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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93949</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 15:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wellstone?  Hello?  Wellstone?  (Is this thing on?)  Hello?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wellstone?  Hello?  Wellstone?  (Is this thing on?)  Hello?</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93742</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 03:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Wellstone...

She barely won Indiana and lost big in North Carolina. Now will you admit she&#039;d finished?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Wellstone&#8230;</p>
<p>She barely won Indiana and lost big in North Carolina. Now will you admit she&#8217;d finished?</p>
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		<title>By: buma</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93625</link>
		<dc:creator>buma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 05:12:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I called PA for Hillary double digits, and I came within .4% . . .&lt;/i&gt;

Yo, Wellstone--

I checked www.electionreturns.state.pa.us and found the following info:

CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM)  1,260,937 54.6% 
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM)  1,046,822 45.4% 

The difference is 9.278%, which is about .25 percent short of being able even to &lt;i&gt;round up&lt;/i&gt; to double digits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I called PA for Hillary double digits, and I came within .4% . . .</i></p>
<p>Yo, Wellstone&#8211;</p>
<p>I checked <a href="http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us" rel="nofollow">http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us</a> and found the following info:</p>
<p>CLINTON, HILLARY (DEM)  1,260,937 54.6%<br />
OBAMA, BARACK (DEM)  1,046,822 45.4% </p>
<p>The difference is 9.278%, which is about .25 percent short of being able even to <i>round up</i> to double digits.</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93612</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 02:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to hold you to that, Wellstone. If Obaba wins by more than 3% in North Carolina or loses by less than 8% in Indiana, you should admit it is over for Hillary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to hold you to that, Wellstone. If Obaba wins by more than 3% in North Carolina or loses by less than 8% in Indiana, you should admit it is over for Hillary.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93554</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nc/north_carolina_democratic_primary-275.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;RCP Average&lt;/a&gt; for NC; Obama by 7.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/in/indiana_democratic_primary-639.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Indina:&lt;/a&gt; Clinton by 5.3.

HUGE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/nc/north_carolina_democratic_primary-275.html" rel="nofollow">RCP Average</a> for NC; Obama by 7.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/in/indiana_democratic_primary-639.html" rel="nofollow">Indina:</a> Clinton by 5.3.</p>
<p>HUGE!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93547</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 20:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wellstone: &lt;i&gt;I gave the edge to Hillary, though, because I’m a Hillary guy!&lt;/i&gt;

Which sums up your position as you&#039;ve shown it here quite nicely, actually.  You&#039;re not for Hillary because of any policy or stance or position she has.  You&#039;re for Hillary because you&#039;re for Hillary.  QED.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wellstone: <i>I gave the edge to Hillary, though, because I’m a Hillary guy!</i></p>
<p>Which sums up your position as you&#8217;ve shown it here quite nicely, actually.  You&#8217;re not for Hillary because of any policy or stance or position she has.  You&#8217;re for Hillary because you&#8217;re for Hillary.  QED.</p>
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		<title>By: Enlightened Liberal</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93546</link>
		<dc:creator>Enlightened Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 19:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hillary has sensed a real chance to put Obama away here, and she has dialed up her effort from top to bottom as well.&quot;

Usually, someone has to be, you know, in the lead to have a chance to &quot;put someone away&quot;.  Jus&#039; sayin&#039;.

Waiting for the post-primary spin: Well, Hillary lost by 6 points, but she should have lost by 8 points so the delegates should go to Hillary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hillary has sensed a real chance to put Obama away here, and she has dialed up her effort from top to bottom as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>Usually, someone has to be, you know, in the lead to have a chance to &#8220;put someone away&#8221;.  Jus&#8217; sayin&#8217;.</p>
<p>Waiting for the post-primary spin: Well, Hillary lost by 6 points, but she should have lost by 8 points so the delegates should go to Hillary.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93536</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So you&#039;re saying a &lt;b&gt;loss&lt;/b&gt; of 52-47% would be a tie.

You realize that in primaries, there is no margin of error. Don&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you&#8217;re saying a <b>loss</b> of 52-47% would be a tie.</p>
<p>You realize that in primaries, there is no margin of error. Don&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93534</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6 points is huge? Wow, talk about lowered expectations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6 points is huge? Wow, talk about lowered expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: Wellstone</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93530</link>
		<dc:creator>Wellstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I called PA for Hillary double digits, and I came within .4%

I think huge for Hillary in Indiana, where she&#039;s been outspent in most of the media markets would be anything over 6 points.  I predict an 8-point win, 52-44.

I think a tie is within the margin of election error, 3%.  Most state election systems function well up to about about a 3% margin, where human error, machine and method differences, local partisan effects, weather, systems overload and failures, and optical-machine vs. paper ballots muddy things up.

NC, where the Obama campaign has been desperately trying to lower expectations because the bar has been set really high for them, would be a victory for Hillary if she can get to Margin of Error plus 2% difference, say a loss of only 52-47%.  Remember the Obama campaign has pulled out all the stops in both states, spending a lot of cash in media buys and scheduling event after event this weeknd and today for Obama, Michelle, even the daughters all over the state.

Hillary has sensed a real chance to put Obama away here, and she has dialed up her effort from top to bottom as well.

I watched the Jefferson-Jackson addresses in both states over the weekend and both looked great.  I gave the edge to Hillary, though, because I&#039;m a Hillary guy! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I called PA for Hillary double digits, and I came within .4%</p>
<p>I think huge for Hillary in Indiana, where she&#8217;s been outspent in most of the media markets would be anything over 6 points.  I predict an 8-point win, 52-44.</p>
<p>I think a tie is within the margin of election error, 3%.  Most state election systems function well up to about about a 3% margin, where human error, machine and method differences, local partisan effects, weather, systems overload and failures, and optical-machine vs. paper ballots muddy things up.</p>
<p>NC, where the Obama campaign has been desperately trying to lower expectations because the bar has been set really high for them, would be a victory for Hillary if she can get to Margin of Error plus 2% difference, say a loss of only 52-47%.  Remember the Obama campaign has pulled out all the stops in both states, spending a lot of cash in media buys and scheduling event after event this weeknd and today for Obama, Michelle, even the daughters all over the state.</p>
<p>Hillary has sensed a real chance to put Obama away here, and she has dialed up her effort from top to bottom as well.</p>
<p>I watched the Jefferson-Jackson addresses in both states over the weekend and both looked great.  I gave the edge to Hillary, though, because I&#8217;m a Hillary guy!</p>
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		<title>By: Enlightened Liberal</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93528</link>
		<dc:creator>Enlightened Liberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wellstone is so far gone it&#039;s despicable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wellstone is so far gone it&#8217;s despicable.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93520</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 16:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How big is big?&lt;/i&gt;

Clinton 52% Obama 49%

&lt;i&gt;How close would be a tie?&lt;/i&gt;

Obama 65% Clinton 30%

I mean, that&#039;s what it&#039;s been so far, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How big is big?</i></p>
<p>Clinton 52% Obama 49%</p>
<p><i>How close would be a tie?</i></p>
<p>Obama 65% Clinton 30%</p>
<p>I mean, that&#8217;s what it&#8217;s been so far, no?</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93512</link>
		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 13:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is there any evidence that Wright and &quot;Bittergate&quot; have had any effect on people who might actually have voted for Obama, or is it a phenomenon exclusive to people who were already publically in the tank for McCain or Hillary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is there any evidence that Wright and &#8220;Bittergate&#8221; have had any effect on people who might actually have voted for Obama, or is it a phenomenon exclusive to people who were already publically in the tank for McCain or Hillary?</p>
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		<title>By: C.S.Strowbridge</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93511</link>
		<dc:creator>C.S.Strowbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 13:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;B&gt;WELSTONE!&lt;/B&gt;

You said this, &quot;Hillary wins Indiana big, she ties in NC...&quot;

Now is your last chance to give us numbers. How big is big? How close would be a tie? How big does Obama have to in North Carolina before you admit he&#039;s won? How close does he have to come in Indiana before you admit it&#039;s over? 

This is your last chance to seem rational. Give us real numbers and stick with your convictions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>WELSTONE!</b></p>
<p>You said this, &#8220;Hillary wins Indiana big, she ties in NC&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Now is your last chance to give us numbers. How big is big? How close would be a tie? How big does Obama have to in North Carolina before you admit he&#8217;s won? How close does he have to come in Indiana before you admit it&#8217;s over? </p>
<p>This is your last chance to seem rational. Give us real numbers and stick with your convictions.</p>
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		<title>By: mambochicken23</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93499</link>
		<dc:creator>mambochicken23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 07:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dammit, let&#039;s try that again...

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/22/opinion/polls/main965223.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What Americans think of evolution&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dammit, let&#8217;s try that again&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/22/opinion/polls/main965223.shtml" rel="nofollow">What Americans think of evolution</a></p>
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		<title>By: mambochicken23</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93498</link>
		<dc:creator>mambochicken23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 07:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, people are very distrusting of evolutionary theory&lt;/a&gt;

Gross.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, people are very distrusting of evolutionary theory</p>
<p>Gross.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93474</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 01:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mambochicken: &lt;i&gt;Or that evolutionary theory is so distrusted by so many Americans? Or that millions of people don’t believe in global warming despite the preponderance of scientific research indicating otherwise?&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m not sure that&#039;s true.  (Without taking the time to find links to them, of course) I think that there is evidence to show that most Americans do believe global warming is a problem and evolution is valid science.  They just aren&#039;t the ones making the noise and getting headlines.

It&#039;s like something I did see just the other day.  It&#039;s reported that 80% of people are opposed to flag burning.  Yikes!  But when you really drill into the poll question asked?  Turns less than half of them are very or strongly concerned, and less than 12% say it would affect their vote.  Twelve may still be a notable number, but it&#039;s a far way from 80, or even most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mambochicken: <i>Or that evolutionary theory is so distrusted by so many Americans? Or that millions of people don’t believe in global warming despite the preponderance of scientific research indicating otherwise?</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure that&#8217;s true.  (Without taking the time to find links to them, of course) I think that there is evidence to show that most Americans do believe global warming is a problem and evolution is valid science.  They just aren&#8217;t the ones making the noise and getting headlines.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like something I did see just the other day.  It&#8217;s reported that 80% of people are opposed to flag burning.  Yikes!  But when you really drill into the poll question asked?  Turns less than half of them are very or strongly concerned, and less than 12% say it would affect their vote.  Twelve may still be a notable number, but it&#8217;s a far way from 80, or even most.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93472</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 01:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wellstone: &lt;i&gt;And I think whatever your judgment or evaluation of mine and her arguments, they certainly merit consideration in maybe the most important Election in many .many years.&lt;/i&gt;

And just what consideration have you demonstrated towards anything non-Hillary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wellstone: <i>And I think whatever your judgment or evaluation of mine and her arguments, they certainly merit consideration in maybe the most important Election in many .many years.</i></p>
<p>And just what consideration have you demonstrated towards anything non-Hillary?</p>
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		<title>By: mambochicken23</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93468</link>
		<dc:creator>mambochicken23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 01:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zython: &quot;I do, because I don’t believe that Americans are innately stupid, unlike you.&quot;

Actually, FWIW, I disagree with you, Zython.  I think that Americans are idiots.  And this belief makes me really unhappy.  How else do you explain Bush&#039;s re-election in 2004, or that the Rev. Wright bullshit and flag pin &quot;issue&quot; have hurt Obama?  Or that evolutionary theory is so distrusted by so many Americans?  Or that millions of people don&#039;t believe in global warming despite the preponderance of scientific research indicating otherwise?  

People are idiots.  I just hope that they luck into the right choice in this presidential race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zython: &#8220;I do, because I don’t believe that Americans are innately stupid, unlike you.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, FWIW, I disagree with you, Zython.  I think that Americans are idiots.  And this belief makes me really unhappy.  How else do you explain Bush&#8217;s re-election in 2004, or that the Rev. Wright bullshit and flag pin &#8220;issue&#8221; have hurt Obama?  Or that evolutionary theory is so distrusted by so many Americans?  Or that millions of people don&#8217;t believe in global warming despite the preponderance of scientific research indicating otherwise?  </p>
<p>People are idiots.  I just hope that they luck into the right choice in this presidential race.</p>
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		<title>By: Duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/05/03/the-hillary-clinton-fairy-tale/#comment-93422</link>
		<dc:creator>Duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 04:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only do I think MI, VA and SC would vote the same way, I think the margin for Obama would be greater.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only do I think MI, VA and SC would vote the same way, I think the margin for Obama would be greater.</p>
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