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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/02/when-black-republicans-strike/#comment-104018</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, OK. I&#039;ll make it easier, AO. Just explain the meaning of the terms &quot;public use&quot; and &quot;just compensation.&quot; That ought to be easy for a Constitutional expert like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, OK. I&#8217;ll make it easier, AO. Just explain the meaning of the terms &#8220;public use&#8221; and &#8220;just compensation.&#8221; That ought to be easy for a Constitutional expert like you.</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/02/when-black-republicans-strike/#comment-103978</link>
		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 05:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is too easy, all you have to do is throw their own twisted logic back at them, and the ultra cons run with their tail between their legs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is too easy, all you have to do is throw their own twisted logic back at them, and the ultra cons run with their tail between their legs.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/02/when-black-republicans-strike/#comment-103971</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 04:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? Don&#039;t want to play any more? I was so looking forward to learning from your keen understanding of the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? Don&#8217;t want to play any more? I was so looking forward to learning from your keen understanding of the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/02/when-black-republicans-strike/#comment-103887</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, it&#039;s my turn, Mr. You-Have-No-Appreciation-Or-Understanding.

The Fifth Amendment says: &quot;nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.&quot;

The Supreme Court&#039;s controversial 2005 Kelo decision brought renewed focus on this clause. Please explain the issues in the case and the majority opinion, highlighting any new or novel interpretations in this decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, it&#8217;s my turn, Mr. You-Have-No-Appreciation-Or-Understanding.</p>
<p>The Fifth Amendment says: &#8220;nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Supreme Court&#8217;s controversial 2005 Kelo decision brought renewed focus on this clause. Please explain the issues in the case and the majority opinion, highlighting any new or novel interpretations in this decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/02/when-black-republicans-strike/#comment-103884</link>
		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poor AO, why do you hate America so much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poor AO, why do you hate America so much?</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/02/when-black-republicans-strike/#comment-103881</link>
		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh, AO, you seemed to have ignored my explanation. How convenient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh, AO, you seemed to have ignored my explanation. How convenient.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/02/when-black-republicans-strike/#comment-103873</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:02:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Article 5, does not carve out a special exception to the 14th amendment. &lt;/em&gt;

Section 5 of the 14th Amendment? It authorizes Congress to make any laws necessary to enforce the rest of the Amendment. It tilts the scale--deliberately--in favor of Congress over the legislatures of individual states. It creates for Congress a great deal of latitude to write law that enforces the intent of the Amendment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Article 5, does not carve out a special exception to the 14th amendment. </em></p>
<p>Section 5 of the 14th Amendment? It authorizes Congress to make any laws necessary to enforce the rest of the Amendment. It tilts the scale&#8211;deliberately&#8211;in favor of Congress over the legislatures of individual states. It creates for Congress a great deal of latitude to write law that enforces the intent of the Amendment.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/02/when-black-republicans-strike/#comment-103870</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;That a liberal court can create such an exemption where none exists speaks more to thier desires than thier fealty to the Constitution.&lt;/em&gt;

I see. Our esteemed Constitutional scholar, Mr. Observer, holds a more highly refined &quot;understanding and appreciation&quot; of the Constitution than Justice Powell; than Justice Brennan; than Justice Blackmun; than Justice Stewart; than Justice O&#039;Connor; than Justice Stevens; than Justice Souter; than Justice Breyer; than Justice Ginzburg.

How has the Republic endured these many years without your wisdom?

Dude, get real. It takes quite a load of self-important delusion to convince yourself that you, and only you, carry the light of genuine understand (and appreciation!) of the Constitution, that your personal version outshines the opinions of not just one, but a couple of generations of Supreme Court justices.

Do you clank when you walk?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>That a liberal court can create such an exemption where none exists speaks more to thier desires than thier fealty to the Constitution.</em></p>
<p>I see. Our esteemed Constitutional scholar, Mr. Observer, holds a more highly refined &#8220;understanding and appreciation&#8221; of the Constitution than Justice Powell; than Justice Brennan; than Justice Blackmun; than Justice Stewart; than Justice O&#8217;Connor; than Justice Stevens; than Justice Souter; than Justice Breyer; than Justice Ginzburg.</p>
<p>How has the Republic endured these many years without your wisdom?</p>
<p>Dude, get real. It takes quite a load of self-important delusion to convince yourself that you, and only you, carry the light of genuine understand (and appreciation!) of the Constitution, that your personal version outshines the opinions of not just one, but a couple of generations of Supreme Court justices.</p>
<p>Do you clank when you walk?</p>
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		<title>By: Amused Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amused Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 15:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quaker,
You certainly are good at rationalizing.  Slavery was once legal and as you well know it took a Constitutional amendment to change that, the 13th.  The next amendment made all citizens equal under the law and enumerated the right of all citizens to equal protection of the law.

Article 5, does not carve out a special exception to the 14th amendment.  That a liberal court can create such an exemption where none exists speaks more to thier desires than thier fealty to the Constitution.

I&#039;m glad to see you have finally admitted that you support discrimination.  Rejecting denial is an important first step towards achieving a colorblind society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quaker,<br />
You certainly are good at rationalizing.  Slavery was once legal and as you well know it took a Constitutional amendment to change that, the 13th.  The next amendment made all citizens equal under the law and enumerated the right of all citizens to equal protection of the law.</p>
<p>Article 5, does not carve out a special exception to the 14th amendment.  That a liberal court can create such an exemption where none exists speaks more to thier desires than thier fealty to the Constitution.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see you have finally admitted that you support discrimination.  Rejecting denial is an important first step towards achieving a colorblind society.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/02/when-black-republicans-strike/#comment-103810</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 02:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Quaker,
You support legal discrimination.&lt;/em&gt;

You&#039;re finally starting to get it. &lt;strong&gt;Legal&lt;/strong&gt; discrimination. &lt;strong&gt;Constitutional&lt;/strong&gt; discrimination. As I have pointed out to you time and again, the people we rely on to interpret the Constitution say it is sometimes both &lt;em&gt;legal&lt;/em&gt; and &lt;em&gt;Constitutional&lt;/em&gt; to take race into account.

Now go away or I shall taunt you another time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Quaker,<br />
You support legal discrimination.</em></p>
<p>You&#8217;re finally starting to get it. <strong>Legal</strong> discrimination. <strong>Constitutional</strong> discrimination. As I have pointed out to you time and again, the people we rely on to interpret the Constitution say it is sometimes both <em>legal</em> and <em>Constitutional</em> to take race into account.</p>
<p>Now go away or I shall taunt you another time.</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/02/when-black-republicans-strike/#comment-103773</link>
		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If it is easily disproved you should have some really awesome cites.&lt;/i&gt;

Ask and ye shall receive sir!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(test_data)#Caste-like_minorities&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The &#039;lower-intelligence&#039; caste&lt;/a&gt; of different regions in the world, From &#039;Inequality by Design,&#039; Princeton University Press.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mismeasure_of_Man&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;The Mismeasure of Man,&#039;&lt;/a&gt; Stephen Jay Gould.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Emperors-New-Clothes-Biological-Millenium/dp/0813533023/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1215357007&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;The Emperor&#039;s New Clothes - Biological Theories of Race at the Millenium,&#039;&lt;/a&gt; Joseph Graves.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.augsburg.edu/education/edc210/race-myth.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&#039;Race is an unscientific concept,&#039;&lt;/a&gt; NY Times via Augsburg College -

&quot;We truly are all kin beneath the skin, many scientists are concluding.

The more closely researchers examine the human genome -- the complement of genetic material encased in the heart of almost every cell of the body -- the more most of them are convinced that the standard labels used to distinguish people by &quot;race&quot; have little or no biological meaning.&quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://astro.temple.edu/~ruby/opp/racesnyt.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Times again,&lt;/a&gt; via Temple University, similar subject  - 

&quot;As it turns out, scientists say, the human species is so evolutionarily young, and its migratory patterns so wide, restless and rococo, that it has simply not had a chance to divide itself into separate biological groups or &quot;races&quot; in any but the most superficial ways.

&quot;Race is a social concept, not a scientific one,&quot; said Dr. J. Craig Venter, head of the Celera Genomics Corporation in Rockville, Md. &quot;We all evolved in the last 100,000 years from the same small number of tribes that migrated out of Africa and colonized the world.&quot;

Let me know if you&#039;d like some more. I understand that there are plenty of links that suggest otherwise, but from what I&#039;ve read and seen regarding racial intelligence theories, it appears they are based on pseudoscience and bad methodology. 

&lt;i&gt;Am I correct that you are stating that there are no variations what so ever in intelligence between different human genetic subtypes? That the bellcurve for IQ is a constant and identical shape across ethnic, cultural, and racial lines?&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m stating that &#039;different human genetic subtypes,&#039; as stated above, are purely cosmetic. I&#039;m stating that it&#039;s possible that there are IQ differences between cultures, but that is because &#039;IQ&#039; is an incomplete and flawed measurement of one&#039;s intelligence. Can you pick out an edible mushroom from the poisonous ones in the Papua New Guinean rainforest? Because without the help of a Papua New Guinean, I&#039;d be fucked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If it is easily disproved you should have some really awesome cites.</i></p>
<p>Ask and ye shall receive sir!</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence_(test_data)#Caste-like_minorities" rel="nofollow">The &#8216;lower-intelligence&#8217; caste</a> of different regions in the world, From &#8216;Inequality by Design,&#8217; Princeton University Press.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mismeasure_of_Man" rel="nofollow">&#8216;The Mismeasure of Man,&#8217;</a> Stephen Jay Gould.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Emperors-New-Clothes-Biological-Millenium/dp/0813533023/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1215357007&amp;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">&#8216;The Emperor&#8217;s New Clothes &#8211; Biological Theories of Race at the Millenium,&#8217;</a> Joseph Graves.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.augsburg.edu/education/edc210/race-myth.html" rel="nofollow">&#8216;Race is an unscientific concept,&#8217;</a> NY Times via Augsburg College -</p>
<p>&#8220;We truly are all kin beneath the skin, many scientists are concluding.</p>
<p>The more closely researchers examine the human genome &#8212; the complement of genetic material encased in the heart of almost every cell of the body &#8212; the more most of them are convinced that the standard labels used to distinguish people by &#8220;race&#8221; have little or no biological meaning.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://astro.temple.edu/~ruby/opp/racesnyt.html" rel="nofollow">The Times again,</a> via Temple University, similar subject  &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;As it turns out, scientists say, the human species is so evolutionarily young, and its migratory patterns so wide, restless and rococo, that it has simply not had a chance to divide itself into separate biological groups or &#8220;races&#8221; in any but the most superficial ways.</p>
<p>&#8220;Race is a social concept, not a scientific one,&#8221; said Dr. J. Craig Venter, head of the Celera Genomics Corporation in Rockville, Md. &#8220;We all evolved in the last 100,000 years from the same small number of tribes that migrated out of Africa and colonized the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let me know if you&#8217;d like some more. I understand that there are plenty of links that suggest otherwise, but from what I&#8217;ve read and seen regarding racial intelligence theories, it appears they are based on pseudoscience and bad methodology. </p>
<p><i>Am I correct that you are stating that there are no variations what so ever in intelligence between different human genetic subtypes? That the bellcurve for IQ is a constant and identical shape across ethnic, cultural, and racial lines?</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m stating that &#8216;different human genetic subtypes,&#8217; as stated above, are purely cosmetic. I&#8217;m stating that it&#8217;s possible that there are IQ differences between cultures, but that is because &#8216;IQ&#8217; is an incomplete and flawed measurement of one&#8217;s intelligence. Can you pick out an edible mushroom from the poisonous ones in the Papua New Guinean rainforest? Because without the help of a Papua New Guinean, I&#8217;d be fucked.</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/02/when-black-republicans-strike/#comment-103761</link>
		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 08:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I don’t quite get your question regarding citizens who have not yet reached the age of majority. You presumably have a point, what is it?&lt;/i&gt;

By your loose definition of &quot;legal discrimination&quot;, you must also support the things that I listed. Or dod you support &quot;legal discrimination&quot; of minors?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I don’t quite get your question regarding citizens who have not yet reached the age of majority. You presumably have a point, what is it?</i></p>
<p>By your loose definition of &#8220;legal discrimination&#8221;, you must also support the things that I listed. Or dod you support &#8220;legal discrimination&#8221; of minors?</p>
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		<title>By: Amused Observer</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/02/when-black-republicans-strike/#comment-103755</link>
		<dc:creator>Amused Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 06:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quaker,
You support legal discrimination.

Parthenon,
&quot;If we are to discount the long-discredited and easily disprovable notion that there is a difference in intelligence or iniative&quot;  

If it is easily disproved you should have some really awesome cites.  Am I correct that you are stating that there are no variations what so ever in intelligence between different human genetic subtypes?  That the bellcurve for IQ is a constant and identical shape across ethnic, cultural, and racial lines?

Zython,
I don&#039;t quite get your question regarding citizens who have not yet reached the age of majority.  You presumably have a point, what is it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quaker,<br />
You support legal discrimination.</p>
<p>Parthenon,<br />
&#8220;If we are to discount the long-discredited and easily disprovable notion that there is a difference in intelligence or iniative&#8221;  </p>
<p>If it is easily disproved you should have some really awesome cites.  Am I correct that you are stating that there are no variations what so ever in intelligence between different human genetic subtypes?  That the bellcurve for IQ is a constant and identical shape across ethnic, cultural, and racial lines?</p>
<p>Zython,<br />
I don&#8217;t quite get your question regarding citizens who have not yet reached the age of majority.  You presumably have a point, what is it?</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/02/when-black-republicans-strike/#comment-103752</link>
		<dc:creator>Zython</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 05:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Your distinction between events in the past and effects today as sufficient reason to allow the unequal application of the law between fellow citizens is noted but not accepted. Yet your distinction is the paradox of your position. One cannot be for something while simultaneously being against it. You most stringently favor unequal application of the law. Equality under the law is an objective standard. You favor subjective standards that favor one over another.&lt;/i&gt;

So...I take it you support the rights of minors to drive, drink, smoke, and vote?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Your distinction between events in the past and effects today as sufficient reason to allow the unequal application of the law between fellow citizens is noted but not accepted. Yet your distinction is the paradox of your position. One cannot be for something while simultaneously being against it. You most stringently favor unequal application of the law. Equality under the law is an objective standard. You favor subjective standards that favor one over another.</i></p>
<p>So&#8230;I take it you support the rights of minors to drive, drink, smoke, and vote?</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Interesting that you cite Bollinger. The case Opinion says that in less than 20 years, “racial preferences will no longer be necessary.” Given that we’re already at the point that an African-American is going to end up being a nominee for President (and, as of now, is ahead in the polls) tells me we’re probably already there.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ll admit I&#039;m not familiar with the court opinion in question, but I don&#039;t believe one African-American excelling enough to reach the Senate and then the Democratic Presidential Nomination is enough proof that the work of civil rights (or, put another way, democratizing the blessings of society) is over. 

To my knowledge Sen. Obama is, sadly, a statistical outlier in the African-American demographic. I haven&#039;t seen the stats since around 2006 but at that time African-Americans were still making something on the level seventy cents on the dollar that whites were making for the same work, and the difference in household net worth for both them and Hispanics relative to whites was enormous. If I recall the lot of all non-Asian minorities (because Asians are basically already on par with whites) showed a steady improvement, with still a hell of a long way to go. Again, I don&#039;t have a link to support this unfortunately, but most of this is common enough knowledge, I think. 

If we are to discount the long-discredited and easily disprovable notion that there is a difference in intelligence or iniative, then, as Sean and Quaker have pointed out earlier on this thread, clearly there has been some past hobbling via discrimination that still has powerful ramifications in the present. Racial preferences are only one possible tool to deal with the problem - I&#039;m kinda partial to Alterman&#039;s idea of class-based affirmative action myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Interesting that you cite Bollinger. The case Opinion says that in less than 20 years, “racial preferences will no longer be necessary.” Given that we’re already at the point that an African-American is going to end up being a nominee for President (and, as of now, is ahead in the polls) tells me we’re probably already there.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit I&#8217;m not familiar with the court opinion in question, but I don&#8217;t believe one African-American excelling enough to reach the Senate and then the Democratic Presidential Nomination is enough proof that the work of civil rights (or, put another way, democratizing the blessings of society) is over. </p>
<p>To my knowledge Sen. Obama is, sadly, a statistical outlier in the African-American demographic. I haven&#8217;t seen the stats since around 2006 but at that time African-Americans were still making something on the level seventy cents on the dollar that whites were making for the same work, and the difference in household net worth for both them and Hispanics relative to whites was enormous. If I recall the lot of all non-Asian minorities (because Asians are basically already on par with whites) showed a steady improvement, with still a hell of a long way to go. Again, I don&#8217;t have a link to support this unfortunately, but most of this is common enough knowledge, I think. </p>
<p>If we are to discount the long-discredited and easily disprovable notion that there is a difference in intelligence or iniative, then, as Sean and Quaker have pointed out earlier on this thread, clearly there has been some past hobbling via discrimination that still has powerful ramifications in the present. Racial preferences are only one possible tool to deal with the problem &#8211; I&#8217;m kinda partial to Alterman&#8217;s idea of class-based affirmative action myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, &quot;compelling state interest&quot; also comes into play when interpreting the First, Second, Fourth, and Fifth amendments.

You can look it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, &#8220;compelling state interest&#8221; also comes into play when interpreting the First, Second, Fourth, and Fifth amendments.</p>
<p>You can look it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/02/when-black-republicans-strike/#comment-103741</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 04:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You needn&#039;t debate anyone when your opinion is even greater than that of the experts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You needn&#8217;t debate anyone when your opinion is even greater than that of the experts.</p>
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		<title>By: Amused Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amused Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quaker,
Your rebuttal is awesome, the points you bring up are incredibly insightful, your logic is impeccable, and your debating skills are simply devastating.  I can see the foolishness of discussing Constitutional minutia with such a master of its subtleties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quaker,<br />
Your rebuttal is awesome, the points you bring up are incredibly insightful, your logic is impeccable, and your debating skills are simply devastating.  I can see the foolishness of discussing Constitutional minutia with such a master of its subtleties.</p>
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		<title>By: Zython</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; I didn’t realize I was excluded — along with, apparently, anyone who thinks like me or looks like me.&lt;/i&gt;

Looks like you? No. Thinks (or lack thereof) like you? Yes.

&lt;i&gt;Interesting that you cite Bollinger. The case Opinion says that in less than 20 years, “racial preferences will no longer be necessary.” Given that we’re already at the point that an African-American is going to end up being a nominee for President (and, as of now, is ahead in the polls) tells me we’re probably already there.&lt;/i&gt;

This is what is called &quot;the exception that proves the rule&quot;. The apartheid didn&#039;t disappear overnight when Nelson Mandela was elected president of South Africa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I didn’t realize I was excluded — along with, apparently, anyone who thinks like me or looks like me.</i></p>
<p>Looks like you? No. Thinks (or lack thereof) like you? Yes.</p>
<p><i>Interesting that you cite Bollinger. The case Opinion says that in less than 20 years, “racial preferences will no longer be necessary.” Given that we’re already at the point that an African-American is going to end up being a nominee for President (and, as of now, is ahead in the polls) tells me we’re probably already there.</i></p>
<p>This is what is called &#8220;the exception that proves the rule&#8221;. The apartheid didn&#8217;t disappear overnight when Nelson Mandela was elected president of South Africa.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Interesting that you cite Bollinger. The case Opinion says that in less than 20 years, “racial preferences will no longer be necessary.” &lt;/em&gt;

You trimmed that quote a bit too close, Farris. Ms. O&#039;Connor stated that as a hope, not an inevitability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Interesting that you cite Bollinger. The case Opinion says that in less than 20 years, “racial preferences will no longer be necessary.” </em></p>
<p>You trimmed that quote a bit too close, Farris. Ms. O&#8217;Connor stated that as a hope, not an inevitability.</p>
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