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I’m pretty sure Final Crisis sucks. I’m a DC fanboy so I’m buying it. But I will not be happy with it.
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July 26th, 2008
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I work with autistic teenagers every day. One of my coworkers has a 6 year old boy with autism. Savage should be shunned by society. It is a terrible indictment that he is followed by so many republican listeners.
“Radio station dropping Michael Savage…”
There is a God.
OW: I’m a DC fanboy so I’m buying it. But I will not be happy with it.
Thereby doing your part to ensure DC continues to produce crap like this.
You can’t complain about something and support it at the same time without showing your hypocrisy, Oliver.
You don’t like Final Crisis? Don’t buy it. Spending hard earned cash on something you know you won’t like just because it’s got a DC label on it? Nice Kool-Aid, that.
OW: I’m a DC fanboy so I’m buying it. But I will not be happy with it.
A more succinct explanation of your personal political logic, I could not imagine.
I’ve been loving Final Crisis so far.
Going to assume you haven’t been picking up the Fourth World collections? I won’t blame you for that; that’s DC’s fault for charging a total of $200 for the full set. Some paperbacks would be nice here, guys.
Course, given your age and your love of Superman, I expect you’ve got at least a cursory knowledge of the New Gods from the Superman animated series. And for my money, it’s great to see Dan Turpin again.
Anyway. I love the Fourth World stuff, and I love Morrison’s take on it. I loved it in Seven Soldiers and I’m glad to see him picking it back up here.
But I could give a crap about most of the spinoffs.
a) Savage should have been dropped long ago for his bigoted remarks. He’s only getting in trouble because now he’s attacking kids. Attacking minorities, women, liberals, all okay.
b) NPR has a new fundraising strategy, but they got in quite a bit of trouble over it. http://snap.tbo.com/pages/gallery.php?gallery=328396
From left to right, top to bottom, I believe that is:
Noah Adams
Neil Conan
Andrei Codrescu
Daniel Schorr
Bob Garfield
Ira Flatow
Steve Inskeep
Daniel Zwerdling
Juan Williams
Anyway, I’m glad they’re thinking out of the box.
“He’s only getting in trouble because now he’s attacking kids.”
I’d like someone to ask Mikey Boy a simple question in response to his outlandish remarks: “Mr. Savage, are you an expert or an authority in any way, shape, or form when it comes to the issue of autism?”
I thought the $200 was entirely worth it. It’s interesting (to me, anyway) that so much of this comes out of Morrison’s Seven Soldiers Mr. Miracle arc, but it sucks that they got rid of Scott Free. On the other hand, I’m more than happy to see the return of Sonny Sumo.
I work with autistic teenagers every day. One of my coworkers has a 6 year old boy with autism. Savage should be shunned by society.
JWG gives a perfect capsule of the primary difference between liberals and conservatives. Conservatives do not, as a rule, understand sympathy, only empathy. As with Nancy Reagan and stem cell research, Dick Cheney and gay marriage, and countless other examples, if JWG wasn’t directly touched by autism, based on his comments on this blog, I’m confident JWG would be indifferent at worst to Weiner’s comments. I identify as a liberal, and am not directly touched by autism, but it’s plainly obvious to me that Weiner is an asshole and the world would be a much better place if he did not have a radio show.
“…and the world would be a much better place if he did not have a radio show.”
Is there somewhere, maybe on the ‘net, where I can find Savage’s sponsors, so I can boycott them? I certainly don’t want to listen to his program (shudder) just to hear the commercials to find out what they are.
And I’m confident that you don’t know your head from your ass. If you’ve read the full breadth of my comments over the years, you’d have seen plenty of examples where I condemned comments from conservatives. The point of my example was to show that I have some expertise in the area of autism and I wasn’t just disgusted with Savage because he sounded mean.
However, there is one point in which we agree — conservatives don’t base policy on sympathy or what makes a person feel good. A person can feel sympathy without expecting the government to be involved with the solution.
The point of my example was to show that I have some expertise in the area of autism and I wasn’t just disgusted with Savage because he sounded mean.
Right, but if you didn’t have that expertise, you wouldn’t have been disgusted with Savage. Apologies if you think it sounds harsh, but I just don’t.
My point wasn’t to show that liberals are capable of doing the right thing (e.g. stem cell research, gay rights, civil rights, observing that Michael Savage is an asshole, etc.) without being directly affected. There’s no way in hell Nancy Reagan risks insulting the religious nutjobs of the Republican party by supporting stem cell research if it didn’t directly affect her. Same deal with Dick Cheney and gay marriage. Liberals don’t need to get run over by a dump truck to see that a stop sign is necessary, conservatives do. It’s not basing policy on sympathy (or necessarily making it an issue of government) or “making a person feel good,” it’s understanding that Jim Crow laws were wrong, gay marriage won’t end the world, stem cell research will save more lives then end them, etc. Please pay attention.
Er…at the end of the first paragraph, add “believe that you would.”
Well, my past condemnations within this blog prove I don’t need to have a personal connection to express my disgust. So while you can believe whatever you want, the facts support my point.
Also, which political party voted in higher percentages to end Jim Crow laws? Even your own examples don’t support your point.
So while you can believe whatever you want, the facts support my point.
I’m having trouble locating any of the many facts which you claim support your point. If you could just direct me to three specific examples, that would be awesome. Shouldn’t be too difficult for you.
Also, which political party voted in higher percentages to end Jim Crow laws? Even your own examples don’t support your point.
Who said anything about political parties? I was talking about liberals and conservatives. But you bring up a good point. Democrats like Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmand vehemently with the reform of Jim Crow Laws. Whatever happened to those guys, anyway?
Also, are you serious? That’s your argument? You’re pathetic.
“Also, which political party voted in higher percentages to end Jim Crow laws?”
It’s about ideology, not political party. Liberals from both parties voted en masse for the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The only people voting against it were conservatives from both parties.
Even Newt Gingrich said something to the effect that it was the liberal wing of the Democratic Party that was the driving force behind the Civil Rights Act of 1964.
Oh my. 80% of the Republican party were liberals? Do tell.
Google is your friend; I am not. Do your own work. To make things a little easier for you, I’ll remind people of my view that it is shameful that conservatives support people like Coulter. I’ve never listened to Savage, but I’ve read remarks that put him in the same pathetic league. There are plenty of ignorant and hateful people on the right.
Whatever happened to the other 115 democrats that voted against the bill? How many of them switched parties? How about William Fulbright? Al Gore, Sr? Robert Byrd?
“Oh my. 80% of the Republican party were liberals? Do tell.”
I never wrote that. What I did write was that all the liberals in Congress voted for the Civil Acts of 1964, and all the people who voted against it were conservatives (from both parties). I never wrote that only liberals voted for the bill (which is what your “80% of the Republican party were liberals”? quote clearly implied).
“Google is your friend.”
And reading comprehension is yours.
There are plenty of ignorant and hateful people on the right.
word.
Whatever happened to the other 115 democrats that voted against the bill? How many of them switched parties? How about William Fulbright? Al Gore, Sr? Robert Byrd?
Are you really still trotting out that tiresome trope? Are you suggesting that the Republican party in 2008 is the party of Civil Rights? Really? Perhaps you should ask a statistically significant sampling of black people, the Country Club set, or rural bars where the patrons listen to Rush Limbaugh and refer to football players by a really bad word. Or just visit South Carolina. Honestly, Robert Byrd? As The Editors observed, “It’s funny how the only racist Dixiecrat conservatives can’t forgive is the one who repents.” For the love of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, find a new talking point already.
Link to The Editors’ comment and other stuff:
http://thepoorman.net/2008/07/05/jesse-helms-is-a-dead-douchebag/
There are plenty of ignorant and hateful people on the right.
But don’t forget The Left. A lot of The Left is intolerant of racists, bigots, Religious Nutjobs, torturers, warmongers, etc.
But who is the Michael Savage of The Left? There must be plenty of those guys on the airwaves.
Attacking minorities, women, liberals, all okay.
Yes, because his audience is white male conservatives. However, even white males right-wingers are at risk of having autistic children, and so Savage was really attacking them. That’s why this time, he’s crossed a line.
But this gets back to how many conservatives can never see outside themselves– Savage seems like a perfectly reasonable guy to them, given all he says, because he’s attacking other people. Only when the vulgarity of Savage’s attacks gets turned on his own audience (parents with autistic children) does the audience and the radio carriers start to question his behavior and force him to pay the consequences.
Whatever happened to the other 115 democrats that voted against the bill?
They’re all still in Congress, aren’t they?
No?
Whatever happened to the other 115 democrats that voted against the bill?
Whatever happened to members of congress who opposed Nelson Mandela and apartheid reform?
Oh yeah, one of them is currently Vice President and de facto President. Anyone wanna guess how JWG, Jay Tea, SaveFarris, duh, et al felt about South Africa policy in the 80’s? (or no doubt would have had they been old enough?)
By the way, one of the 20% of the Republicans who voted agains the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was George Herbert Walker Bush (why Michael Dukakis didn’t use this fact against Bush in the 1988 campaign I will never know.
Back to comics:
Re: Frowny McBeard: “I thought the $200 was entirely worth it.”
Oh, I absolutely concur — I have the first two volumes and am saving pennies for the last two — but I’m not a casual reader.
I’m not questioning worth, just accessibility. Only the diehards are going to buy those books, yet DC’s big event of the year relies heavily on their contents. Not a smart business strategy.