Comments on: 15% Lead? http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/20/15-lead/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sat, 11 Feb 2012 00:05:35 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101625 Oliver Willis Sun, 22 Jun 2008 03:29:50 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101625 I didn't say we shouldn't pay attention to it, but it is an obscure thing. If people had found a way to make it translatable to real life we'd be talking and pols would feel some urgency to oppose it. I didn’t say we shouldn’t pay attention to it, but it is an obscure thing. If people had found a way to make it translatable to real life we’d be talking and pols would feel some urgency to oppose it.

]]> By: Sean D. Martin http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101602 Sean D. Martin Sat, 21 Jun 2008 20:16:18 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101602 OW: <i>do you really expect a presidential candidate to filibuster something as obscure as FISA? Come on.</i> I expect my representatives (which on items of national law include everyone in Congress and the Senate) to not allow the Republicans to get away with keeping important things obscure. They WANT this to fly below the radar. That, if nothing else, is a reason to draw attention to it. Saying it's obscure so we shouldn't pay any attention to it goes along with exactly what they want. OW: do you really expect a presidential candidate to filibuster something as obscure as FISA? Come on.

I expect my representatives (which on items of national law include everyone in Congress and the Senate) to not allow the Republicans to get away with keeping important things obscure. They WANT this to fly below the radar. That, if nothing else, is a reason to draw attention to it.

Saying it’s obscure so we shouldn’t pay any attention to it goes along with exactly what they want.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101596 Oliver Willis Sat, 21 Jun 2008 19:27:48 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101596 Yeah, the general population is in line with that party ID. Cons are more likely to ID as Independent than with Republican. As far as FISA, do you really expect a presidential candidate to filibuster something as obscure as FISA? Come on. Yeah, the general population is in line with that party ID. Cons are more likely to ID as Independent than with Republican.

As far as FISA, do you really expect a presidential candidate to filibuster something as obscure as FISA? Come on.

]]> By: Sean D. Martin http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101584 Sean D. Martin Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:08:10 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101584 Marty: <i>All you have to do is look at the numbers behind the poll to see how you get to the result. 38% Registered Democrats, 22% registered Republicans, the rest “independents”, a majority Democrat leaning. Now wouldn’t that skew the entire poll?</i> Is the 38/22/the rest distribution different then the general population? If so, then you have a point. Otherwise, if the general population is something along those proportions, there is no skewing involved at all. Marty: All you have to do is look at the numbers behind the poll to see how you get to the result. 38% Registered Democrats, 22% registered Republicans, the rest “independents”, a majority Democrat leaning. Now wouldn’t that skew the entire poll?

Is the 38/22/the rest distribution different then the general population? If so, then you have a point. Otherwise, if the general population is something along those proportions, there is no skewing involved at all.

]]> By: Sean D. Martin http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101583 Sean D. Martin Sat, 21 Jun 2008 18:04:02 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101583 Apikoros: <i>On the bill… w/o retroactive immunity, I don’t care. We can repeal it in the next congress</i> Why not just no let it become law in the first place? I really don't understand the "It's okay to create a problem because we can always clean it up later." attitude. Mostly becuase that just doesn't happen. Far, far harder to remove an existing law than to not have it created in the first place. Apikoros: On the bill… w/o retroactive immunity, I don’t care. We can repeal it in the next congress

Why not just no let it become law in the first place? I really don’t understand the “It’s okay to create a problem because we can always clean it up later.” attitude.

Mostly becuase that just doesn’t happen. Far, far harder to remove an existing law than to not have it created in the first place.

]]> By: Marty http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101561 Marty Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:41:48 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101561 All you have to do is look at the numbers behind the poll to see how you get to the result. 38% Registered Democrats, 22% registered Republicans, the rest "independents", a majority Democrat leaning. Now wouldn't that skew the entire poll? Didn't John Kerry have big leads in similar polls? I'm not sure why FISA got brought up in this one, but hey- now that Obama doesn't have to run against Hillary for Democrat votes, he'll continue to creep toward the center. It's already happening with FISA, Free Trade, troop withdraw in Iraq, etc. All you have to do is look at the numbers behind the poll to see how you get to the result. 38% Registered Democrats, 22% registered Republicans, the rest “independents”, a majority Democrat leaning. Now wouldn’t that skew the entire poll?

Didn’t John Kerry have big leads in similar polls?

I’m not sure why FISA got brought up in this one, but hey- now that Obama doesn’t have to run against Hillary for Democrat votes, he’ll continue to creep toward the center. It’s already happening with FISA, Free Trade, troop withdraw in Iraq, etc.

]]> By: anotherbozo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101553 anotherbozo Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:42:21 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101553 Apikoros: No, I said it first, not to be petty. I compared McCain to Goldwater and Dole over a week ago and predicted comparable electoral results. Continue working on the wheel, that new invention of yours... Apikoros:

No, I said it first, not to be petty. I compared McCain to Goldwater and Dole over a week ago and predicted comparable electoral results.

Continue working on the wheel, that new invention of yours…

]]> By: Philip Shropshire http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101539 Philip Shropshire Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:58:11 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101539 Well, I think the thing that worries people, is that he did offer to be kind of a change agent and, well, that's not change. A filibuster would be nice. I don't know. I guess the question is if he can't fight this why would he do the things that would actually improve the economy (massive infrastructure rebuilding would be a great start) or actually do things that would stop the war. Can he say he doesn't want 58 bases in Iraq or some horrible iraqi contract that the Iraqis sign under duress? I mean, the people that like the war are the AIPAC/DLC duopoly that runs the dems, or enough dems so that we can't change anything significant, or the rahms, schumers, Leibermans, hoyers and fords of this world. Here's a nice chance to show what a real deal change agent looks like and that they won't be running his white house explaining how we have to fund the evil war that everybody hates...Don't get me wrong. He's still better than Hillary and McCain...I guess the question is by how much and is it significant... Well, I think the thing that worries people, is that he did offer to be kind of a change agent and, well, that’s not change. A filibuster would be nice. I don’t know. I guess the question is if he can’t fight this why would he do the things that would actually improve the economy (massive infrastructure rebuilding would be a great start) or actually do things that would stop the war. Can he say he doesn’t want 58 bases in Iraq or some horrible iraqi contract that the Iraqis sign under duress?

I mean, the people that like the war are the AIPAC/DLC duopoly that runs the dems, or enough dems so that we can’t change anything significant, or the rahms, schumers, Leibermans, hoyers and fords of this world. Here’s a nice chance to show what a real deal change agent looks like and that they won’t be running his white house explaining how we have to fund the evil war that everybody hates…Don’t get me wrong. He’s still better than Hillary and McCain…I guess the question is by how much and is it significant…

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101534 Oliver Willis Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:03:28 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101534 When you write posts like that is it because you didn't take the medication? I didn't have a strong opinion on fISA long before Obama was a candidate. I understand its important but I can't muster up the care to be OUTRAGED by this when the economy is in the crapper and we're stuck in Iraq. Sorry I didn't get the memo about how I was supposed to feel. When you write posts like that is it because you didn’t take the medication? I didn’t have a strong opinion on fISA long before Obama was a candidate. I understand its important but I can’t muster up the care to be OUTRAGED by this when the economy is in the crapper and we’re stuck in Iraq. Sorry I didn’t get the memo about how I was supposed to feel.

]]> By: Philip Shropshire http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101533 Philip Shropshire Sat, 21 Jun 2008 03:02:42 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101533 Oliver: So its predictable defense? I see. Well, its not quite as bad as the Instapundit's we're six months away from victory in Iraq or I've heard something quite dire doncha know although completely unverified about European social services that americans would kill for if they knew about them but that's how the path to the dark side begins. Small steps. I mean, first you're killing those kids because they killed your mum and then you kill those kids because the wise senator ordered you to. I sense much Po Werrr in you young one. You will be a most able apprentice for the dark siiiiiide.... Does Obama pay you for that? He should. Philip Shropshire www.threeriversonline.com Oliver: So its predictable defense? I see. Well, its not quite as bad as the Instapundit’s we’re six months away from victory in Iraq or I’ve heard something quite dire doncha know although completely unverified about European social services that americans would kill for if they knew about them but that’s how the path to the dark side begins. Small steps. I mean, first you’re killing those kids because they killed your mum and then you kill those kids because the wise senator ordered you to. I sense much Po Werrr in you young one. You will be a most able apprentice for the dark siiiiiide….

Does Obama pay you for that? He should.

Philip Shropshire
http://www.threeriversonline.com

]]> By: Apikoros http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101525 Apikoros Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:01:02 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101525 <blockquote>I’m not sure I believe this Newsweek poll</blockquote> Get used to it, Mr. Willis! I have a bet on that Barack Obama wins the presidency with 60% of the vote. I'd be willing to put money that McCain takes under 100 electoral votes. McCain is going to be the Goldwater of the 21st century. BTW, if this does come to pass, I do want a post on your behalf that you did hear it here first. This is the end of the Rethuglican party as we knew it. Bob Barr will pull only a few percent nationally, but watch the distributions. I will bet his support will run 10 percent in places like Idaho, where McCain needs to do best. We could be looking at a wipe-out and I think we are. On the bill... w/o retroactive immunity, I don't care. We can repeal it in the next congress with 100% Rethug support. All we have to do is mention that Obama now has the power to listen as they deal away the country. Oh... and access to all those White House conversations captured under "Total Information Awareness" back in 2001-2008. Sauce for the gander in my book :-)

I’m not sure I believe this Newsweek poll

Get used to it, Mr. Willis!

I have a bet on that Barack Obama wins the presidency with 60% of the vote. I’d be willing to put money that McCain takes under 100 electoral votes. McCain is going to be the Goldwater of the 21st century.

BTW, if this does come to pass, I do want a post on your behalf that you did hear it here first. This is the end of the Rethuglican party as we knew it. Bob Barr will pull only a few percent nationally, but watch the distributions. I will bet his support will run 10 percent in places like Idaho, where McCain needs to do best. We could be looking at a wipe-out and I think we are.

On the bill… w/o retroactive immunity, I don’t care. We can repeal it in the next congress with 100% Rethug support. All we have to do is mention that Obama now has the power to listen as they deal away the country. Oh… and access to all those White House conversations captured under “Total Information Awareness” back in 2001-2008. Sauce for the gander in my book :-)

]]> By: C.S.Strowbridge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101517 C.S.Strowbridge Fri, 20 Jun 2008 23:44:03 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101517 "Any comment?" Obama doesn't like the bill, but he's not doing enough to kill it. Call it a draw. I'm not happy, but Obama's still better than McCain this issue. How's that? "I’m not sure I believe this Newsweek poll showing Obama with a 15% lead." Me neither, but it's nice to dream. “Any comment?”

Obama doesn’t like the bill, but he’s not doing enough to kill it. Call it a draw. I’m not happy, but Obama’s still better than McCain this issue.

How’s that?

“I’m not sure I believe this Newsweek poll showing Obama with a 15% lead.”

Me neither, but it’s nice to dream.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101515 Oliver Willis Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:54:43 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101515 I don't really have a position on it, I'm not wild about it but I don't think its the end of the world either. You can look back at my archives and see its never been an issue that I've really jumped on. I don’t really have a position on it, I’m not wild about it but I don’t think its the end of the world either. You can look back at my archives and see its never been an issue that I’ve really jumped on.

]]> By: Philip Shropshire http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101513 Philip Shropshire Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:42:36 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/06/20/15-lead/#comment-101513 Your silence on FISA is deafening. Any comment? Predictable defense? Unstereotypical anger over the chosen one? Philip Shropshire www.threeriversonline.com Your silence on FISA is deafening. Any comment? Predictable defense? Unstereotypical anger over the chosen one?

Philip Shropshire
http://www.threeriversonline.com

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