That’s what happens when you bring one of the Swift Boat smear campaign participants like Bud Day onboard.
One of John McCain’s fellow POW’s in Vietnam defended the war in Iraq, saying, ‘The Muslims have said either we kneel or they’re going to kill us.”
In a phone call with reporters arranged by Republican Party of Florida, Colonel Bud Day added: ‘I don’t intend to kneel and I don’t advocate to anybody that we kneel, and John doesn’t advocate to anybody that we kneel.”
“I don’t intend to kneel and I don’t advocate to anybody that we kneel, and John doesn’t advocate to anybody that we kneel.”
And that’s really, really important because there are all kinds of people running around who are advocating kneeling. And maybe genuflecting too.
What a maroon.
OW, were you around on 9/11?
Seems like a bunch of Muslims did kill us, right?
Ok, just checking.
Yes, that clearly means all Muslims want to kill us. Including the ones serving in our government and our military and in our hospitals and schools, etc. Moron.
Except Oliver, he didn’t say ALL Muslims and people with minimal brain activity are aware of that.
Want moronic? Read some of the comments from the left wingers at that link. It scares me that people so stupid actually vote.
“Except Oliver, he didn’t say ALL Muslims and people with minimal brain activity are aware of that.”
He said “The Muslims…” So yes, by standard rules of grammar, he meant Muslims as a collective.
He said ‘the Muslims,’ Jay. Not ‘al Quaida’ or ‘radical elements within Islam’ or even the dreaded ‘islamofacists.’ No, it was ‘the Muslims.’ That’s a fairly broad brush, don’cha think?
“He said ‘the Muslims,’ Jay. Not ‘al Quaida’ or ‘radical elements within Islam’ or even the dreaded ‘islamofacists.’ No, it was ‘the Muslims.’ That’s a fairly broad brush, don’cha think?”
It would have been correct if he had said, “The Muslims that attacked us…”
It would have been correct if he’d said absolutely nothing at all . . .
Two weeks ago, C.S. was telling us that not explicitly identifying the subject of a statement about Muslims most definitely DID NOT refer to the entire group as a whole. Funny how he changes his mind when the subject hails from a different political party.
“Two weeks ago, C.S. was telling us that not explicitly identifying the subject of a statement about Muslims most definitely DID NOT refer to the entire group as a whole. Funny how he changes his mind when the subject hails from a different political party.”
Good god, do I have to explain this, again?
I know English is your second language, but try and keep up here.
Saying, “The Muslims have said either we kneel or they’re going to kill us.” is referring to the group as a collective whole. Finding some Muslims that do fit the description doesn’t make the statement true.
Saying, “The people who were responsible for murdering 3,000 Americans on 9/11 have not been brought to justice.” refers to a group as a collective whole. Finding some that were brought to justice doesn’t make the statement false.
I am being consistent in my interpretation, because I am using the rules of grammar.
Any questions?
I’m going to disagree with a couple of people with whom I usually agree here – I wish somebody had asked him immediately what he meant by that (I know I sure as hell would have, but then I’m not a journalist, so common-sense questions actually occur to me from time to time) because it seems to me as if this comment could cut either way.
I see a few possible alternatives –
1) he misspoke and forgot the necessary qualifiers because people do that sometimes, and on top of that he’s an old fart who’s probably never met but three or four Muslims at the most and so when he’s speaking would maybe think they’re not a monolithic beast, but would forget to say it.
2) he misspoke and intentionally left out the necessary qualifiers, for any number of nefarious and sinister reasons (whip up the xenophobic wing of the GOP, etc.), even though a campaign aide would come out later and clafify.
3) he said what he really thought about Muslims, and about McCain being the holy warrior to lead the struggle against their EEEE-vil ways, such that a campaign aide had to later come out and let us know that the kindly grandfatherly figure would never make such a sweeping generalization about over a billion people, heh heh, didn’t mean it that way.
In any case, here’s a foxnews.com blurb (likely to be as fair as is humanly possible to McCain and his supporters), claiming that he intended to say ‘radical muslims’ but basically blew the line. Whether that’s true or not… Hard to tell, from where I’m standing. He very well could have said what he meant.
However, pointing out that Sen. McCain doesn’t believe in ‘kneeling’ very clearly implies in his opponent a submissive brand of the ‘appeasement’ nonsense that’s been floating around recently. Fairly dipshitty thing to insinuate.
“Except Oliver, he didn’t say ALL Muslims and people with minimal brain activity are aware of that.”
This is ridiculous. Just completely ridiculous. The exact opposite of what you’re saying is true, Jay. People with even minimal brain activity are aware of the fact that “The Muslims” or “The Catholics” or “The Anything” refers to the group as a whole. If I said, “The conservatives who have commented in this thread are idiots” would you be sitting at home thinking, “Well, he probably didn’t mean me”?
The guy may have misspoke, but let’s not attack the language and meaning as we know it.
So from now on, when one of the extremist Muslim asshats delivers a message saying “Death to the Americans!” I’ll just assume they only mean a specific set of Americans, not Americans in general.
So from now on, when one of the extremist Muslim asshats delivers a message saying “Death to the Americans!” I’ll just assume they only mean a specific set of Americans, not Americans in general.
Yes, ‘cuz I just know they don’t mean me.
Note to Bud Day: Stop talking now, kthxbai.
Wow, this Jay person is really, really stupid.
Except Oliver, he didn’t say ALL Muslims and people with minimal brain activity are aware of that.
But if Barack Obama says “The people responsible for the 9/11 attacks are still at large,” then he DID mean ALL of them, right Jay?
I guess it depends on the meaning of “the.”
“Wow, this Jay person is really, really stupid.”
Yes. So is Jay Tea, SaveFarris, Sean, and a few others.
They seem to lack basic understanding of the English language, yet they repeatedly try to communicate in that language.
John McCain doesn’t believe we should kneel. He just wants us to bend over.
If this guy is so inept at expressing himself, perhaps he is a poor choice for the McCain campaign to put on a conference to speak for his positions.
It’s not as if some reporter caught him yelling this stuff at a fire hydrant while in a less-than-lucid moment; this was a guy hand-picked by the McCain campaign, at a campaign event, to speak for McCain. And McCain hasn’t disavowed his remarks.
Why do the Republicans keep pushing this idea that everything that a war hero says is wise, eloquent, and the gospel truth? If Bud Day weighs in in favour of racial segregation tomorrow are we all supposed to stand by and nod at his glorious insight and wisdom because, after all, he is a war hero? War heroes say stupid and ill-considered things, and pointing that out doesn’t dishonour their military service one bit.
“It’s not as if some reporter caught him yelling this stuff at a fire hydrant while in a less-than-lucid moment …”
Funny thing. This a fairly apt description of the right wing blogosphere in general. What Day said is de rigueur on a lot of right wing blogs: “Muslims, all of them, want to kill us because Islam is a religion of conquest and war.” Now in this instance Day himself may have misspoke but the sentiment of his “misstatement” is a widely held belief on the right. What sounds like “yelling at a fire hydrant” to rational people is, in fact, entirely accepted on the right.
The reason why Republicans keep pushing the idea that everything a war hero says is wise, eloquent and beyond reproach is because the only defense they have against rationality.
CSS: They seem to lack basic understanding of the English language, yet they repeatedly try to communicate in that language.
I’d be insulted by that if it actually came from someone who hasn’t shown their own difficulty with the language and a complete inability to see the beam that is in their own hypocritical eye.
He sounds like an old turd who’s a little bit confused by the way the world has changed since he was a young man, so he’s now just pissed off. He probably has experienced the feeling of driving around and forgetting where he was going, which makes him more mad at the way the “streets have changed”. He thinks people who aren’t white should work hard and keep their mouths shut because that’s the way it was when he was a young man and still had some dreams. Those dreams are now gone and he’s pissed because those noisy kids keep running on his lawn and they took Barnaby Jones off the air.
In other words, sort of like John McCain.