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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94800</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 15:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;For if holding that insult C (for Chimp) is appropriate toward politician W (for Dubya), is it not discriminatory behavior to hold that the same insult is inappropriate toward politician O (for Obama)?&lt;/i&gt;

No. It isn&#039;t discriminatory as much as it is disparaging. It is an insult of W&#039;s intelligence, something he could probably change, if he so desired. (Not to mention that Curious George is more fitting, because that is his name, after all).
It is racist to O because it is not something he can change. 

I see the point that any disparagement of Obama from the right could probably - not in every case - be construed as racism, simply because that is the only glaring thing the right can attack him for. Will that always be the case? Of course not. Should be acceptable? No. As Obama has said, Not this time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>For if holding that insult C (for Chimp) is appropriate toward politician W (for Dubya), is it not discriminatory behavior to hold that the same insult is inappropriate toward politician O (for Obama)?</i></p>
<p>No. It isn&#8217;t discriminatory as much as it is disparaging. It is an insult of W&#8217;s intelligence, something he could probably change, if he so desired. (Not to mention that Curious George is more fitting, because that is his name, after all).<br />
It is racist to O because it is not something he can change. </p>
<p>I see the point that any disparagement of Obama from the right could probably &#8211; not in every case &#8211; be construed as racism, simply because that is the only glaring thing the right can attack him for. Will that always be the case? Of course not. Should be acceptable? No. As Obama has said, Not this time.</p>
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		<title>By: White Whale</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94788</link>
		<dc:creator>White Whale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 10:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,
I again I think you are supposing that these two incidents are exactly the same and therefore &quot;us liberals&quot; are just finding the Obama incident racists, but not the Chimp incident. I do dissaprove of people calling the President a chimp, but it is not the same as depicting an African American as a monkey. Correct me if I am wrong, but you STILL haven&#039;t arrived at that point, where not only is the shirt racists, but there is a difference. If you believe that calling the President a Chimp is equally as offensive as depicting a prominent African American as a monkey, then just say so. Where I believe you have gone off is by asking me why have I not chastised others for calling Bush a chimp, again presupposing I have or have not, yet I again point to the fact that comparing Bush to a chimp is not racists but crude. It speaks to other aspects. Is it offensive? Yes. Is it RACIST? No. Do not conflate something being offensive with being racist. There are no herculean stretchs here, I simply would like if you would answer my question regarding the Obama shirt. My illogical brain says you can honestly answer this, but you know us liberals and are lack of logic(snark).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,<br />
I again I think you are supposing that these two incidents are exactly the same and therefore &#8220;us liberals&#8221; are just finding the Obama incident racists, but not the Chimp incident. I do dissaprove of people calling the President a chimp, but it is not the same as depicting an African American as a monkey. Correct me if I am wrong, but you STILL haven&#8217;t arrived at that point, where not only is the shirt racists, but there is a difference. If you believe that calling the President a Chimp is equally as offensive as depicting a prominent African American as a monkey, then just say so. Where I believe you have gone off is by asking me why have I not chastised others for calling Bush a chimp, again presupposing I have or have not, yet I again point to the fact that comparing Bush to a chimp is not racists but crude. It speaks to other aspects. Is it offensive? Yes. Is it RACIST? No. Do not conflate something being offensive with being racist. There are no herculean stretchs here, I simply would like if you would answer my question regarding the Obama shirt. My illogical brain says you can honestly answer this, but you know us liberals and are lack of logic(snark).</p>
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		<title>By: matt621</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94767</link>
		<dc:creator>matt621</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 03:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>White Whale, 

I never supposed that you approved of the Chimpy meme, and it is a Herculean stretch for you to infer it.  

Let&#039;s review what I actually said, without the fictional subtext you&#039;ve inserted:

&quot;Did you ever once express the same disdain for those efforts on the part of your fellow travelers that you’ve just posted above?&quot;

Since you seem deficient in your understanding of the language, let me put it more simply:  did you find references to Bush as Chimp as offensive then, as you find references to Obama as Chimp now?

It&#039;s a simple question, which to your credit you did answer, after a fashion, by validating the original comparison:  &quot;Calling George Bush a chimp is probably referecing he mannerisms, attitude towards speaking, a simian mindset or whatever.&quot;

Now, I guess I need to apologize here to both you and C.S. Strowbridge.

You see, I made the terrible mistake of using wrong definition of racism in making my point.  

Apparently, the Webster&#039;s definition I was thinking of, &quot;&lt;b&gt;discriminatory&lt;/b&gt; or abusive &lt;b&gt;behavior towards members of another race,&lt;/b&gt;&quot; wasn&#039;t the right one.  

For if holding that insult C (for Chimp) is appropriate toward politician W (for Dubya), is it not discriminatory behavior to hold that the same insult is inappropriate toward politician O (for Obama)?

Logic (possible a foreign concept, try looking it up) and the dictionary tell us that racism is in the discriminatory behavior.  Holding someone to a different standard is discriminatory.  If the different standard is leveled only because of a difference in race, the discrimination is, by definition, racism.  QED.

But what I failed to recognize is that you were apparently using the more liberal definition of racism, which apparently is  &quot;&lt;b&gt;ANY&lt;/b&gt; behavior towards members of another race.&quot; 

So, I deeply, sincerely and humbly apologize.  And to add a familiar liberal ring to it, let me also extend that apology to anyone who was stupid enough to misinterpret my remarks in an offensive manner.

But the combined arguments of both you and C.S. do serve to prove out the cliche (which I&#039;ve translated in C.S.&#039;s native tongue so he can understand it too):

IF ALL YOU FUCKING ARE IS A FUCKING HAMMER, EVERY FUCKING PROBLEM FUCKING LOOKS LIKE A FUCKING NAIL.  

But I&#039;m glad to see the creativity lessons are taking hold, C.S.  You fuckwit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>White Whale, </p>
<p>I never supposed that you approved of the Chimpy meme, and it is a Herculean stretch for you to infer it.  </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s review what I actually said, without the fictional subtext you&#8217;ve inserted:</p>
<p>&#8220;Did you ever once express the same disdain for those efforts on the part of your fellow travelers that you’ve just posted above?&#8221;</p>
<p>Since you seem deficient in your understanding of the language, let me put it more simply:  did you find references to Bush as Chimp as offensive then, as you find references to Obama as Chimp now?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a simple question, which to your credit you did answer, after a fashion, by validating the original comparison:  &#8220;Calling George Bush a chimp is probably referecing he mannerisms, attitude towards speaking, a simian mindset or whatever.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, I guess I need to apologize here to both you and C.S. Strowbridge.</p>
<p>You see, I made the terrible mistake of using wrong definition of racism in making my point.  </p>
<p>Apparently, the Webster&#8217;s definition I was thinking of, &#8220;<b>discriminatory</b> or abusive <b>behavior towards members of another race,</b>&#8221; wasn&#8217;t the right one.  </p>
<p>For if holding that insult C (for Chimp) is appropriate toward politician W (for Dubya), is it not discriminatory behavior to hold that the same insult is inappropriate toward politician O (for Obama)?</p>
<p>Logic (possible a foreign concept, try looking it up) and the dictionary tell us that racism is in the discriminatory behavior.  Holding someone to a different standard is discriminatory.  If the different standard is leveled only because of a difference in race, the discrimination is, by definition, racism.  QED.</p>
<p>But what I failed to recognize is that you were apparently using the more liberal definition of racism, which apparently is  &#8220;<b>ANY</b> behavior towards members of another race.&#8221; </p>
<p>So, I deeply, sincerely and humbly apologize.  And to add a familiar liberal ring to it, let me also extend that apology to anyone who was stupid enough to misinterpret my remarks in an offensive manner.</p>
<p>But the combined arguments of both you and C.S. do serve to prove out the cliche (which I&#8217;ve translated in C.S.&#8217;s native tongue so he can understand it too):</p>
<p>IF ALL YOU FUCKING ARE IS A FUCKING HAMMER, EVERY FUCKING PROBLEM FUCKING LOOKS LIKE A FUCKING NAIL.  </p>
<p>But I&#8217;m glad to see the creativity lessons are taking hold, C.S.  You fuckwit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94762</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CS, you are without a doubt the stupidest person on the planet. Your responses here show that. I mean, you live in Canada. Do you people have a problem with permanent brain freeze up there? It&#039;s either that or you&#039;re a marvel of nature: The only man alive that can surf the Interent and type stupid ass shit with his head so far up his ass, it&#039;s giving him a second adam&#039;s apple.

Know what? You&#039;re going back on ignore. I cannot waste any more brain cells on your drivel. You are a STUPID, STUPID man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CS, you are without a doubt the stupidest person on the planet. Your responses here show that. I mean, you live in Canada. Do you people have a problem with permanent brain freeze up there? It&#8217;s either that or you&#8217;re a marvel of nature: The only man alive that can surf the Interent and type stupid ass shit with his head so far up his ass, it&#8217;s giving him a second adam&#8217;s apple.</p>
<p>Know what? You&#8217;re going back on ignore. I cannot waste any more brain cells on your drivel. You are a STUPID, STUPID man.</p>
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		<title>By: White Whale</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94719</link>
		<dc:creator>White Whale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 22:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,
I think it is you that are changing the subject. I guess your search turned up nothing and you decided to insert your presupposed ideas of me with others.  I would say it is telling that you can&#039;t see how the shirt is indicative of racism, but I DON&#039;T KNOW you. I can however, gather some inkling through statements and dodges, your lack of understanding how depicting an African American as a monkey is offensive and racist. Tsk..Tsk...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,<br />
I think it is you that are changing the subject. I guess your search turned up nothing and you decided to insert your presupposed ideas of me with others.  I would say it is telling that you can&#8217;t see how the shirt is indicative of racism, but I DON&#8217;T KNOW you. I can however, gather some inkling through statements and dodges, your lack of understanding how depicting an African American as a monkey is offensive and racist. Tsk..Tsk&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94707</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 21:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Many areas of the south, especially the rural south, are ok with discrimination. It doesn’t have anything to do with income, but its values.”

matt621: &quot;Apparently, even among Democratic voters in West Virginia, huh?&quot;

Yep. Sad but true. Of course, Democrats are less likely to be racist, after all, the Republics have a history of using race-baiting to win elections in the south. 

Hell, Trent Lott apologized for using this racist campaign strategy, and then was forced by his party to apologize for apologizing. 

&quot;It’s even more pronounced if you look at urban black voters.&quot;

That&#039;s right. Because black voters have never voted for a white presidential candidate before. 

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

God, you guys are so fucking stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Many areas of the south, especially the rural south, are ok with discrimination. It doesn’t have anything to do with income, but its values.”</p>
<p>matt621: &#8220;Apparently, even among Democratic voters in West Virginia, huh?&#8221;</p>
<p>Yep. Sad but true. Of course, Democrats are less likely to be racist, after all, the Republics have a history of using race-baiting to win elections in the south. </p>
<p>Hell, Trent Lott apologized for using this racist campaign strategy, and then was forced by his party to apologize for apologizing. </p>
<p>&#8220;It’s even more pronounced if you look at urban black voters.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s right. Because black voters have never voted for a white presidential candidate before. </p>
<p>Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!</p>
<p>God, you guys are so fucking stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94706</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 21:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me: &quot;Yes. Racism is an anti-American value. While you can be American and a racist, you are less American if you are racist.&quot;

Jay: &quot;Of course, that is based on the broad brush stereotype that every single person that lives in these areas are racist.&quot;

Fuck you, you lying sack of shit. I never said anything that could even be misinterpreted as that. And if you are attacking someone else, fucking quote them and not me. 

&quot;It’s amazing how people can be so hypocritical,&quot;

It&#039;s amazing how you can be so fucking stupid. Your desperate need to find an excuse, any excuse to attack someone else for the sins of your party is pathetic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Me: &#8220;Yes. Racism is an anti-American value. While you can be American and a racist, you are less American if you are racist.&#8221;</p>
<p>Jay: &#8220;Of course, that is based on the broad brush stereotype that every single person that lives in these areas are racist.&#8221;</p>
<p>Fuck you, you lying sack of shit. I never said anything that could even be misinterpreted as that. And if you are attacking someone else, fucking quote them and not me. </p>
<p>&#8220;It’s amazing how people can be so hypocritical,&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how you can be so fucking stupid. Your desperate need to find an excuse, any excuse to attack someone else for the sins of your party is pathetic.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94703</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 20:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>matt621: &quot;Did you ever once express the same disdain for those efforts on the part of your fellow travelers that you’ve just posted above?

Aside from the skin color of the butt of the jokes, what’s the difference between them?&quot;

Aside from the skin color. &lt;I&gt;Aside from the skin color&lt;/I&gt;. When it comes to racist attacks, the skin color is all that matters. 

Do we really have to explain this to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt621: &#8220;Did you ever once express the same disdain for those efforts on the part of your fellow travelers that you’ve just posted above?</p>
<p>Aside from the skin color of the butt of the jokes, what’s the difference between them?&#8221;</p>
<p>Aside from the skin color. <i>Aside from the skin color</i>. When it comes to racist attacks, the skin color is all that matters. </p>
<p>Do we really have to explain this to you?</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94686</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 17:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Good job Duros62, that’s a very nice retelling of a retelling of a foaf.&lt;/i&gt;

Yeah, I know, a little circular. Hey, I didn&#039;t write it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Good job Duros62, that’s a very nice retelling of a retelling of a foaf.</i></p>
<p>Yeah, I know, a little circular. Hey, I didn&#8217;t write it.</p>
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		<title>By: matt621</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94684</link>
		<dc:creator>matt621</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 17:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Many areas of the south, especially the rural south, are ok with discrimination. It doesn’t have anything to do with income, but its values.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Apparently, even among &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Democratic&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; voters in West Virginia, huh? 

How does this square with all I keep hearing about how tolerant and inclusive Democrats are?  The universal values of the Democrats don&#039;t exactly show up at the ballot box.  It&#039;s even more pronounced if you look at urban black voters.

And what about if we took your statement and tweaked it just a tiny bit?  If your logic is sound, it ought to hold up.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Many areas of the north, especially the urban north, are ok with affirmative action. It doesn’t have anything to do with income, but its values.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Still true?  Does it help explain the near 90% advantage Obama enjoys in African American demographics?  After all, it&#039;s not about the color of her skin but the content of her character, is this not what the enlightened voter believes?  

Or am I misunderstanding Dr. King?     

Your statement is a fabulous non sequitur, but below your usual efforts at changing the subject when the details grow inconvenient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Many areas of the south, especially the rural south, are ok with discrimination. It doesn’t have anything to do with income, but its values.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Apparently, even among <b><i>Democratic</i></b> voters in West Virginia, huh? </p>
<p>How does this square with all I keep hearing about how tolerant and inclusive Democrats are?  The universal values of the Democrats don&#8217;t exactly show up at the ballot box.  It&#8217;s even more pronounced if you look at urban black voters.</p>
<p>And what about if we took your statement and tweaked it just a tiny bit?  If your logic is sound, it ought to hold up.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;Many areas of the north, especially the urban north, are ok with affirmative action. It doesn’t have anything to do with income, but its values.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Still true?  Does it help explain the near 90% advantage Obama enjoys in African American demographics?  After all, it&#8217;s not about the color of her skin but the content of her character, is this not what the enlightened voter believes?  </p>
<p>Or am I misunderstanding Dr. King?     </p>
<p>Your statement is a fabulous non sequitur, but below your usual efforts at changing the subject when the details grow inconvenient.</p>
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		<title>By: Oliver Willis</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94682</link>
		<dc:creator>Oliver Willis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 17:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every single area? No. More than the average? Yep. I didn&#039;t say WV or Appalachia didn&#039;t count. It counts, add it to the scoreboard. But I don&#039;t think Appalachia and its throwback view of the world represents the future of America. And no Dem has won the White House without winning Missouri (where Obama won). And OMG you know what? Texas used to be a Democratic state, but then the party &lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ta5aJGDj40c&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;made the mistake&lt;/a&gt; of saying black people have equal rights and Texas went Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every single area? No. More than the average? Yep. I didn&#8217;t say WV or Appalachia didn&#8217;t count. It counts, add it to the scoreboard. But I don&#8217;t think Appalachia and its throwback view of the world represents the future of America. And no Dem has won the White House without winning Missouri (where Obama won). And OMG you know what? Texas used to be a Democratic state, but then the party <a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ta5aJGDj40c" rel="nofollow">made the mistake</a> of saying black people have equal rights and Texas went Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94680</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yes. Racism is an anti-American value. While you can be American and a racist, you are less American if you are racist.&lt;/i&gt;

Of course, that is based on the broad brush stereotype that every single person that lives in these areas are racist. That&#039;s bigotry all on its own and as such makes people who believe it, less American.

That stereotype is no different from the bogus one that all blacks who live in the inner cities in America are gang bangers, drug dealers, and welfare recipients. 

It&#039;s amazing how people can be so hypocritical, while with one side of their mouth, engaging in the worst kind of stereotyping of people and in the other, condemning others for doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yes. Racism is an anti-American value. While you can be American and a racist, you are less American if you are racist.</i></p>
<p>Of course, that is based on the broad brush stereotype that every single person that lives in these areas are racist. That&#8217;s bigotry all on its own and as such makes people who believe it, less American.</p>
<p>That stereotype is no different from the bogus one that all blacks who live in the inner cities in America are gang bangers, drug dealers, and welfare recipients. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how people can be so hypocritical, while with one side of their mouth, engaging in the worst kind of stereotyping of people and in the other, condemning others for doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: jerry</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94678</link>
		<dc:creator>jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oliver, without Appalachia, I think we would have missed out on some of the best Twilight Zone episodes.... /snerk

Good job Duros62, that&#039;s a very nice retelling of a retelling of a foaf.  I think you need to post that to CL telling readers they need to repost it 5 times in different cities or else bad things will happen to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oliver, without Appalachia, I think we would have missed out on some of the best Twilight Zone episodes&#8230;. /snerk</p>
<p>Good job Duros62, that&#8217;s a very nice retelling of a retelling of a foaf.  I think you need to post that to CL telling readers they need to repost it 5 times in different cities or else bad things will happen to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94677</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly, West Virginia did not get the memo when all the Dixiecrats switched parties. 

But god forbid, &lt;a href=&quot;http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/if-a-black-man-still-cant-get.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;we use a stereotype to define them.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly, West Virginia did not get the memo when all the Dixiecrats switched parties. </p>
<p>But god forbid, <a href="http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/if-a-black-man-still-cant-get.php" rel="nofollow">we use a stereotype to define them.</a></p>
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		<title>By: White Whale</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94676</link>
		<dc:creator>White Whale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:23:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt,
I could be wrong but search where I have refered to Bush as &quot;Chimperor&quot; and get back to me. I would doubt you can find where I have said such a thing, but I would love to be proved wrong. You, my friend are showing some willfull ignorance to not see this Jim Crow tactic and recognize its divisivness. Calling George Bush a chimp is probably referecing he mannerisms, attitude towards speaking, a simian mindset or whatever. I don&#039;t choose to call him that because I could easily say the man is lacking in the intellegence area to be our president. Its in poor taste to name call the president a chimp, but your an idiot if you don&#039;t see the hurt and racism that depicting a prominent African American as a monkey shows. Put that in your moral absolution pipe and smoke it my friend:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt,<br />
I could be wrong but search where I have refered to Bush as &#8220;Chimperor&#8221; and get back to me. I would doubt you can find where I have said such a thing, but I would love to be proved wrong. You, my friend are showing some willfull ignorance to not see this Jim Crow tactic and recognize its divisivness. Calling George Bush a chimp is probably referecing he mannerisms, attitude towards speaking, a simian mindset or whatever. I don&#8217;t choose to call him that because I could easily say the man is lacking in the intellegence area to be our president. Its in poor taste to name call the president a chimp, but your an idiot if you don&#8217;t see the hurt and racism that depicting a prominent African American as a monkey shows. Put that in your moral absolution pipe and smoke it my friend:)</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94675</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But many of those votes will be cast out of nostalgia for the first Clinton presidency, and out of misplaced loyalty to the old Democratic party it represents.&lt;/i&gt;

Therein lies my biggest problem with Hillary. Nostalgia is quaint, but it don&#039;t get the job done. This country needs an enema.

This kind of shit makes me bitter. I&#039;m getting my gun and going to church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But many of those votes will be cast out of nostalgia for the first Clinton presidency, and out of misplaced loyalty to the old Democratic party it represents.</i></p>
<p>Therein lies my biggest problem with Hillary. Nostalgia is quaint, but it don&#8217;t get the job done. This country needs an enema.</p>
<p>This kind of shit makes me bitter. I&#8217;m getting my gun and going to church.</p>
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		<title>By: SpiderJ</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94674</link>
		<dc:creator>SpiderJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>matt621 - I&#039;ve never been fond of the Chimpy McBush meme, but you&#039;re incredibly ignorant of history if you think that &quot;Chimpy McBush&quot; can be compared equally to any image of a black man depicted as an ape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>matt621 &#8211; I&#8217;ve never been fond of the Chimpy McBush meme, but you&#8217;re incredibly ignorant of history if you think that &#8220;Chimpy McBush&#8221; can be compared equally to any image of a black man depicted as an ape.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94673</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay: &quot;And what makes them less of Americans than anybody else? &quot;

Yes. Racism is an anti-American value. While you can be American and a racist, you are less American if you are racist. 

Southern Quaker: &quot;Yes, racism still exists in the South, particularly the rural South. But you know what? I heard as much racist crap in South Boston as I ever heard while living in Texas, South Carolina, or Kentucky.&quot;

Take a look at the states that outlawed inter-racial marriage before it was struck down. I think you will notice a geographical pattern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay: &#8220;And what makes them less of Americans than anybody else? &#8221;</p>
<p>Yes. Racism is an anti-American value. While you can be American and a racist, you are less American if you are racist. </p>
<p>Southern Quaker: &#8220;Yes, racism still exists in the South, particularly the rural South. But you know what? I heard as much racist crap in South Boston as I ever heard while living in Texas, South Carolina, or Kentucky.&#8221;</p>
<p>Take a look at the states that outlawed inter-racial marriage before it was struck down. I think you will notice a geographical pattern.</p>
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		<title>By: Quaker in a Basement</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94670</link>
		<dc:creator>Quaker in a Basement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:05:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s right. Obama can&#039;t win in Appalachia. Republicans, there is no need to campaign in these areas. No need to address the issues that concern voters there. Stay away! Use your money elsewhere! You have it in the bag! Really, you do....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s right. Obama can&#8217;t win in Appalachia. Republicans, there is no need to campaign in these areas. No need to address the issues that concern voters there. Stay away! Use your money elsewhere! You have it in the bag! Really, you do&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Southern Quaker</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/14/obama-and-appalachia/#comment-94668</link>
		<dc:creator>Southern Quaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 15:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Many areas of the south, especially the rural south, are ok with discrimination. It doesn’t have anything to do with income, but its values.&lt;/i&gt;

jeez, Oliver, can the stereotyping, okay? The media goes out of its way to find stupid, divisive quotes to show on the 6 o&#039;clock news. Do you &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; believe that the idiots chosen to give 5-second soundbites represent the &lt;i&gt;best&lt;/i&gt; recorded comments, or just the most inflammatory?

Yes, racism still exists in the South, particularly the rural South. But you know what? I heard as much racist crap in South Boston as I ever heard while living in Texas, South Carolina, or Kentucky. 

I hate to say it, but Jay is absolutely correct when he compares living conditions in Appalachia to those in the inner cities. And yet, there is an tendency to &quot;fuck the stupid hillbillies&quot; among some so-called progressives that very much echoes the &quot;welfare queen, drug addict&quot; rhetoric of the right wing. 

West Virginia voted overwhelmingly for HRC. My home state will most likely do the same thing next week. Some of those votes will be cast against the scary black man. But many of those votes will be cast out of nostalgia for the first Clinton presidency, and out of misplaced loyalty to the old Democratic party it represents.

(And I would add that not all Appalachians are white, either. Check out the Affrilachian movement if you want another view of Appalachia.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Many areas of the south, especially the rural south, are ok with discrimination. It doesn’t have anything to do with income, but its values.</i></p>
<p>jeez, Oliver, can the stereotyping, okay? The media goes out of its way to find stupid, divisive quotes to show on the 6 o&#8217;clock news. Do you <i>really</i> believe that the idiots chosen to give 5-second soundbites represent the <i>best</i> recorded comments, or just the most inflammatory?</p>
<p>Yes, racism still exists in the South, particularly the rural South. But you know what? I heard as much racist crap in South Boston as I ever heard while living in Texas, South Carolina, or Kentucky. </p>
<p>I hate to say it, but Jay is absolutely correct when he compares living conditions in Appalachia to those in the inner cities. And yet, there is an tendency to &#8220;fuck the stupid hillbillies&#8221; among some so-called progressives that very much echoes the &#8220;welfare queen, drug addict&#8221; rhetoric of the right wing. </p>
<p>West Virginia voted overwhelmingly for HRC. My home state will most likely do the same thing next week. Some of those votes will be cast against the scary black man. But many of those votes will be cast out of nostalgia for the first Clinton presidency, and out of misplaced loyalty to the old Democratic party it represents.</p>
<p>(And I would add that not all Appalachians are white, either. Check out the Affrilachian movement if you want another view of Appalachia.)</p>
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