Michael Savage plays Dead Kennedys song “in some respect for” Sen. Kennedy
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May 21st, 2008
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I am not sure I wouldn’t punch this guy in the mouth if I saw him on the street. I am not sure I wouldn’t be cheered on by onlookers.
z_adura,
The same could be said of ‘ol Teddy.
Classy, christie. Classy.
This is ironic talk coming from somebody that enjoys pissing on the graves of conservatives that pass away.
I guess it would be better to say, “Just because Ted Kennedy has a brain tumor, it doesn’t make him a good person.”
That’s what Oliver does.
No Jay, the brain tumor has nothing to do with it. Ted Kennedy was already a good person.
Vanessa, that’s a matter of opinion.
Let’s not forget that Savage is lower than one of KC’s piles of doggy-doo. You knew it was only a matter of time.
And there’s a difference between dispelling the myth that death somehow deifies one and engaging in Schadenfreude.
Jerry Falwell is a vile human being who cheered the 9/11 attacks. Sen. Kennedy is a great American senator with some personal flaws.
I can see why Jay sees hypocrisy, but still, you have to be awfully indignant to defend a scumbag like Michael Savage.
Jerry Falwell is a vile human being who cheered the 9/11 attacks.
Falwell did not cheer the 9/11 attacks and you didn’t just do it with Falwell. You did it with Charlton Heston as well.
And Ted Kennedy let a woman drown while he saved his own spoiled rich ass, tried to cover it up and then used his clout to avoid any repercussions (aside from a summons for leaving the scene of an accident and losing his license for a year). I’d say that goes beyond “some personal flaws.”
I hate these types of threads. Everytime someone from the opposition has a personal situation, the other side has people who are less than classy. There is always a slice.
However, the difference between Oliver and Savage and others who engage in this charade is that Oliver simply points out that the dead/sick aren’t automatically exonerated of their crimes by their situation. Savage and the Freeper trash openly mock the situation and show glee.
Not that some “liberals” don’t show the same lack of grace in a similar situation, of course. It’s really stupid however to use blog posts and comments as evidence of the moral bankruptcy of the other side. I prefer to use Republican/conservative POLICIES to show that side.
Jay in a thread on May 15th:
Your so full of shit it’s coming out of your ears. The “You do it too” game is something I NEVER do, so go take a flying f**k at a rolling donut dude.
Jay in this thread:
“I guess it would be better to say, “Just because Ted Kennedy has a brain tumor, it doesn’t make him a good person.” That’s what Oliver does.”
Falwell did not cheer the 9/11 attacks
God Gave U.S. ‘What We Deserve,’ Falwell Says
This has been another episode of “Boy, Are You Full Of It”, enjoy your parting gifts.
John Hagee, McCain’s favorite Radical Cleric, said that God sent Osama bin Laden and Katrina to punish America for being too liberal. He and Falwell are exactly one million times more hateful than Wright, and yet the media won’t say so, because frankly, America has a lot of lingering racism, and is more frightened of a somewhat odd black preacher than a truly poisonous, hateful, pro-terrorist, pro-Osama, anti-American white preacher.
Blockquote>Falwell did not cheer the 9/11 attacks
God Gave U.S. ‘What We Deserve,’ Falwell Says
This has been another example of Oliver’s IB education with his inability to understand the definition of “cheer”.
Jay in this thread did not say it was OK to spew on Kennedy because others had done it previously. He was pointing out Oliver’s (persistent) hypocrisy.
It worth noting that there is no liberal equivalent to the Glenn Becks, Sean “Liberalism is Evil (and like Terrorism)” Hannity, Jonah “Hillary Clinton and Liberals are like Hitler” Goldberg, Bill “Daily Kos is a bunch of Nazis” O’Reilly, et al. None. Zero. Please keep noting this obvious fact which may be lost on the Corporate Media suits.
“He was pointing out Oliver’s (persistent) hypocrisy.”
Which is exactly what brought up his “You do it too” comment in the other thread. Someone pointed out the hypocrisy of the right wing noise machine and Jay responded: “You know Rheinhard, the whole “they do it too” drivel is not a valid argument.”
Now he’s doing the same thing Rheinhard did as if it’s a valid argument.
JWG – Thanks for splitting hairs. I find it very comforting that Falwell was not “cheering” on the attacks but when liberals talked about–and laid out cogent cases for–9/11 being a result of bad U.S. foreign policy, we were “traitors” and “appeasers.”
Er…and obviously the truly vile Michael Savage is on that list too…
“I find it very comforting that Falwell was not “cheering” on the attacks but when liberals talked about–and laid out cogent cases for–9/11 being a result of bad U.S. foreign policy, we were “traitors” and ‘appeasers.’”
That is so not a valid argument.
Elaborate, please? I can’t tell if I’m being misunderstood or you’re being sarcastic.
Plus, let us not forget, Kennedy isn’t dead. If we’re all gonna piss on people’s graves, right or left, let’s wait til they’re in them, okay?
sorry, i should have written, “That is sooooooo not a valid argument.” i.e. I was being sarcastic.
And FOX covered the seizure all weekend, like a death watch. What do these righties think, they’re gonna pick up a seat in Massachusetts soon?
Hint to Deval Patrick when his gubernatorial term expires- “Run Joe”.
Fafaroo, you need to learn the difference.
If I say, “So and so did this. What do you think about that?” and somebody responds, “Well, so and so does it too!!”, that’s not valid. And it isn’t what I did. It is EXACTLY what Rheinhard did on the thread here:
http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/
when I criticized what Oliver wrote about people living in Appalachia.
What I did here was point out Oliver’s hypocrisy in complaining what conservatives do when he engages in the same kind of behavior.
So that was a nice try. But move along now.
So Spider, that means if you or somebody else staked out the position that the 9/11 attacks were the result of US foreign policy (ie, our fault), by Oliver-Logic, you were ‘cheering on’ the attacks.
And Jay, my point is that it’s too late for Oliver to stamp his name on that brand of logic, since a number of conservative pundits were very happy to tell me–and indeed, remain happy to tell me–that I was cheering on the attacks and that I want al-Qaida to topple America and convert the nation into the new Caliphate.
Because yeah, I staked out that position. Mind you, I also staked out the position that other factors besides our foreign policy were at fault, but as we all know, the loudest voices on your side of the aisle aren’t interested in “nuance.”
So Spider, that means if you or somebody else staked out the position that the 9/11 attacks were the result of US foreign policy (ie, our fault), by Oliver-Logic, you were ‘cheering on’ the attacks.
Of course not, Jay, come on.
He or I or Jeremiah Wright would be bemoaning the failure of our foreign policy that made the rest of the world so pissed at us that they would do just a dastardly and cowardly thing.
He or I or Jeremiah Wright would not be trying to place the blame at the failure of American morality, or trying to play it off as judgment from on high, or otherwise making shit up as Falwell, Hagge, Parsley et al have done.
What I did here was point out Oliver’s hypocrisy in complaining what conservatives do when he engages in the same kind of behavior.
Can we all just agree that neither side enjoys a monopoly on douche-baggery?
Jesus, people. Don’t make me get the fucking hose.
Jay,
Just many like many other incidents, you still can’t come around saying that Savage et.al. are partaking rather scurrilous attacks. I don’t see liberals in the mainstream media cheering and applauding the death of a political figure. While Oliver’s blog is great and all, his voice doesn’t reach nearly as many people as the self hating creep Savage,Hannity, ORielly, etc…. reaches.
Jay, simple question. If Falwell was a good person, why did God kill him?
White Whale, Michael Savage is a piece of crap and this kind of nonsense is expected of him. I don’t like Ted Kennedy at all. In fact I think he is a loathsome human being who never took full responsibility for what he did at Chappaquiddick. With that being said, I hope that he gets through this illness or if it takes his life, he gets to go without any pain or suffering. Having seen my father in law wither away over a period of 2 years with cancer, I have seen what it is like up front and to make fun of Kennedy’s illness is horrible.
But you know what? I’m tired of hearing about marginal figures like Michael Savage, Debbie Schlussel (or however it is spelled) or any other wannabe like them being labeled as “mainstream” conservative voices because it its bullshit. They are no more part of the mainstream of conservatism than Ted Rall or Randi Rhodes are part of mainstream liberalism (and yes, I know that conservatives have tried to make it seem that way and it’s bull on their part as well).
Zython: LOL!
Jay: “But you know what? I’m tired of hearing about marginal figures like Michael Savage, Debbie Schlussel (or however it is spelled) or any other wannabe like them being labeled as “mainstream” conservative voices because it its bullshit. They are no more part of the mainstream of conservatism than Ted Rall or Randi Rhodes are part of mainstream liberalism (and yes, I know that conservatives have tried to make it seem that way and it’s bull on their part as well).”
I agree with this. Applause.
(As long as you’re not extending the analogy to include such figures as Limbaugh, O’Reilly, or Hannity, who are certainly mainstream conservative figures).
“Just many like many other incidents, you still can’t come around saying that Savage et.al. are partaking rather scurrilous attacks.”
Exactly my point.
Schlussel, I agree, is not a mainstream conservative.
But I’ve had to walk past Savage’s ugly mug staring from book covers in the most visible places in the bookstore. I didn’t even know what Randi Rhodes looked like until she took her commentary too far and got fired from Air America.
(Note that last part: her comments got her fired from Air America.)
Sorry, Jay. Savage is repulsive and stains your entire school of political thought, and I pity you for that. But I pity you more because he’s too mainstream a figure for you to simply sweep under the rug.
“…marginal figures like Michael Savage…”
Yeah, because most “marginal figures” have nationally syndicated radio talk shows with millions of listeners.
Also, since Falwell said that God gave the U.S. what “we deserve” with the 9/11 attacks, and Falwell worshipped that same God, I think it’s pretty fair to say that he “cheered on” the attacks.
Even if Oliver is a hypocrite on this issue, he doesn’t have the platform that Savage has to spew his venom.
I’m sure glad the names are at the top of the post. I can just skip over Jay Teabaggers bullshit that way.
(Note that last part: her comments got her fired from Air America.)
And yet strangely, Savage and asshats like Glen Beck are still on the air. What does it take to get a conservative blowhard fired anyway?
Spider, thanks, but I don’t need your pity (not saying that nasty. I see where you’re coming from, but it’s not necessary). I don’t like Michael Savage and since I think he’s a POS, he does nothing for my political thought. But you give him too much credit. This is a guy who wrote books about herbal medicines before changed his tune. It’s kind of like L. Ron Hubbard realizing he could make more money cooking up a bogus religion.
As for Savage being mainstream, sorry but I don’t buy it. He claims to have “millions” of listeners but he never releases his numbers. Ask the average person if they’ve heard of Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh and they will say yes. Ask the same about Michael Savage and people will say, “Who?” He’s a marginal figure that people only talk about when he says something really outrageous. It’s liberals that give the guy more exposure than anybody else.
He’s on AM radio here in RI. “The Savage Nation.” And then goes ahead and proves it.
He is also here in Georgia. Plenty of my conservative freinds don’t listen to him, but other conservatives I meet think he is “funny”. What I want to know, is if San Fransisco is such a bastion of liberalism, why do douche bags like Savage,Hannity, and Rush have airway time? They got a damn billboard about the Savage Nation!
“He’s a marginal figure that people only talk about when he says something really outrageous.”
Um, not really. Conservatives listen to this guy, even if you don’t, Jay.
Who are America’s “Top 25″ most influential talk-radio hosts?
Today, talk-radio hosts are among the most powerful influencers in America. They are broadcast by more than 1,200 radio stations, plus the Internet, satellite radio, and television. They reach more than 100 million Americans weekly — about a third of the nation.
“The Top 25 Most Influential Talk-Radio Hosts” points out that the firestorm over the Dubai Ports deal was ignited not by a politician or businessman, but by a talk-radio host, Michael Savage, whom Newsmax magazine ranks No. 4 on its list.
The episode stands as proof that the nation’s major talk-radio hosts
have clout well beyond their listening audiences.
Newsmax looked at the more than 4,500 radio hosts — and we identify the 25 who are most influential in shaping the political and social landscape. Newsmax compiled its rankings based on several factors, including radio audience size and, importantly, the host’s global media reach outside of radio, including cable TV news, syndicated columns, books, and the like.
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/Radio_Host_List/2007/12/03/54102.html
That’s fair, Jay, although I would say part of what has kept Savage from joining the conservative pundit pantheon of Limbaugh, Hannity, and O’Reilly is that he lacks even the bare bones subtlety that keeps the others insulated from expulsion.
Whereas Limbaugh might tell a gay caller that they should “shut up and make a quiche already,” Savage tells that same caller to “get AIDS and die,” which is, I recall, one of the more virulent reasons he got fired from something.
My point being that if Savage had any grace or tact in the art of saying truly horrible things, he might be just as popular amongst the right-wing crowd as Rush. Which says less about Savage than it does about (a) the right-wing crowd and (b) the corporate media.
” … he lacks even the bare bones subtlety that keeps the others insulated from expulsion.”
That’s the firs time I think I’ve ever seen “subtlety” used in the same sentence with the name Limbaugh, Hannity and O’Reilly. Regardless, Savage is indeed in the upper echelon of conservative radio talk show hosts, despite Jay’s attempts to marginalize him, precisely because his abrasiveness fills a gap in the marketplace of conservative talk radio. Conservatives enjoy hearing what he says and how he says it. When he is fired from mainstream media outlets like MSNBC or when advertisers refuse to buy ad time during his show, this actually reinforces his appeal to conservative talk radio listeners.
Concern trolls like Jay, however, would rather attack liberals like Oliver, a humble blog writer, than ever call out what conservatives are doing and listening to. Pointing out Jays own hypocritical myopia, as Reinhold did in that thread, only gets the response that one “isn’t making a valid argument.”
“…asshats like Glenn Beck are still on the air.”
I can’t believe that Beck wasn’t fired from his radio job after his “I’m thinking about killing Michael Moore” rant. It would have been nice, at least, if the FEC had fined his program for indecency, but those fines only seems to happen to radio shows when they engage in profanity or overly graphic sex talk.