Comments on: And If I Was Six Inches Taller, Had Abs Of Steel And Looked Like Denzel Washington I Would Be Jessica Alba’s Baby Daddy. But I’m Not. http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Mon, 23 Nov 2009 03:22:39 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Peter Beinart Steals My Thunder | Comments from Left Field http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90285 Peter Beinart Steals My Thunder | Comments from Left Field Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:26:14 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90285 [...] Oliver Willis has it dead to rights: That is how it is. Nobody forced Sen. Clinton to design her campaign for a Super Tuesday splash where she would have the nomination wrapped up for the anointed one by early February. She has name recognition on par with Jesus and a campaign war chest ranking among the largest in history. Yet just like the sort of thinking we have come to identify with the Bush administration she failed to reconcile her fanciful plans with the facts on the ground. The Obama folks didn’t rely on stovepiped intelligence delivered to them by a sympathetic lackey, instead they read the intelligence reports and made the right decision. [...] [...] Oliver Willis has it dead to rights: That is how it is. Nobody forced Sen. Clinton to design her campaign for a Super Tuesday splash where she would have the nomination wrapped up for the anointed one by early February. She has name recognition on par with Jesus and a campaign war chest ranking among the largest in history. Yet just like the sort of thinking we have come to identify with the Bush administration she failed to reconcile her fanciful plans with the facts on the ground. The Obama folks didn’t rely on stovepiped intelligence delivered to them by a sympathetic lackey, instead they read the intelligence reports and made the right decision. [...]

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90265 Quaker in a Basement Tue, 08 Apr 2008 22:40:41 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90265 Then you might have noticed that Mr. Chait addresses his complaint about Mr. Wilentz's article to the author, not to Ms. Clinton. Then you might have noticed that Mr. Chait addresses his complaint about Mr. Wilentz’s article to the author, not to Ms. Clinton.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90258 Oliver Willis Tue, 08 Apr 2008 21:41:25 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90258 I linked to Chait's post in mine. 15 hours ago. I linked to Chait’s post in mine. 15 hours ago.

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90246 Quaker in a Basement Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:16:40 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90246 Good link, eagle. That's how it's done! Good link, eagle. That’s how it’s done!

]]> By: eagleye http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90244 eagleye Tue, 08 Apr 2008 20:09:19 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90244 http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/04/07/if-my-grandmother-had-wheels-clinton-would-be-winning.aspx Oliver, If you haven't seen it, you might enjoy Jon Chait's response to Wilentz.... http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_plank/archive/2008/04/07/if-my-grandmother-had-wheels-clinton-would-be-winning.aspx

Oliver,

If you haven’t seen it, you might enjoy Jon Chait’s response to Wilentz….

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90241 Duros62 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:06:19 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90241 Does anyone know what happened to his proposal to split Michigan's delegates 50-50? I never heard any response. Does anyone know what happened to his proposal to split Michigan’s delegates 50-50? I never heard any response.

]]> By: mambochicken23 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90239 mambochicken23 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 18:59:12 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90239 Where's Wellstone in this mix? This argument, like all the pro-Clinton arguments before it, is worth less than the combined cost of the individual pixels that it is comprised of on my cheap-ass computer monitor. I think that all this grasping at straws only serves to increase Obama's relative appeal. He has consistently been the cool, collected one on the campaign trail. He looks and acts presidential. She, and her cronies, look ruffled, scared, desperate. It's no longer amusing to me though. I would like Obama to give a speech and address the absurdity of all the arguments that Clinton should have the nomination. Really, I think it would be great if he basically just pointed out the idiocy of these arguments and have a good, public laugh at her expense. Where’s Wellstone in this mix?

This argument, like all the pro-Clinton arguments before it, is worth less than the combined cost of the individual pixels that it is comprised of on my cheap-ass computer monitor.

I think that all this grasping at straws only serves to increase Obama’s relative appeal. He has consistently been the cool, collected one on the campaign trail. He looks and acts presidential. She, and her cronies, look ruffled, scared, desperate. It’s no longer amusing to me though.

I would like Obama to give a speech and address the absurdity of all the arguments that Clinton should have the nomination. Really, I think it would be great if he basically just pointed out the idiocy of these arguments and have a good, public laugh at her expense.

]]> By: SpiderJ http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90213 SpiderJ Tue, 08 Apr 2008 17:16:53 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90213 Didn't we already get a version of Wilentz' argument when Big Dog made comments to the effect that his wife would be considered ahead if only it weren't for all those caucuses? It amounts, as always, to the same thing...if the rules were different, Clinton would already be the nominee. I'm sure that the Alternate Hillary Clinton in Earth-2676, where the Wilentz rules are fact, is enjoying a comfortable lead and is preparing to dance all over the dreams of Republican nominee Alternate Mitt Romney. Too bad for our Hillary Clinton, however, that she exists here. Didn’t we already get a version of Wilentz’ argument when Big Dog made comments to the effect that his wife would be considered ahead if only it weren’t for all those caucuses?

It amounts, as always, to the same thing…if the rules were different, Clinton would already be the nominee.

I’m sure that the Alternate Hillary Clinton in Earth-2676, where the Wilentz rules are fact, is enjoying a comfortable lead and is preparing to dance all over the dreams of Republican nominee Alternate Mitt Romney. Too bad for our Hillary Clinton, however, that she exists here.

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90205 Quaker in a Basement Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:42:05 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90205 <em>"You don’t think Wilentz’s argument is likely to be soon repurposed as a Clinton argument?"</em> I have no idea. Did you intend a preemptive strike when you attributed Wilentz' argument to the Senator? “You don’t think Wilentz’s argument is likely to be soon repurposed as a Clinton argument?”

I have no idea. Did you intend a preemptive strike when you attributed Wilentz’ argument to the Senator?

]]> By: Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90198 Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:19:14 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90198 Scratch: Who said they were any different? Would Hillary govern any different from how Bill did? Doubt it. She is a DLC member too, after all. She voted for the Iraq War(and Bill would have too, until he realized that was the wrong answer). Scratch:
Who said they were any different? Would Hillary govern any different from how Bill did? Doubt it. She is a DLC member too, after all. She voted for the Iraq War(and Bill would have too, until he realized that was the wrong answer).

]]> By: Duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90186 Duros62 Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:44:10 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90186 <i>Just as Democrats think of McCain et al as just more Bush, so do Republicans think of Hillary as just more Clinton.</i> Nailed it. God, I am loathe to say this, but I agree with Jay Tea AND Scratch. Armageddon is at hand, surely. Just as Democrats think of McCain et al as just more Bush, so do Republicans think of Hillary as just more Clinton.

Nailed it.

God, I am loathe to say this, but I agree with Jay Tea AND Scratch.
Armageddon is at hand, surely.

]]> By: Oliver Willis http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90181 Oliver Willis Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:31:54 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90181 You don't think Wilentz's argument is likely to be soon repurposed as a Clinton argument? You don’t think Wilentz’s argument is likely to be soon repurposed as a Clinton argument?

]]> By: Quaker in a Basement http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90180 Quaker in a Basement Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:22:23 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90180 <em>"Senator, this is not Calvinball."</em> <em>"Clinton’s argument seems to boil down to “we had every opportunity to learn the rules of the contest beforehand,"</em> Sean Wilentz. Hillary Clinton. It's hard to see how you might have confused these two. They're not spelled at all similarly. Now if you want to argue that Mr. Wilentz is acting as a Clinton mouthpiece, go right ahead. As yet, though, you've merely taken the words of one and put them in the mouth of the other. “Senator, this is not Calvinball.”
“Clinton’s argument seems to boil down to “we had every opportunity to learn the rules of the contest beforehand,”

Sean Wilentz.
Hillary Clinton.

It’s hard to see how you might have confused these two. They’re not spelled at all similarly.

Now if you want to argue that Mr. Wilentz is acting as a Clinton mouthpiece, go right ahead. As yet, though, you’ve merely taken the words of one and put them in the mouth of the other.

]]> By: jr http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90173 jr Tue, 08 Apr 2008 14:23:23 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90173 Dear Bartcop, Taylor Marsh and Larry Johnson, Thank you for all your good work on the Obama matter. You're the greatest gift to the Republican Party since the Southern Strategy. Yours in Christ, John McCain Dear Bartcop, Taylor Marsh and Larry Johnson,
Thank you for all your good work on the Obama matter. You’re the greatest gift to the Republican Party since the Southern Strategy.
Yours in Christ,
John McCain

]]> By: Scratch http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90171 Scratch Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:26:34 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90171 Calvin... Just as Democrats think of McCain et al as just more Bush, so do Republicans think of Hillary as just more Clinton. Plus, I am turned off by the apparent sense of entitlement in this election. I am really, REALLY enjoying seeing her on the ropes. Calvin…

Just as Democrats think of McCain et al as just more Bush, so do Republicans think of Hillary as just more Clinton.

Plus, I am turned off by the apparent sense of entitlement in this election. I am really, REALLY enjoying seeing her on the ropes.

]]> By: Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90168 Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:23:06 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90168 Scratch: Why do you think the Republicans really want to run against Clinton? You nailed it. For what ever stupid reason the wingnutters have a deep hate of the Clintons. I don't know why, as they are basically Republican-lite on many things. My guess is that it's due to Bush I and II being disasters. They are jealous of his(relatively speaking) success. Scratch:
Why do you think the Republicans really want to run against Clinton? You nailed it. For what ever stupid reason the wingnutters have a deep hate of the Clintons. I don’t know why, as they are basically Republican-lite on many things. My guess is that it’s due to Bush I and II being disasters. They are jealous of his(relatively speaking) success.

]]> By: Scratch http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90165 Scratch Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:12:07 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90165 I really don't understand this comparison of Clinton's performance against Obama in various areas to Clinton's presumed performance against McCain in those same areas come November. This argument is another version of that. But the fact is, it's a totally different constituency. The primary is democrats voting against democrats to choose who they want on the ticket in November. Once they HAVE that name, I guarantee they will develop new feelings for the candidate when the only choice is between him/her and McCain. I believe that one major piece of the equation that the Clinton people are trying to ignore is that Republicans will come out of the woodwork to vote against Clinton, whereas they will not feel the same animosity toward Obama. Just my opinion. I really don’t understand this comparison of Clinton’s performance against Obama in various areas to Clinton’s presumed performance against McCain in those same areas come November. This argument is another version of that. But the fact is, it’s a totally different constituency. The primary is democrats voting against democrats to choose who they want on the ticket in November. Once they HAVE that name, I guarantee they will develop new feelings for the candidate when the only choice is between him/her and McCain.

I believe that one major piece of the equation that the Clinton people are trying to ignore is that Republicans will come out of the woodwork to vote against Clinton, whereas they will not feel the same animosity toward Obama. Just my opinion.

]]> By: midderpidge http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90163 midderpidge Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:53:29 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90163 That's just what we need, California picking the nominee. That’s just what we need, California picking the nominee.

]]> By: thereseprieur http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90161 thereseprieur Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:47:03 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90161 EVER HEARD OF "WANTING HER CAKE AND EAT IT TOO" more seriously she was indeed the dem contender of 2007 , what was not expected was that an unknown candidate would turn out to be a more likeable, more interesting, more saleable than her. She was expecting a coronation because she was once a FIRST LADY , the DNC theer is largely responsible for her disappointment which is legitimate. She was told to be the "for sure nominee" , but Bill Clinton got her only as far as the candidate to the primary , his know-how does not extend as making actually people vote for her. I am not saying she is a serious candidate and a worthy one to boot, I am just saying she was led to believe by people who should have known better that at the end the decision is made by WE THE PEOPLE and not by a former Pres. and his cronies. She thought she could make it and discovers being an ex-first lady does not mean she got it made. And this has nothing to do by being a woman, it has to do to get selected there are rules one has to follow wheter he/she is a man/woman white/black. the rules are gender and colour blind. And a lot of people missed that very essential point. "Respect the rules , that is Real Change" EVER HEARD OF
“WANTING HER CAKE AND EAT IT TOO”
more seriously she was indeed the dem contender of 2007 , what was not expected was that an unknown candidate would turn out to be a more likeable, more interesting, more saleable than her. She was expecting a coronation because she was once a FIRST LADY , the DNC theer is largely responsible for her disappointment which is legitimate. She was told to be the “for sure nominee” , but Bill Clinton got her only as far as the candidate to the primary , his know-how does not extend as making actually people vote for her. I am not saying she is a serious candidate and a worthy one to boot, I am just saying she was led to believe by people who should have known better that at the end the decision is made by WE THE PEOPLE and not by a former Pres. and his cronies. She thought she could make it and discovers being an ex-first lady does not mean she got it made. And this has nothing to do by being a woman, it has to do to get selected there are rules one has to follow wheter he/she is a man/woman white/black. the rules are gender and colour blind. And a lot of people missed that very essential point. “Respect the rules , that is Real Change”

]]> By: Mike in Iowa http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90158 Mike in Iowa Tue, 08 Apr 2008 12:12:24 +0000 http://www.oliverwillis.com/index.php/2008/04/08/and-if-i-was-six-inches-taller-had-abs-of-steel-and-looked-like-denzel-washington-i-would-be-jessica-albas-baby-daddy-but-im-not/#comment-90158 Their argument also ignores that Obama would have run his campaign differently if it was winner take all. Rather than spending the time to run up victories by double digit margins in states he knew he would win, he would have put more time into states that were essentially a draw. As it is, keeping a contest close in a big state but winning big in a small state netted him more delegates and the lead. Where oh where were the Clinton's when this calendar and its rules were negotiated and announced years ago? Oh that's right, they were involved, directly, in writing them and approved them. Essentially she wants to both set the rules of the game, and then change them after the fact if she doesn't win. Also, her lead even under the winner-take-all after the fact rule change they want to assert is slim at best, as if you count Texas for Obama, he is ahead. Their argument also ignores that Obama would have run his campaign differently if it was winner take all. Rather than spending the time to run up victories by double digit margins in states he knew he would win, he would have put more time into states that were essentially a draw. As it is, keeping a contest close in a big state but winning big in a small state netted him more delegates and the lead. Where oh where were the Clinton’s when this calendar and its rules were negotiated and announced years ago? Oh that’s right, they were involved, directly, in writing them and approved them. Essentially she wants to both set the rules of the game, and then change them after the fact if she doesn’t win. Also, her lead even under the winner-take-all after the fact rule change they want to assert is slim at best, as if you count Texas for Obama, he is ahead.

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