Comments on: Black Voters Don’t Count http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:56:48 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Sean D. Martin http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-94375 Sean D. Martin Mon, 12 May 2008 08:44:53 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-94375 JK: "<i>I don’t like Barack Obama. He hung out with Wright for years…and then threw him under the bus when it was politcally expedient for him to do so. His wife’s views on America are troubling….and he has associations with a known terrorist. That’s enough for me. You are, in part, who you associate with. I’ll vote for the old guy. </i>" Why don't you give the real reason for not liking Obama. Cause the things you're listing are not at all the result of rational consideration. You're objecting to his associating with Wright, and to his disassociating himself from Wright When someone cites two opposing reasons, neither one is the real one. They're just parroting something they heard because they think it's a more acceptable reason than their real objection. And don't tell me it's because of the <b>way</b> he disassociated himself from Wright. Because he clearly <b>didn't</b> do it "<i>when it was politcally expedient for him to do so.</i>" That would have been when the Wright first became news, and instead he made an honest, eloquent and perceptive speech explaining why he <i>couldn't</i> just denounce Wright. "<i>His wife’s views on America are troubling…</i>" And very much in line with the majority of Americans. Tell me, JK, has nothing about what our leadership has done in the past 8 years mad you even slightly bothered? "<i>and he has associations with a known terrorist.</i>" You mean acts committed by someone when Obama was, what, 8? You mean the guy who is now a noted teacher at a prestigious university? Again, you're objections are not the result of rational consideration or even vague thought. You're parroting Hillary and Republican talking points. Probably because you are totally unwilling to say why you really don't like the guy. It's because his ears stick out a bit, isn't it. Yeah, I knew it had to do with the way he looks. JK: “I don’t like Barack Obama. He hung out with Wright for years…and then threw him under the bus when it was politcally expedient for him to do so. His wife’s views on America are troubling….and he has associations with a known terrorist. That’s enough for me. You are, in part, who you associate with.

I’ll vote for the old guy. ”

Why don’t you give the real reason for not liking Obama. Cause the things you’re listing are not at all the result of rational consideration.

You’re objecting to his associating with Wright, and to his disassociating himself from Wright When someone cites two opposing reasons, neither one is the real one. They’re just parroting something they heard because they think it’s a more acceptable reason than their real objection.

And don’t tell me it’s because of the way he disassociated himself from Wright. Because he clearly didn’t do it “when it was politcally expedient for him to do so.” That would have been when the Wright first became news, and instead he made an honest, eloquent and perceptive speech explaining why he couldn’t just denounce Wright.

“His wife’s views on America are troubling…”
And very much in line with the majority of Americans. Tell me, JK, has nothing about what our leadership has done in the past 8 years mad you even slightly bothered?

“and he has associations with a known terrorist.”
You mean acts committed by someone when Obama was, what, 8? You mean the guy who is now a noted teacher at a prestigious university?

Again, you’re objections are not the result of rational consideration or even vague thought. You’re parroting Hillary and Republican talking points. Probably because you are totally unwilling to say why you really don’t like the guy.

It’s because his ears stick out a bit, isn’t it. Yeah, I knew it had to do with the way he looks.

]]> By: Queixada http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-94368 Queixada Mon, 12 May 2008 04:41:04 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-94368 I hope you never find out half the deranged persons associated with McCain. You might commit suicide. I hope you never find out half the deranged persons associated with McCain. You might commit suicide.

]]> By: JK http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-94041 JK Fri, 09 May 2008 00:08:32 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-94041 Steve, no troll here...I was a regular contributor to this blog long before you knew how to operate a keyboard. It's a simple fact: exit polls are telling us that Obama has lost white working class voters. He won't win. He can't. If a person like me, moderately liberal, who has NEVER voted for a GOP Pres. candidate, is turned off by Obama, he's toast. Can he get them back? If his opponent were Mike Huckabee...I'd say maybe. But it's not. Let me say it clearly: I don't like Barack Obama. He hung out with Wright for years...and then threw him under the bus when it was politcally expedient for him to do so. His wife's views on America are troubling....and he has associations with a known terrorist. That's enough for me. You are, in part, who you associate with. I'll vote for the old guy. JK Steve, no troll here…I was a regular contributor to this blog long before you knew how to operate a keyboard.

It’s a simple fact: exit polls are telling us that Obama has lost white working class voters. He won’t win. He can’t. If a person like me, moderately liberal, who has NEVER voted for a GOP Pres. candidate, is turned off by Obama, he’s toast.

Can he get them back? If his opponent were Mike Huckabee…I’d say maybe. But it’s not.

Let me say it clearly: I don’t like Barack Obama. He hung out with Wright for years…and then threw him under the bus when it was politcally expedient for him to do so. His wife’s views on America are troubling….and he has associations with a known terrorist. That’s enough for me. You are, in part, who you associate with.

I’ll vote for the old guy.

JK

]]> By: merl http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93907 merl Thu, 08 May 2008 09:32:46 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93907 A working class person would have to be a damn fool to vote for any Republicant. A working class person would have to be a damn fool to vote for any Republicant.

]]> By: Randy Brown http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93865 Randy Brown Wed, 07 May 2008 22:51:48 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93865 <i>Jkstraw_01[...]</i> You mean, "Jkschidt"? As in, "you don't know..."? Quaker in a Basement: "<i>you might as well put a fork in the guy now.</i> Michael Richards, is that you?" Not Richards. More like Dr. Lecter. Jkstraw_01[...]

You mean, “Jkschidt”? As in, “you don’t know…”?

Quaker in a Basement:

“you might as well put a fork in the guy now.

Michael Richards, is that you?”

Not Richards. More like Dr. Lecter.

]]> By: TX Liberal http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93864 TX Liberal Wed, 07 May 2008 22:47:57 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93864 <blockquote>He lost me with Wright and his “bitter” comments, not to mention his elitist wife’s offensive comments about “first time of being proud.” </blockquote> Notice the typical Limbaugh/Hannity talking points? <i>Bomb, Bomb, Bomb.....Bomb, Bomb Iran Bomb, Bomb, Bomb.....Bomb, Bomb Iran Bomb, Bomb, Bomb.....Bomb, Bomb Iran Bomb, Bomb, Bomb.....Bomb, Bomb Iran</i>

He lost me with Wright and his “bitter” comments, not to mention his elitist wife’s offensive comments about “first time of being proud.”

Notice the typical Limbaugh/Hannity talking points?

Bomb, Bomb, Bomb…..Bomb, Bomb Iran
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb…..Bomb, Bomb Iran
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb…..Bomb, Bomb Iran
Bomb, Bomb, Bomb…..Bomb, Bomb Iran

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93863 Quaker in a Basement Wed, 07 May 2008 22:43:16 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93863 <em>you might as well put a fork in the guy now.</em> Michael Richards, is that you? you might as well put a fork in the guy now.

Michael Richards, is that you?

]]> By: Angry African http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93862 Angry African Wed, 07 May 2008 22:05:59 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93862 Another day gone and another day of speculations on who will be the next President. Another round of mud slinging and unfounded rumors. And I am not talking about those running to become the next US President. I am talking about the American people – or at least some of them. I am astounded to read some of the things people have to say about those leaders who are willing to put their hand up in a difficult time in the American history. What is it that makes people dig so deep to find their own worse self in the way they speak about the candidates? It’s like being in South Africa all over again back in 1994 when we had our own first democratic elections. The doomsayers lived large. But the truth is that all three would make fairly good Presidents – and all have their flaws. It won’t be the end of America. Can’t people just focus on what makes America great instead of scrapping the bottom of the barrel of humanity in the way they talk about their potential future leader? http://angryafrican.net/2008/05/07/november-is-coming-start-stockpiling-baby/ Another day gone and another day of speculations on who will be the next President. Another round of mud slinging and unfounded rumors. And I am not talking about those running to become the next US President. I am talking about the American people – or at least some of them. I am astounded to read some of the things people have to say about those leaders who are willing to put their hand up in a difficult time in the American history. What is it that makes people dig so deep to find their own worse self in the way they speak about the candidates? It’s like being in South Africa all over again back in 1994 when we had our own first democratic elections. The doomsayers lived large. But the truth is that all three would make fairly good Presidents – and all have their flaws. It won’t be the end of America. Can’t people just focus on what makes America great instead of scrapping the bottom of the barrel of humanity in the way they talk about their potential future leader? http://angryafrican.net/2008/05/07/november-is-coming-start-stockpiling-baby/

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93859 Duros62 Wed, 07 May 2008 21:27:39 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93859 To paraphrase Wellstone from the other day, JK would rather have a Republican than a President. To paraphrase Wellstone from the other day, JK would rather have a Republican than a President.

]]> By: mambochicken23 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93854 mambochicken23 Wed, 07 May 2008 21:06:27 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93854 Oh, and JK... don't look now, but two of your reasons for Obama having "lost" you weren't perpetrated by Obama in the first place. Your third reason for his "losing" is simply that he told the truth, albeit in a poorly-phrased manner (Obama was reportedly disappointed with himself for phrasing his comments the way he did). Boy, as you're a working-class Dem... it would have been nice to be on the winning side in a presidential election for a change, wouldn't it? Oh well... Enjoy voting for McCain in November. Oh, and JK… don’t look now, but two of your reasons for Obama having “lost” you weren’t perpetrated by Obama in the first place. Your third reason for his “losing” is simply that he told the truth, albeit in a poorly-phrased manner (Obama was reportedly disappointed with himself for phrasing his comments the way he did).

Boy, as you’re a working-class Dem… it would have been nice to be on the winning side in a presidential election for a change, wouldn’t it? Oh well… Enjoy voting for McCain in November.

]]> By: mambochicken23 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93852 mambochicken23 Wed, 07 May 2008 20:59:41 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93852 JK, you're a clown. I do love the irony of your implication that you, yourself, are a "thinking voter," and that we Obama supporters are voting with our guts (or our genitals, weirdly enough). You should write for the Colbert Report. JK, you’re a clown. I do love the irony of your implication that you, yourself, are a “thinking voter,” and that we Obama supporters are voting with our guts (or our genitals, weirdly enough). You should write for the Colbert Report.

]]> By: Sean D. Martin http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93850 Sean D. Martin Wed, 07 May 2008 20:53:39 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93850 JK: <i>He lost me with Wright and his “bitter” comments, not to mention his elitist wife’s offensive comments about “first time of being proud.”</i> Yum, tasty Kool Aid. JK: He lost me with Wright and his “bitter” comments, not to mention his elitist wife’s offensive comments about “first time of being proud.”

Yum, tasty Kool Aid.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93845 Oliver Willis Wed, 07 May 2008 20:21:32 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93845 I for one encourage the McCain voters to tell us who they are. Shows me how to separate the warmongers from the rest of us normal folks. I for one encourage the McCain voters to tell us who they are. Shows me how to separate the warmongers from the rest of us normal folks.

]]> By: Gyuss Baaltar http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93844 Gyuss Baaltar Wed, 07 May 2008 20:19:03 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93844 Would she count'em as 2/3 of a vote? Would she count’em as 2/3 of a vote?

]]> By: Steve LaBonne http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93843 Steve LaBonne Wed, 07 May 2008 20:17:26 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93843 Who cares what trolls are proud of? Let him crawl proudly back under his bridge. Who cares what trolls are proud of? Let him crawl proudly back under his bridge.

]]> By: SpiderJ http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93840 SpiderJ Wed, 07 May 2008 20:11:10 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93840 JK, since you're so proud to vote for McCain, I have to ask what it is you see in him. Is it his inability to commit to a position? Is it his notorious temper? Is it is unabashed love and support for the blundering decisions and executive power theories of George Bush? Is it his creative ability to turn a Beach Boys tune into a foreign policy statement? Encourage all you want. I have faith that more of us in the working class are able to see and hear what Obama actually says and is rather than what the pundit interpretation has been. Yeah, I'm not proud of our country either. I don't know how you can look at what has been committed in our name for the past eight years and still say you're "proud" of the country with a straight face. JK, since you’re so proud to vote for McCain, I have to ask what it is you see in him. Is it his inability to commit to a position? Is it his notorious temper? Is it is unabashed love and support for the blundering decisions and executive power theories of George Bush? Is it his creative ability to turn a Beach Boys tune into a foreign policy statement?

Encourage all you want. I have faith that more of us in the working class are able to see and hear what Obama actually says and is rather than what the pundit interpretation has been.

Yeah, I’m not proud of our country either. I don’t know how you can look at what has been committed in our name for the past eight years and still say you’re “proud” of the country with a straight face.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93839 Duros62 Wed, 07 May 2008 20:10:43 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93839 <i>For the first time, ever in my life, I can say *I’m* proud to vote GOP in 2008 Presidential election, and I strongly encourage other thinking, working class voters, white, black, or otherwise, to do the same.</i> <b>BWA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!</B> For the first time, ever in my life, I can say *I’m* proud to vote GOP in 2008 Presidential election, and I strongly encourage other thinking, working class voters, white, black, or otherwise, to do the same.

BWA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!

]]> By: JK http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93837 JK Wed, 07 May 2008 19:58:46 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93837 Well, it doesn't matter. When the presumptive Democratic nominee (Obama) can't win over working class white voters (like me) who have traditionally voted Democrat, then you might as well put a fork in the guy now. He lost me with Wright and his "bitter" comments, not to mention his elitist wife's offensive comments about "first time of being proud." But let's put that aside...his debate performances have been dismal. He was SMOKED by Clinton in nearly every important debate, and y'all know it. Who's voting for Obama, then? Well, all of the people who get that "warm and fuzzy" feeling, that "rise in their crotch" (Bill Richardson) every time they lay eyes on the guy. Funny, 4 years ago, he was the hope of the Democratic party. Now, in my view, he's just another empty suit with some VERY serious baggage. Would I have voted for Hillary over McCain? Almost certainly. For the first time, ever in my life, I can say *I'm* proud to vote GOP in 2008 Presidential election, and I strongly encourage other thinking, working class voters, white, black, or otherwise, to do the same. Jkstraw_01 Aka..."JK" McCain 2008 Well, it doesn’t matter. When the presumptive Democratic nominee (Obama) can’t win over working class white voters (like me) who have traditionally voted Democrat, then you might as well put a fork in the guy now.

He lost me with Wright and his “bitter” comments, not to mention his elitist wife’s offensive comments about “first time of being proud.”

But let’s put that aside…his debate performances have been dismal. He was SMOKED by Clinton in nearly every important debate, and y’all know it. Who’s voting for Obama, then? Well, all of the people who get that “warm and fuzzy” feeling, that “rise in their crotch” (Bill Richardson) every time they lay eyes on the guy.

Funny, 4 years ago, he was the hope of the Democratic party. Now, in my view, he’s just another empty suit with some VERY serious baggage. Would I have voted for Hillary over McCain? Almost certainly.

For the first time, ever in my life, I can say *I’m* proud to vote GOP in 2008 Presidential election, and I strongly encourage other thinking, working class voters, white, black, or otherwise, to do the same.

Jkstraw_01
Aka…”JK”

McCain 2008

]]> By: Steve LaBonne http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93831 Steve LaBonne Wed, 07 May 2008 19:40:40 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93831 On the other hand this might make you feel a bit better, even if it does come from, ugh, Drudge: <blockquote>CONGRESSIONAL SOURCE: Hillary having trouble finding superdelegates who will meet with her... 'No one wants to see her today'... Developing...</blockquote> On the other hand this might make you feel a bit better, even if it does come from, ugh, Drudge:

CONGRESSIONAL SOURCE: Hillary having trouble finding superdelegates who will meet with her… ‘No one wants to see her today’… Developing…

]]> By: Steve LaBonne http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93830 Steve LaBonne Wed, 07 May 2008 19:37:52 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/05/07/black-voters-dont-count/#comment-93830 If you really want to see insanity- and raw racism- head over to TalkLeft and read Armando's latest diatribe and the comments on it. Best have some Pepto-Bismol handy, though. If you really want to see insanity- and raw racism- head over to TalkLeft and read Armando’s latest diatribe and the comments on it. Best have some Pepto-Bismol handy, though.

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