyone &#8212; regardless of their feelings about McCain &#8212; to let those misstatements (I won&#8217;t call them lies, because I do think that PD is just ignorant and/or stupid) is to perpetuate lies, and to allow lying to become an accepted tactic.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the kind of stupid response that demonstrates the laziness of the critic. It&#8217;s kind of like, in another thread here, someone said that they didn&#8217;t think that Donald Rumsfeld had enough experience to be named Secretary of Defense by Bush &#8212; ignoring the fact that Rumsfeld had ALREADY held that job, under President Ford. (Feel free to fault the man on any of a zillion other grounds, but he was the one of the most &#8220;experienced&#8221; candidates around.) </p>
<p>But back to that applesauce&#8230; how DARE that stockboy be so clumsy!</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/28/applesauce-vs-john-mccain/#comment-106170</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;That’s what happens when you mindlessly mouth talking points you’ve picked up elsewhere.&lt;/em&gt;

It&#039;s not PD&#039;s fault, Mr. Tea. It&#039;s just that McCain has handled it all so ineptly.

It appears that there was a very plausible, very reasonable storyline that explained the matter in a satisfactory manner. But the McCain camp didn’t manage that very well. Here it is, years after the accident, and it’s taken a serious McCain &lt;strike&gt;sycophant&lt;/strike&gt; supporter to find out these particulars and piece them together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>That’s what happens when you mindlessly mouth talking points you’ve picked up elsewhere.</em></p>
<p>It&#8217;s not PD&#8217;s fault, Mr. Tea. It&#8217;s just that McCain has handled it all so ineptly.</p>
<p>It appears that there was a very plausible, very reasonable storyline that explained the matter in a satisfactory manner. But the McCain camp didn’t manage that very well. Here it is, years after the accident, and it’s taken a serious McCain <strike>sycophant</strike> supporter to find out these particulars and piece them together.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/28/applesauce-vs-john-mccain/#comment-106168</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, Oliver. I don&#039;t know how anyone could have drawn the wrong conclusion from your title calling specific attention to the applesauce and your careful enunciation of your point -- &quot;Yeah, just a regular guy. A regular, awkward, guy.&quot;

What kind of idiots were we to see the mention of applesauce in the title, the use of the word &quot;awkward,&quot; and foolishly connect the two? Especially considering the care and effort you took into spelling out just what you meant? 

By the way, your expression of concern for Senator McCain&#039;s health after the announcement of the removal of the growth on his face was quite touching, and I share your wishing him nothing but good health in the future. It&#039;s nice to see that you can, on occasion, set aside partisanship and every now and then remember that we&#039;re all Americans, we&#039;re all human, and politics sometimes don&#039;t enter into the equation.

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, Oliver. I don&#8217;t know how anyone could have drawn the wrong conclusion from your title calling specific attention to the applesauce and your careful enunciation of your point &#8212; &#8220;Yeah, just a regular guy. A regular, awkward, guy.&#8221;</p>
<p>What kind of idiots were we to see the mention of applesauce in the title, the use of the word &#8220;awkward,&#8221; and foolishly connect the two? Especially considering the care and effort you took into spelling out just what you meant? </p>
<p>By the way, your expression of concern for Senator McCain&#8217;s health after the announcement of the removal of the growth on his face was quite touching, and I share your wishing him nothing but good health in the future. It&#8217;s nice to see that you can, on occasion, set aside partisanship and every now and then remember that we&#8217;re all Americans, we&#8217;re all human, and politics sometimes don&#8217;t enter into the equation.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OW: &lt;i&gt;Actually, my issue wasn’t with the sauce spill...&lt;/i&gt;

Oh, sorry then.  I was (again) mislead by your choice of what to emphasize in your headline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OW: <i>Actually, my issue wasn’t with the sauce spill&#8230;</i></p>
<p>Oh, sorry then.  I was (again) mislead by your choice of what to emphasize in your headline.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PD, if you&#039;re going to recite the litany, GET THE DETAILS RIGHT.

One of those four planes was blown up from under him while he was strapped into the pilot&#039;s seat, and the plane itself was tied down on deck. A rocket from another plane on the flight deck was misfired and started one of the biggest peacetime accidents in American carrier history -- the USS Forrestal fire. 

Look it up some time. Hell of a story. I have a book on it -- &quot;Sailors To The End.&quot; McCain was damned lucky; a lot of other men died that day, and by all rights he should have been killed, too.

McCain&#039;s role in that particular incident is very much parallel to saying he &quot;totaled a car&quot; when he was sitting in it, parked, engine off, and got hit by another car. 

That&#039;s what happens when you mindlessly mouth talking points you&#039;ve picked up elsewhere.

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PD, if you&#8217;re going to recite the litany, GET THE DETAILS RIGHT.</p>
<p>One of those four planes was blown up from under him while he was strapped into the pilot&#8217;s seat, and the plane itself was tied down on deck. A rocket from another plane on the flight deck was misfired and started one of the biggest peacetime accidents in American carrier history &#8212; the USS Forrestal fire. </p>
<p>Look it up some time. Hell of a story. I have a book on it &#8212; &#8220;Sailors To The End.&#8221; McCain was damned lucky; a lot of other men died that day, and by all rights he should have been killed, too.</p>
<p>McCain&#8217;s role in that particular incident is very much parallel to saying he &#8220;totaled a car&#8221; when he was sitting in it, parked, engine off, and got hit by another car. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s what happens when you mindlessly mouth talking points you&#8217;ve picked up elsewhere.</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: PD100</title>
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		<dc:creator>PD100</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Graduated 894 out of 899 in flight school, earning over 100 demerits. Crashes 4 aircraft by accident before being shot down in fifth aircraft. 
Cheats on wife then divorces.
Marries rodeo beauty queen / brewery heiress 17 years younger than him.

Yep, man of the people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Graduated 894 out of 899 in flight school, earning over 100 demerits. Crashes 4 aircraft by accident before being shot down in fifth aircraft.<br />
Cheats on wife then divorces.<br />
Marries rodeo beauty queen / brewery heiress 17 years younger than him.</p>
<p>Yep, man of the people.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, my issue wasn&#039;t with the sauce spill, it was just the unnatural forced nature of the whole enterprise. Even for the usual nonsensery of campaigning, it comes across silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, my issue wasn&#8217;t with the sauce spill, it was just the unnatural forced nature of the whole enterprise. Even for the usual nonsensery of campaigning, it comes across silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, repack. Let&#039;s elect McCain to keep him out of supermarkets, and let Obama have all the time he wants to shoot hoops.

Vote McCain! Save the applesauce!

J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, repack. Let&#8217;s elect McCain to keep him out of supermarkets, and let Obama have all the time he wants to shoot hoops.</p>
<p>Vote McCain! Save the applesauce!</p>
<p>J.</p>
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