Comments on: Tony Snow Joins CNN, Remember The Media Is Liberal http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:30:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91961 Duros62 Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:34:52 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91961 <i>he is immediately tagged “CONSERVATIVE! CONSERVATIVE!” in the same font and typestyle one would normally use to label Nuclear Waste. However, when CNN hires James Carville, Paul Begala, David Gergen, Jeff Greefield, or Jeff Toobin, they are merely labeled “Pundits”. </i> When "bagfull of assholes" would have been just as good. he is immediately tagged “CONSERVATIVE! CONSERVATIVE!” in the same font and typestyle one would normally use to label Nuclear Waste. However, when CNN hires James Carville, Paul Begala, David Gergen, Jeff Greefield, or Jeff Toobin, they are merely labeled “Pundits”.

When “bagfull of assholes” would have been just as good.

]]> By: Sean D. Martin http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91955 Sean D. Martin Tue, 22 Apr 2008 19:00:59 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91955 SaveFarris: <i>However, when CNN hires James Carville, Paul Begala, David Gergen, Jeff Greefield, or Jeff Toobin, they are merely labeled “Pundits”.</i> Can you find a link to the press release or whatever where they made any of these announcements? Or are you just sayin', without support to back it up? Cause for Bergala and Carville I quickly found <a href="http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/02/27/crossfire.lineup/index.html" rel="nofollow">this</a> on CNN's own site: "<b>Liberal</b> stalwarts James Carville and Paul Begala, key players in Bill Clinton's rise to the presidency in 1992, were named Wednesday as new co-hosts of CNN's revamped version of "Crossfire."" [emphasis added] SaveFarris: However, when CNN hires James Carville, Paul Begala, David Gergen, Jeff Greefield, or Jeff Toobin, they are merely labeled “Pundits”.

Can you find a link to the press release or whatever where they made any of these announcements? Or are you just sayin’, without support to back it up?

Cause for Bergala and Carville I quickly found this on CNN’s own site: “Liberal stalwarts James Carville and Paul Begala, key players in Bill Clinton’s rise to the presidency in 1992, were named Wednesday as new co-hosts of CNN’s revamped version of “Crossfire.”" [emphasis added]

]]> By: Zython http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91934 Zython Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:16:49 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91934 <i>However, when CNN hires James Carville, Paul Begala, David Gergen, Jeff Greefield, or Jeff Toobin, they are merely labeled “Pundits”.</i> Prove it. Just...prove it. However, when CNN hires James Carville, Paul Begala, David Gergen, Jeff Greefield, or Jeff Toobin, they are merely labeled “Pundits”.

Prove it. Just…prove it.

]]> By: Enlightened Liberal http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91912 Enlightened Liberal Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:24:48 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91912 Good point farris, after 7 years of a conservative president the proper label for a conservative is nuclear waste. Good point farris, after 7 years of a conservative president the proper label for a conservative is nuclear waste.

]]> By: SaveFarris http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91910 SaveFarris Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:43:11 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91910 Lemme boil it down for all those missing the point: When Tony Snow gets hired, he is immediately tagged "CONSERVATIVE! CONSERVATIVE!" in the same font and typestyle one would normally use to label Nuclear Waste. However, when CNN hires James Carville, Paul Begala, David Gergen, Jeff Greefield, or Jeff Toobin, they are merely labeled "Pundits". THAT's the difference. Lemme boil it down for all those missing the point: When Tony Snow gets hired, he is immediately tagged “CONSERVATIVE! CONSERVATIVE!” in the same font and typestyle one would normally use to label Nuclear Waste. However, when CNN hires James Carville, Paul Begala, David Gergen, Jeff Greefield, or Jeff Toobin, they are merely labeled “Pundits”.

THAT’s the difference.

]]> By: Jay http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91908 Jay Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:29:48 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91908 How many people watch CNN at any given time? Or Fox for that matter? If I'm not mistaken for both channels, it's less than what, 2 million people during prime time? I still don't understand why people think these channels have that much influence over the general public when only a small sliver of the voting populace is even watching. How many people watch CNN at any given time? Or Fox for that matter?

If I’m not mistaken for both channels, it’s less than what, 2 million people during prime time? I still don’t understand why people think these channels have that much influence over the general public when only a small sliver of the voting populace is even watching.

]]> By: Sean D. Martin http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91843 Sean D. Martin Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:38:56 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91843 <b>Now</b> that is a reasonable question... Now that is a reasonable question…

]]> By: Sean D. Martin http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91839 Sean D. Martin Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:16:17 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91839 <i>Do they label all their on-air personalities as conservative or liberal?</i> Not that is a reasonable question. Or, more relevant to the current issue, whether they label them when announcing they have been hired. If they don't, THEN you'd have something worth commenting on. Do they label all their on-air personalities as conservative or liberal?

Not that is a reasonable question. Or, more relevant to the current issue, whether they label them when announcing they have been hired. If they don’t, THEN you’d have something worth commenting on.

]]> By: Scratch http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91835 Scratch Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:02:48 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91835 To be honest, I don't watch CNN much anymore, preferring to spend time on the liberal Fox News Network with Colmes and Estrich. To be honest, I don’t watch CNN much anymore, preferring to spend time on the liberal Fox News Network with Colmes and Estrich.

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91832 Duros62 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:55:43 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91832 In light of the fact it's Tony Snow, the whole concept of pigeonholing him as a "conservative commentator" is sort of redundant anyway, dontcha think? I mean, we've all got a pretty good idea which side of the fence he's on by now, yes? In light of the fact it’s Tony Snow, the whole concept of pigeonholing him as a “conservative commentator” is sort of redundant anyway, dontcha think? I mean, we’ve all got a pretty good idea which side of the fence he’s on by now, yes?

]]> By: Scratch http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91830 Scratch Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:50:41 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91830 Hi Megamoze... I didn't say that hiring a conservative commentator made them liberal. I suggested that issuing a press release describing their new hire as a "conservative commentator" suggested that they were more liberal than conservative. Do they label all their on-air personalities as conservative or liberal? Hi Megamoze…

I didn’t say that hiring a conservative commentator made them liberal. I suggested that issuing a press release describing their new hire as a “conservative commentator” suggested that they were more liberal than conservative. Do they label all their on-air personalities as conservative or liberal?

]]> By: Sean D. Martin http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91829 Sean D. Martin Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:50:24 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91829 Scratch: <i>I am suggesting that a network who hires a conservative commentator and issues a press release announcing “we have hired a conservative commentator” is probably more liberal than conservative.</i> How should they have worded it? "We're hiring a commentator but we're not going to tell you what type he is."?? Had they described him as "tall" or "blond" or "male" that would have been irrelevant since it none of those have anything to do with what he's going to be commenting on. But to say he's conservative given he's hired to give political views simply makes sense. To suggest this is somehow trumpeting his conservativeness in an effort to compensate for a liberal view by the network ("Hey, we're not liberal. See we hired a token conservative!") doesn't. Scratch: I am suggesting that a network who hires a conservative commentator and issues a press release announcing “we have hired a conservative commentator” is probably more liberal than conservative.

How should they have worded it? “We’re hiring a commentator but we’re not going to tell you what type he is.”??

Had they described him as “tall” or “blond” or “male” that would have been irrelevant since it none of those have anything to do with what he’s going to be commenting on. But to say he’s conservative given he’s hired to give political views simply makes sense.

To suggest this is somehow trumpeting his conservativeness in an effort to compensate for a liberal view by the network (“Hey, we’re not liberal. See we hired a token conservative!”) doesn’t.

]]> By: megamoze http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91824 megamoze Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:40:51 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91824 "Hmmm…it’s a fairly straightforward argument. I don’t think I’m the dense one in the room." If hiring a conservative commentator proves they're liberal, and hiring liberal commentators proves they're liberal, then could ANYTHING ever prove to you that they aren't liberal? “Hmmm…it’s a fairly straightforward argument. I don’t think I’m the dense one in the room.”

If hiring a conservative commentator proves they’re liberal, and hiring liberal commentators proves they’re liberal, then could ANYTHING ever prove to you that they aren’t liberal?

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91823 Duros62 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:40:20 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91823 Clearly, it's a billboard for FOX viewers to jump ship. as in "Look, we got batshit st00pid over here, too! Glenn Beck! Nancy Grace! Tony freakin' Snow!" Clearly, it’s a billboard for FOX viewers to jump ship. as in “Look, we got batshit st00pid over here, too! Glenn Beck! Nancy Grace! Tony freakin’ Snow!”

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91822 Duros62 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:38:51 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91822 Don't sell yourself short, scratchy. Yes you are. Don’t sell yourself short, scratchy. Yes you are.

]]> By: Scratch http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91820 Scratch Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:35:11 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91820 Hmmm...it's a fairly straightforward argument. I don't think I'm the dense one in the room. Hmmm…it’s a fairly straightforward argument. I don’t think I’m the dense one in the room.

]]> By: durablend http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91818 durablend Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:18:28 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91818 "I am suggesting that a network who hires a conservative commentator and issues a press release announcing “we have hired a conservative commentator” is probably more liberal than conservative." You CAN'T be this dense “I am suggesting that a network who hires a conservative commentator and issues a press release announcing “we have hired a conservative commentator” is probably more liberal than conservative.”

You CAN’T be this dense

]]> By: Scratch http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91817 Scratch Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:09:50 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91817 Hi Sean... I am suggesting that a network who hires a conservative commentator and issues a press release announcing "we have hired a conservative commentator" is probably more liberal than conservative. By your an Oliver's logic, I guess I can proclaim that Fox News is liberal because they hired Alan Colmes (aside: his website is alan.com! Dude was on the BALL!) Hi Sean…

I am suggesting that a network who hires a conservative commentator and issues a press release announcing “we have hired a conservative commentator” is probably more liberal than conservative.

By your an Oliver’s logic, I guess I can proclaim that Fox News is liberal because they hired Alan Colmes (aside: his website is alan.com! Dude was on the BALL!)

]]> By: Sean D. Martin http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91816 Sean D. Martin Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:02:03 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91816 Scratch, huh? They add a conservative commentator and you suggest that actually shows they are liberal? Welcome to Bizarro world. Scratch, huh?

They add a conservative commentator and you suggest that actually shows they are liberal?

Welcome to Bizarro world.

]]> By: Scratch http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91809 Scratch Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:37:05 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/21/tony-snow-joins-cnn-remember-the-media-is-liberal/#comment-91809 Oliver, it doesn't mean anything to you that they feel compelled to identify him as a "conservative commentator?" I would say that tends to discredit rather than support your claim that CNN isn't liberal. Oliver, it doesn’t mean anything to you that they feel compelled to identify him as a “conservative commentator?” I would say that tends to discredit rather than support your claim that CNN isn’t liberal.

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