The Definite Article

2:16 pm EST March 27th, 2008 | News | 20 Comments

Sen. Obama, from an interview with CNBC’s Maria Bartiromo.

Well, look, there’s no doubt that anything I do is going to be premised on what the economic situation is when I take office. I’m going to be sworn in in January, we don’t know what the economy’s going to look like at that point.

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20 Responses to “The Definite Article”

  1. Wellstone says:
    March 27, 2008 at 2:21 pm

    Hubris.

  2. Oliver Willis says:
    March 27, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    Hypocrite.

    HRC

    And, when I am President, I will work to reverse the damage of the eight years of George Bush and I will restore the pride and progress in America that should be our birthright. That is who America is. We want to be proud again. We want to be progressive again and we will, when I am president.

  3. SpiderJ says:
    March 27, 2008 at 2:32 pm

    I saw that exchange happening before I even clicked on the comments.

    Nice bait, Oliver. I didn’t think Wellstone would go for it.

  4. Sean D. Martin says:
    March 27, 2008 at 2:38 pm

    So how long before someone attacks Obama for not sticking with the economic plan he has now?

    I mean, look at the flack he took for wanting to adjust any military plan once he sees what the situation is after he takes office.

  5. Duros62 says:
    March 27, 2008 at 2:51 pm

    Hubris? You say that like it’s a bad thing.

  6. SpiderJ says:
    March 27, 2008 at 3:22 pm

    Well…Sean…yes it is. “Hubris,” you may recall, is what led to Rummy’s idealized vision of a cheap war and occupation.

  7. Sean D. Martin says:
    March 27, 2008 at 3:25 pm

    Oh, god. I’m Duros now.

    LOL

  8. Duros62 says:
    March 27, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Oh, god. I’m Duros now.

    You say that like it’s a bad thing. :-)

    “Hubris,” you may recall, is what led to Rummy’s idealized vision of a cheap war and occupation.

    Well, sure, that’s what happens when you give hubris to the mentally challenged. It’s just like any other tool; you gotta read the fucking manual.

  9. ed says:
    March 27, 2008 at 5:01 pm

    And contrast that with what the dumbass currently in the White House said in 2000:
    “Tax Cuts good…because we have such a large surplus”
    then
    “Tax Cuts good…because the surplus is shrinking”
    then
    “Tax Cuts good…because we’re head for troubling economic times, and we need the stimulus.”

    No matter what, Tax Cuts good. Obama sounds more like an adult.

  10. durablend says:
    March 27, 2008 at 5:50 pm

    Man my head feels like it’s going to explode after reading all the dead enders who posted comments over there. How anyone can still thing GWB is the greatest man to walk the earth I’ll never understand.

  11. duros62 says:
    March 27, 2008 at 6:22 pm

    He has said, and he told me today, that he won’t go above 28 percent. So we are talking about the possibility of a doubling in the capital gains tax. He was averaging at about 25 percent.”

    Wha? How does going from 15% to 25% equal double?

  12. SaveFarris says:
    March 28, 2008 at 8:27 am

    How anyone can still thing GWB is the greatest man to walk the earth I’ll never understand.

    Uh… because they don’t? Believe it or not, there actually *IS* a middle ground between Jesus and Hitler.

  13. SpiderJ says:
    March 28, 2008 at 9:43 am

    durablend is being hyperbolic. But many of GWB’s 28-percenters do at least consider him the Bestest American President Evar (and of those who are still on the fence, he stands only below Ronald Reagan).

    Which is crap.

  14. Wellstone says:
    March 28, 2008 at 2:59 pm

    Hubris: Definition

    From Greek tragedy, that quality of prideful arrogance, of challenging the Gods, that leads to a protagonist’s downfall.

    I have no idea what fevered cult trance Ollie’s in, his “hypocrite” post makes no sense whatsoever.

    HRC: WHEN I AM ELECTED PRESIDENT

    OBAMA: I’M GOING TO BE SWORN IN IN JANUARY.

    I think those two ways of making that statement are very different, don’t you?

  15. Sean D. Martin says:
    March 28, 2008 at 3:42 pm

    No. Not really at all.

  16. Sean D. Martin says:
    March 28, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    Seriously, Wellstone. When Oliver makes a posting noting Obama’s saying “when I take office” and you reply only with “Hubris”, I think it fair to assume you mean he’s showing prideful arrogance in assuming he will be president. And if he’s showing arrogance with his assumption he will be president, then so is she (“when I am president”, not “if”). A minor difference in phrasing doesn’t make any difference in teh assumption being made.

    If he’s showing arrogance and hubris, and deserves to be criticized for it, then so is she.

    If you meant something different, you’ll have to provide more than a one word comment.

  17. Duros62 says:
    March 28, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    Yeah, no, I don’t see the qualitative difference of those two statements.

  18. Oliver Willis says:
    March 28, 2008 at 5:32 pm

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  19. mambochicken23 says:
    March 28, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Mmm… delicious pretzel logic. Drool…

    And no, there’s no difference between those statements… nor do I think that either of them should be criticized for those sorts of statements. Presidential candidates have spoken this way forever, this is nothing new.

    ‘Course, that acknowledgment brings into question the point of OW posting on it in the first place, but that’s a whole ‘nuther point.

  20. fafaroo says:
    March 28, 2008 at 7:33 pm

    Never again should a presidential candidate be introduced to a crowd as “the next president of the united states” lest they be accused of hubris. Sheesh. Nitpick much, Wellstone?