Too bad for young Aisha that she was used as a human shield. The terrorists were especially caution that day apparently. They seemed to have also been hiding behind Aisha’s mother, father, three sisters, one brother, and an infant staying with them. Must’ve been pretty crowded around that window.

And that’s just the dead in ONE house.

Wow, imagine someone protesting for peace outside of a hospital where maimed soldiers reside. Oh the humanity. Yep, that’s the moral equivalent of disrupting a military funeral with anti-gay hate. NOT.

“daniel, I’ll tag a couple of them with that label. Let’s start with John Murtha, who pronounced the Haditha Marines guilty of murder and all sorts of war crimes long before they had their trial… and so far, each and every one of those trials has come back with a “not guilty” verdict.”

Is their anything that JT posts that doesn’t have to do with some past wingnut faux-outrage?

Cite? Looking for something like the above.

I’m shocked. Shocked to find white washing going on.

I’m sure it’ll be a great relief to Aisha Younis Salim, the three-year-old girl with a big hole in her chest. Since all those folks were found “not guilty,” she’ll get to go on with her life, right Mr. Tea?

I’ll even grant that one or two of them might be in Congress.

I have neither time nor interest to keep track of and render judgment on everything every conservative commentator says, so I can properly embrace or condemn each and every one. (If I did, then Media Matters would be out of business and their employees would have to find honest work for a change.)

If you wanna obsess on that line, then, about “domestic insurgents,” I’d apply it to people like Michael Moore (who said the terrorists in Iraq were “the moral equivalent” of our Founding Fathers), the anti-war protesters who tout signs that say things like “WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS — ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY FRAG THEIR OFFICERS,” who encourage members in the military to desert instead of doing their duty, and the like.

And I’m STILL waiting for someone to show the Phelps/Westboro assholes some kind of support that even comes close to that Code Pink commands.

I’ll even give you one bad example: Fox News once gave them about half an hour on the air to rant their heads off. That was part of a deal — they got the Fox time in exchange for NOT showing up to “protest” the funeral of a soldier killed in Iraq. Fox made it abundantly clear that they weren’t endorsing their message, but were essentially capitulating to emotional blackmail.

Parthenon, if you want one example of how loathsome Code Pink is, for a while they were holding their “peace rallies” outside Walter Reed Hospital. That was where they thought their “message” would do the most good, and hearing that message was far more important to the wounded troops inside than anything else — such as, say, their recovery from injuries suffered while serving their nation.

J.

Reagan’s use of the “domestic insurgents” smear label was in the broad context of those in Congress who opposed the war. He wasn’t narrowly speaking about a single anti-war-in-Iraq congressman and his remarks about the Haditha Marines (although, even if he was, unlike Jay, I still think the label is inappropriate).

My first impulse is that they aren’t as extreme as Westboro, but that isn’t based on much scientific. Last I read a majority of Americans still agreed with Code Pink’s core issue (that the war had been a bad idea), while I don’t think a majority of Americans agree with Westboro that 9/11 was punishment or God hates homosexuals.

You want an actual answer? Then say something specific.

Come on, I laid out the support Code Pink enjoys — the Berkley City Council gave them a parking space for free for their permit, and even passed a resolution praising them over the Marines. Can’t you find SOMEONE (of some prominence and/or authority) to back up your assertion?

I thought not.

J.

Interesting view of the armed forces you have there, soul. Especially considering that they are (justly) proud of their integrated status, their development of as pure a color-blind meritocracy as we have ever seen.

But I’m STILL waiting so see someone come up with some group that supports Phelps and the Westboro assholes…

J.

I’m waiting for one of those Marines to sue Murtha for defamation and slander over it…

But back to the subject at hand: could someone pull Oliver out of the hole he dug himself into and find SOME group with some standing that back up the Phelps/Westboro assholes?

J.

You (Jay Tea) write this in a sarcastic context, of course, but this kind of thinking is not non-existent on the right; for example, Michael Reagan (hardly a fringe figure), has actually labeled those in Congress who oppose the Iraq War as “domestic insurgents.”

I say that Code Pink gets plenty of support from leftists, and cite examples.

Oliver says that their counterpart on the right, the Phelps assholes from Westboro, enjoy much the same from the right.

I challenge him to show some groups that support the Phelps assholes.

He names two prominent conservatives and a conservative group, merely offering their web sites as “proof.”

I go looking at those sites he links to and see nothing about Phelps or Westboro and find nothing.

I go Googling to find links between them and the Phelps assholes and find nothing.

Oliver pronounces that the mere fact that those folks and the Phelps groups share a similar general ideological bent is more than sufficient.

Gee, where have I heard such broad-brushing before?

I guess since Oliver opposes the war, he is just like Saddam Hussein, because he didn’t want the US to invade, either.

Since he doesn’t like Dick Cheney, he’s no better than the psychos at Democratic Underground and The Huffington Post who want him to die.

Since he isn’t worried about Iran developing and using nuclear weapons, then he wants Israel to get nuked.

Gee, this is fun! And it requires almost NO thinking!

Oliver, I specifically said “the Phelps assholes don’t have any support anywhere.” “Support,” meaning, traditionally, words or deeds that express an agreement with their message, their goals, their actions. Like, say, Code Pink being granted free use of a parking space in front of the Marine recruiting station or given passes to Congressional hearings.

You got anything like THAT, or are you just gonna find new conservatives to smear? Or new ways to smear the conservatives you’ve already smeared?

My position on both Code Pink and the Phelps assholes is well documented. I think I have slightly more contempt and loathing for the Phelps assholes, but it’s the difference between fresh dogshit and ten-minute-old dogshit, as far as I’m concerned.

J.

And if you don’t think that the religious right and the Phelps crowd are preaching the same message and wish for the same goals, you’ve been dancing around with your head up your rear.

I linked to the Daily Show story about Code Pink because its funny and it illustrates why people like me don’t like them. Sorry if I don’t do the conservative faux outrage du jour like Malkin and Co.