Comments on: Veering Toward “The Center”? http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sun, 22 Nov 2009 23:00:55 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103485 Duros62 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:47:06 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103485 </a> whoops. whoops.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103484 Duros62 Fri, 04 Jul 2008 04:46:36 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103484 A note from <a href="http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/rospars/gGxsZF/commentary#comment-gl9Mx" rel="nofollow">Obama </a. <blockquote>Democracy cannot exist without strong differences. And going forward, some of you may decide that my FISA position is a deal breaker. That's ok. But I think it is worth pointing out that our agreement on the vast majority of issues that matter outweighs the differences we may have. After all, the choice in this election could not be clearer. Whether it is the economy, foreign policy, or the Supreme Court, my opponent has embraced the failed course of the last eight years, while I want to take this country in a new direction. Make no mistake: if John McCain is elected, the fundamental direction of this country that we love will not change. But if we come together, we have an historic opportunity to chart a new course, a better course. </blockquote> A note from Obama
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Democracy cannot exist without strong differences. And going forward, some of you may decide that my FISA position is a deal breaker. That’s ok. But I think it is worth pointing out that our agreement on the vast majority of issues that matter outweighs the differences we may have. After all, the choice in this election could not be clearer. Whether it is the economy, foreign policy, or the Supreme Court, my opponent has embraced the failed course of the last eight years, while I want to take this country in a new direction. Make no mistake: if John McCain is elected, the fundamental direction of this country that we love will not change. But if we come together, we have an historic opportunity to chart a new course, a better course.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103214 Duros62 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:52:26 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103214 As you should. As you should.

]]> By: PTCruiser http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103196 PTCruiser Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:36:54 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103196 "I don’t know. At this point, I think your support is enough." Yes, you are right and I appreciate the response. I don't have to believe that the sun rises and sets in his behind to vote for him. What he can't do is to blow smoke up my behind and try to get me to believe the world is on fire. That's the Republican way and I refuse to be a part of their hypocrisy. I will vote for Obama but when he does something that I do not agree with I will voice my displeasure. “I don’t know. At this point, I think your support is enough.”

Yes, you are right and I appreciate the response. I don’t have to believe that the sun rises and sets in his behind to vote for him. What he can’t do is to blow smoke up my behind and try to get me to believe the world is on fire. That’s the Republican way and I refuse to be a part of their hypocrisy. I will vote for Obama but when he does something that I do not agree with I will voice my displeasure.

]]> By: PTCruiser http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103194 PTCruiser Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:25:57 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103194 BTW, check out Glenn Greenwald's response today to statements about FISA made by an Obama advisor. Strains of Ray Charles' great song "I've Got News For You" are starting to play in my ears. BTW, check out Glenn Greenwald’s response today to statements about FISA made by an Obama advisor. Strains of Ray Charles’ great song “I’ve Got News For You” are starting to play in my ears.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103192 Duros62 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:25:11 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103192 I don't know. At this point, I think your support is enough. I don’t know. At this point, I think your support is enough.

]]> By: PTCruiser http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103190 PTCruiser Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:20:51 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103190 Well, now that you're satisfied that he and I are not going to the movies together why don't you answer the question. Obama has my vote. What more do you believe he wants from me? Well, now that you’re satisfied that he and I are not going to the movies together why don’t you answer the question. Obama has my vote. What more do you believe he wants from me?

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103189 Duros62 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:15:14 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103189 <i>My relationship with Obama is primarily transactional at this point.</i> Well, yeah, i didn't think you were dating or anything. My relationship with Obama is primarily transactional at this point.

Well, yeah, i didn’t think you were dating or anything.

]]> By: PTCruiser http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103184 PTCruiser Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:40:43 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103184 My relationship with Obama is primarily transactional at this point. He wants my vote and he has my vote. The real question is: what more does he want from me? My relationship with Obama is primarily transactional at this point. He wants my vote and he has my vote. The real question is: what more does he want from me?

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103181 Duros62 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:20:46 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103181 I've never donated to a political cause in my life. So far I've donated to Obama's campaign 4 times. Fact is, he hasn't really done anything yet to justify all this ire from you guys. He supports measures to catch bad guys within the law. Nothing in the bill gives carte blanche to spying on US citizens. A warrant is still required from the FISA court. he will oppose immunity for telecomms who broke the rules. What do you want? I’ve never donated to a political cause in my life. So far I’ve donated to Obama’s campaign 4 times. Fact is, he hasn’t really done anything yet to justify all this ire from you guys. He supports measures to catch bad guys within the law. Nothing in the bill gives carte blanche to spying on US citizens. A warrant is still required from the FISA court. he will oppose immunity for telecomms who broke the rules.
What do you want?

]]> By: PTCruiser http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103178 PTCruiser Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:10:18 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103178 I have always given money to political causes and candidates and I don't regret my contributions over the past year to Obama's campaign. I have a rule, however, when it comes to my money: I don't believe in fattening frogs for snakes. If Obama wants to compromise on FISA and continue talking about the 1960s in a way that clearly shows, at least to me, that he does not understand what he is talking about that is okay. I just won't pay for it anymore. I have always given money to political causes and candidates and I don’t regret my contributions over the past year to Obama’s campaign. I have a rule, however, when it comes to my money: I don’t believe in fattening frogs for snakes. If Obama wants to compromise on FISA and continue talking about the 1960s in a way that clearly shows, at least to me, that he does not understand what he is talking about that is okay. I just won’t pay for it anymore.

]]> By: funknjunk http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103175 funknjunk Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:17:36 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103175 Well, if i can wade in here..... I just stopped giving him money, that's all. I will vote for him because he is, probably "at worst", the lesser of two evils, and may be quite a leader at best.... but my giving money to the political cause was a change for me lately, and now since the thrill is gone, and he is showing me that he doesn't care about my personal opinions v. those of the corporations, he gets no further money from me. It's really tath simple. If he wanted to "change politics" he could, you know, actually, um, CHANGE THE WAY HE DOES BUSINESS... but he is really not doing that. It's just a fact, for all the bluster. He gets no more money from me, as he is enabling the shredding of the constitution, which I have an opinion about. Well, if i can wade in here….. I just stopped giving him money, that’s all. I will vote for him because he is, probably “at worst”, the lesser of two evils, and may be quite a leader at best…. but my giving money to the political cause was a change for me lately, and now since the thrill is gone, and he is showing me that he doesn’t care about my personal opinions v. those of the corporations, he gets no further money from me. It’s really tath simple. If he wanted to “change politics” he could, you know, actually, um, CHANGE THE WAY HE DOES BUSINESS… but he is really not doing that. It’s just a fact, for all the bluster. He gets no more money from me, as he is enabling the shredding of the constitution, which I have an opinion about.

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103162 Quaker in a Basement Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:15:32 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103162 Then by all means, ask Mr. Brown about it. While you're at it, be sure to accuse him of racism. Let us know how it goes. Then by all means, ask Mr. Brown about it. While you’re at it, be sure to accuse him of racism.

Let us know how it goes.

]]> By: JWG http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103153 JWG Wed, 02 Jul 2008 18:48:11 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103153 Randy Brown has used the term more than once to characterize black republicans. Randy Brown has used the term more than once to characterize black republicans.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103111 Duros62 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:21:51 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103111 <i>Does the same lecture apply to liberals who comment on this site and refer to black republicans using the n-word?</i> Was I out that day? When did that ever happen? Does the same lecture apply to liberals who comment on this site and refer to black republicans using the n-word?

Was I out that day? When did that ever happen?

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103106 Quaker in a Basement Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:00:44 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103106 JWG, Gravy, if you want to understand whether Mr. Shropshire's characterization is racist, I suggest you ask him for an explanation. Just be aware you may not be as ready for the answer as you think. JWG, Gravy, if you want to understand whether Mr. Shropshire’s characterization is racist, I suggest you ask him for an explanation.

Just be aware you may not be as ready for the answer as you think.

]]> By: Parthenon http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103101 Parthenon Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:33:29 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103101 JWG - assuming you're talking about the comment I posted above, if I may be so pompous as to quote myself... <i>from</i> anyone, <i>to</i> anyone, <i>about</i> anyone. JWG – assuming you’re talking about the comment I posted above, if I may be so pompous as to quote myself…

from anyone, to anyone, about anyone.

]]> By: JWG http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103098 JWG Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:25:19 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103098 Does the same lecture apply to liberals who comment on this site and refer to black republicans using the n-word? Does the same lecture apply to liberals who comment on this site and refer to black republicans using the n-word?

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103093 Duros62 Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:11:05 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103093 <i>But it won’t stop me from thinking you sound like an ignorant dipshit.</i> Especially on the Intertrons where there is no color unless you choose to divulge it. But it won’t stop me from thinking you sound like an ignorant dipshit.

Especially on the Intertrons where there is no color unless you choose to divulge it.

]]> By: Parthenon http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103075 Parthenon Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:01:57 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/07/01/veering-toward-the-center/#comment-103075 To explain my earlier comment regarding Mr. Shropshire's reference to Sen. Obama - I try not to condone nasty racial language (aside from humor, occasionally, if not terribly mean-spirited) <i>from</i> anyone, <i>to</i> anyone, <i>about</i> anyone. It may or may not be racist, but you do sound like an ignorant dipshit. If society has decided that ethnicities have a right to refer to themselves in such a way, fine. Not my business. But it won't stop me from thinking you sound like an ignorant dipshit. To explain my earlier comment regarding Mr. Shropshire’s reference to Sen. Obama – I try not to condone nasty racial language (aside from humor, occasionally, if not terribly mean-spirited) from anyone, to anyone, about anyone. It may or may not be racist, but you do sound like an ignorant dipshit. If society has decided that ethnicities have a right to refer to themselves in such a way, fine. Not my business. But it won’t stop me from thinking you sound like an ignorant dipshit.

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