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	<title>Comments on: McCain&#8217;s Two Faces On Drilling And Gas Prices</title>
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		<title>By: anotherbozo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101285</link>
		<dc:creator>anotherbozo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No actual core to the man...&quot;  --Oliver Willis, June 17

&quot;The way he’s been working the energy issue only makes him look like a man with no inner core.&quot; --Gail Collins, NY Times, June 19

Coincidence?  Or is Collins stealing phrases from Willis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No actual core to the man&#8230;&#8221;  &#8211;Oliver Willis, June 17</p>
<p>&#8220;The way he’s been working the energy issue only makes him look like a man with no inner core.&#8221; &#8211;Gail Collins, NY Times, June 19</p>
<p>Coincidence?  Or is Collins stealing phrases from Willis?</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101279</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 11:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is a great comment over at Sadly, No!, CS. And sounds like a (well, socialist) pretty good idea.&quot;

I like it.

On a side note, I think this is how the government should respond to the credit crisis. Don&#039;t bail out the banks, buy them out. If the government is going to assume the risks, they should be able to reap some of the rewards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is a great comment over at Sadly, No!, CS. And sounds like a (well, socialist) pretty good idea.&#8221;</p>
<p>I like it.</p>
<p>On a side note, I think this is how the government should respond to the credit crisis. Don&#8217;t bail out the banks, buy them out. If the government is going to assume the risks, they should be able to reap some of the rewards.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101218</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9698.html#comment-622506&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt; is a great comment over at Sadly, No!, CS. And sounds like a (well, socialist) pretty good idea.

&lt;i&gt;I had thought that the bottleneck created by not enough refineries was the [part of the] problem?”&lt;/i&gt;

Yes and no. As CS says, the ones we have aren&#039;t going full tilt. Some of the ones on the Gulf Coast were fucked up by Katrina and that other one and haven&#039;t been repaired yet, and if there have been any applications to build new ones, nobody wants to live near one (Jay? Farris? How about your backyard?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.sadlyno.com/archives/9698.html#comment-622506" rel="nofollow">This</a> is a great comment over at Sadly, No!, CS. And sounds like a (well, socialist) pretty good idea.</p>
<p><i>I had thought that the bottleneck created by not enough refineries was the [part of the] problem?”</i></p>
<p>Yes and no. As CS says, the ones we have aren&#8217;t going full tilt. Some of the ones on the Gulf Coast were fucked up by Katrina and that other one and haven&#8217;t been repaired yet, and if there have been any applications to build new ones, nobody wants to live near one (Jay? Farris? How about your backyard?).</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101216</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I tried and failed to find some substantiation in either direction for this that wasn’t tin-foil-hat biased. C.S. - If you have an online source would you mind providing a link?&quot;

Saw it watching the news. The oil companies have plenty of land leases that they are not developing now. Giving them more is hardly incentive for them to develop what they have now. 

&quot;This may be heresay Duros, but I had thought that the bottleneck created by not enough refineries was the problem?&quot;

Nope. They are at 85% capacity, or at least that&#039;s the last figure I read.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I tried and failed to find some substantiation in either direction for this that wasn’t tin-foil-hat biased. C.S. &#8211; If you have an online source would you mind providing a link?&#8221;</p>
<p>Saw it watching the news. The oil companies have plenty of land leases that they are not developing now. Giving them more is hardly incentive for them to develop what they have now. </p>
<p>&#8220;This may be heresay Duros, but I had thought that the bottleneck created by not enough refineries was the problem?&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope. They are at 85% capacity, or at least that&#8217;s the last figure I read.</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101192</link>
		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction - *&#039;The problem&#039; above should read &#039;part of the problem.&#039;*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction &#8211; *&#8217;The problem&#8217; above should read &#8216;part of the problem.&#8217;*</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101191</link>
		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Nope. You see, the oil companies are not at peak production now,&lt;/i&gt;

I tried and failed to find some substantiation in either direction for this that wasn&#039;t tin-foil-hat biased. C.S. - If you have an online source would you mind providing a link? 

&lt;i&gt; It would have been better to spend that time reducing demand by enforcing higher fuel efficiency standards. At least on par with Europe. Hell, doing that right now would help a lot, and immediately. &lt;/i&gt;

I grow somewhat cynical about the political will to do so when I drive down I-5 and pass 40 SUVs carrying, altogether, 43 people. 

&lt;i&gt;Even if we had increased production, refineries would not step up their production any, so the costs would pretty much stay the same.&lt;/i&gt;

This may be heresay Duros, but I had thought that the bottleneck created by not enough refineries was the problem? Are we certain either way whether there&#039;s any truth to the Republican refrain that we haven&#039;t built a new refinery in three decades?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Nope. You see, the oil companies are not at peak production now,</i></p>
<p>I tried and failed to find some substantiation in either direction for this that wasn&#8217;t tin-foil-hat biased. C.S. &#8211; If you have an online source would you mind providing a link? </p>
<p><i> It would have been better to spend that time reducing demand by enforcing higher fuel efficiency standards. At least on par with Europe. Hell, doing that right now would help a lot, and immediately. </i></p>
<p>I grow somewhat cynical about the political will to do so when I drive down I-5 and pass 40 SUVs carrying, altogether, 43 people. </p>
<p><i>Even if we had increased production, refineries would not step up their production any, so the costs would pretty much stay the same.</i></p>
<p>This may be heresay Duros, but I had thought that the bottleneck created by not enough refineries was the problem? Are we certain either way whether there&#8217;s any truth to the Republican refrain that we haven&#8217;t built a new refinery in three decades?</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101182</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;And you’ve kept up that refrain for the past 5-10 years. You think the world petrolium situation is going to get any better in the meantime?!?&quot;

Nope. You see, the oil companies are not at peak production now, so what makes you think if they had more potential production they would be actually producing more than they are now? 

It would have been better to spend that time reducing demand by enforcing higher fuel efficiency standards. At least on par with Europe. Hell, doing that right now would help a lot, and immediately. 

More long term goal would be alternate fuels. Granted, I&#039;m pissed off Al Gore didn&#039;t do more when he was V.P. to push them through. But hopefully the next president will be more responsible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And you’ve kept up that refrain for the past 5-10 years. You think the world petrolium situation is going to get any better in the meantime?!?&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope. You see, the oil companies are not at peak production now, so what makes you think if they had more potential production they would be actually producing more than they are now? </p>
<p>It would have been better to spend that time reducing demand by enforcing higher fuel efficiency standards. At least on par with Europe. Hell, doing that right now would help a lot, and immediately. </p>
<p>More long term goal would be alternate fuels. Granted, I&#8217;m pissed off Al Gore didn&#8217;t do more when he was V.P. to push them through. But hopefully the next president will be more responsible.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101169</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 18:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if we had increased production, refineries would not step up their production any, so the costs would pretty much stay the same.

To tell the truth, I&#039;m kind of surprised Bush hasn&#039;t released the Strategic Oil Reserve yet. That would be the icing on the cake for this fuck-up administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if we had increased production, refineries would not step up their production any, so the costs would pretty much stay the same.</p>
<p>To tell the truth, I&#8217;m kind of surprised Bush hasn&#8217;t released the Strategic Oil Reserve yet. That would be the icing on the cake for this fuck-up administration.</p>
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		<title>By: midderpidge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101164</link>
		<dc:creator>midderpidge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:34:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are we talking about ANWR?  Increased production will not overcome rising demand.  The best we can hope by increasing the production of oil is postponing the crisis for another 5 years, 10 years, 20 years.  It&#039;s not a solution, and constantly repeating it doesn&#039;t make it one.

Republicans have blocked every other energy proposal that actually might address the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are we talking about ANWR?  Increased production will not overcome rising demand.  The best we can hope by increasing the production of oil is postponing the crisis for another 5 years, 10 years, 20 years.  It&#8217;s not a solution, and constantly repeating it doesn&#8217;t make it one.</p>
<p>Republicans have blocked every other energy proposal that actually might address the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101157</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But Democrats said no oil would flow for a decade and would have little impact in oil imports or fuel prices.&lt;/i&gt;


True then, and still true now.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Development (of the refuge) would irreversibly damage this natural resource,&quot; said Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., a leader of the filibuster&lt;/i&gt;

Huh, would you look at that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But Democrats said no oil would flow for a decade and would have little impact in oil imports or fuel prices.</i></p>
<p>True then, and still true now.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Development (of the refuge) would irreversibly damage this natural resource,&#8221; said Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., a leader of the filibuster</i></p>
<p>Huh, would you look at that?</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101154</link>
		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://alaskalegislature.com/stories/041802/anwr.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;There sure were&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://alaskalegislature.com/stories/041802/anwr.shtml" rel="nofollow">There sure were</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101144</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:21:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Links, Farris? Were any such bills submitted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Links, Farris? Were any such bills submitted?</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101140</link>
		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Where was the GOP president and the GOP Congress on 9/12/2001 if drilling in ANWR and the OCS was so important to our security? &lt;/i&gt;

Submitting bills to drill in ANWR only to have Democratics filibuster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Where was the GOP president and the GOP Congress on 9/12/2001 if drilling in ANWR and the OCS was so important to our security? </i></p>
<p>Submitting bills to drill in ANWR only to have Democratics filibuster.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101135</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;1) Any new drilling operation that commenced tomorrow would take 5-10 years to get to market.&lt;/i&gt;

In China.

&lt;i&gt;Hey, here’s an idea, how about a cap-and-trade plan, but don’t make the cap mandatory!&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe a twist-off cap?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>1) Any new drilling operation that commenced tomorrow would take 5-10 years to get to market.</i></p>
<p>In China.</p>
<p><i>Hey, here’s an idea, how about a cap-and-trade plan, but don’t make the cap mandatory!</i></p>
<p>Maybe a twist-off cap?</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101133</link>
		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:55:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Obama is very clear about his positions on energy. McCain has been a demagogue on this issue.&lt;/i&gt;

So calling for a &quot;windfall profits tax&quot; isn&#039;t demagoguing the issue?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Obama is very clear about his positions on energy. McCain has been a demagogue on this issue.</i></p>
<p>So calling for a &#8220;windfall profits tax&#8221; isn&#8217;t demagoguing the issue?!?</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, here&#039;s an idea, how about a cap-and-trade plan, but don&#039;t make the cap mandatory!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, here&#8217;s an idea, how about a cap-and-trade plan, but don&#8217;t make the cap mandatory!</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101129</link>
		<dc:creator>Bruce Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where was the GOP president and the GOP Congress on 9/12/2001 if drilling in ANWR and the OCS was so important to our security? If ever a case could have been made and if ever it could have passed, it should have been then. The fact is, this proposal, for reasons mentioned in previous comments, would amount to a drop in the ocean. The GOP isn&#039;t interested in US security, but only making their already-obscenely-rich friends even more obscenely rich. I&#039;ve been trickled-down upon since 1980! Where is the common sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where was the GOP president and the GOP Congress on 9/12/2001 if drilling in ANWR and the OCS was so important to our security? If ever a case could have been made and if ever it could have passed, it should have been then. The fact is, this proposal, for reasons mentioned in previous comments, would amount to a drop in the ocean. The GOP isn&#8217;t interested in US security, but only making their already-obscenely-rich friends even more obscenely rich. I&#8217;ve been trickled-down upon since 1980! Where is the common sense?</p>
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		<title>By: SaveFarris</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/06/17/mccains-two-faces-on-drilling-and-gas-prices/#comment-101126</link>
		<dc:creator>SaveFarris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Any new drilling operation that commenced tomorrow would take 5-10 years to get to market.&lt;/i&gt;

And you&#039;ve kept up that refrain for the past 5-10 years.  You think the world petrolium situation is going to get any better in the meantime?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Any new drilling operation that commenced tomorrow would take 5-10 years to get to market.</i></p>
<p>And you&#8217;ve kept up that refrain for the past 5-10 years.  You think the world petrolium situation is going to get any better in the meantime?!?</p>
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		<title>By: z_adura</title>
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		<dc:creator>z_adura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonja, this is wishy-washy pap.  Obama is very clear about his positions on energy.  He has been consistent about those from the outset of the campaign.  McCain has been a demagogue on this issue (as with every issue before him.)  There really is no need to put these two in the same bucket.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonja, this is wishy-washy pap.  Obama is very clear about his positions on energy.  He has been consistent about those from the outset of the campaign.  McCain has been a demagogue on this issue (as with every issue before him.)  There really is no need to put these two in the same bucket.</p>
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		<title>By: Parthenon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Parthenon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 04:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sonja - The city government of the town where I live (Ashland, OR)pays people who own solar houses for the excess energy their panels feed back into the grid. Is your organization aware of any other city governments with a program like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonja &#8211; The city government of the town where I live (Ashland, OR)pays people who own solar houses for the excess energy their panels feed back into the grid. Is your organization aware of any other city governments with a program like that?</p>
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