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I wish that I lived in a country where the discussion of where Obama worships were as irrelevant politically as what brand of razor or toothpaste he bought. Some days I hate this country for its pettiness and its militant stupidity.
I remember a less stupid country from my youth; who the #(@($# took my country?
You’re too young. MY youth remembers Joe McCarthy and the HUAC.
HUAC, HUAC,
What a lucky thing it is for you and me
That our citizens are guarded
By politically retarded
Men of unimpeachable integrity
(repeat)
Poor guy. That must have been tough for him and his family.
I hate he had to do that but I understand why he did it. Now maybe FOX News and the other media outlet will leave the church alone. Somethings in America ought to be protected from evil intent.
I realize that you want this to go away and think this is the final word, but there are still questions:
Why now?
What’s so different now than what has been emanating from the church for the past 20 years?
Where does he go from here?
Are you going to ask for a refund of all the cash you funneled to Pfleger?
In light of today’s news, care to revise and extend your remarks from 2 months ago?
All of this boils down to a single question that even the most passionate supporter would agree is an important question: what do you believe? For the past 2 years, Obama has given a mixed, muddled panache of hints with no true answer. Good luck trying to win a competitive election without doing so.
What’s so different now than what has been emanating from the church for the past 20 years?
A good question. Certainly one of the things different now is the selective publicity that has been given to Wright’s sermons. During the 20 years Obama was a member of Trinity Wright preached thousands of sermons. How many people have seen more than 30 seconds of them. (And that 30 seconds over and over again.)
That’s like judging your entire life based on what you did on one particular day before lunch. So maybe the thing that is different is the unbalanced attention being given to the church.
Obama already tried float that argument. Then Wright went on his press tour and we found out that those “30 second clips” were EXACTLY representative of Wright. And finally, after 20 years, Obama finally figured it out (or had it “figured out” for him by his handlers) and denounced Wright. Except that still doesn’t explain why it took him 20 years to do so.
If those clips weren’t a fair representation of a typical Sunday at Trinity, then Barack wouldn’t have left the church.
Ain’t it a damn shame that both Pfleger and Wright’s publicized comments were abso-frickin’-lutely on the money? Hillary does indeed believe she’s “entitled” to the nomination.
And I find it facetious that the wingers are bashing Pfleger for mocking Hillary’s tears, when they themselves were doing THE SAME DAMN THING just a few months ago!
As Cleavon Little said in “Blazing Saddles”: “It’s getting mighty hard to tell the truth.”
‘Ain’t it a damn shame that both Pfleger’s publicized comments were abso-frickin’-lutely on the money? Hillary does indeed believe she’s “entitled” to the nomination.’
I agree with you Randy. It seems that Hillary believes that this isn’t about the Democratic Party, this isn’t about America, this is about Hillary Clinton becoming POTUS. Period.
Leaving the church solves one set of problems, but potentially opens up new ones. There will be the group that thinks, “Well, I guess he really IS a Muslim. He left his church.” Then, there will be inquiries into what church he goes to next – some churches will not want that kind of scrutiny and may turn Obama away.
On the matter of Wright and Phleger’s behavior, I think part of the problem is that these two men work in communities where churches are expected to do more than just hold the occasional bake sale. Social services are poor or non-existent, schools are often poorly equiped, and you may have a greater percentage of broken homes. This is a different set of problems than a church in the suburbs have to deal with. So, for men like Wright and Phleger, they may not have the talent for polite niceties that their peers in the suburban churches have.
“If those clips weren’t a fair representation of a typical Sunday at Trinity, then Barack wouldn’t have left the church.”
Oh please. You don’t know what’s representative of a typical Sunday at the church and you don’t really care.
As for what Obama believes, would you mind telling us what it is that you think anything Wright said tells us about Obama’s beliefs? You raise doubts about what Obama believe but you never actually come out and say what it is you think he may believe in light of Wright’s statements. Would you mind actually filling us in for once?
As for Pfelger’s comments about Clinton, Randy hits the nail on the head. Sean Hannity and much of the right wing noise machine was saying the exact same thing — and worse — at the start of the primaries in equally demogagic tones. They dropped that line when Obama emerged as the leader in favor of concern troll rhetoric that, as is their wont, just a subtler way of pushing the same unspoken theme of the Wright attacks.
Whether they’re selling outrage over Wright or crocodile tears for Clinton, conservatives have one overriding theme for the fall: Obama is a threat to white people.
Leaving the church solves one set of problems, but potentially opens up new ones. There will be the group that thinks, “Well, I guess he really IS a Muslim. He left his church.” Then, there will be inquiries into what church he goes to next – some churches will not want that kind of scrutiny and may turn Obama away.
I was thinking along those lines too. He left his church therefore…. ATHEIST ATHEIST ATHEIST!!!
Why now?
What’s so different now than what has been emanating from the church for the past 20 years?
At some point in every persons’ life, you gotta just say “Fuck this shit.”
He left his church therefore…. ATHEIST ATHEIST ATHEIST!!!
Works for me.
Why bother defusing a bomb that’s already exploded?
What has changed you ask?
Suddenly, Mr. Wright and Mr. Pflueger are demonstrating catastrophic judgment in what they say on the national stage. It’s one thing to speak your mind without restraint when you’re among friends. It’s another when you know you’re under the lens of national media. These two men fail to choose their words appropriately for the occasion.