I agree with duros that you’ve forgotten who was in office when the VRWC really ramped up. You’re blinded by Obamahate.

Okay, why, exactly? How does any of this make her a “better choice?”
You don’t think the fRightwingers have a gold mine of vitriol against Clinton when the time comes? You don’t think we’ll be living in the ’90’s all over again? You don’t think Gennifer Flowers and Susan MacDougal and Whitewater, “Travelgate”, Vince Foster and all the rest won’t suddenly re-emerge like Zombie Batman? The GOP is gonna play nice with the nice lady but not with the nice colored boy?

Gimme a break.

This issue will absolutely plague, hamstring, and maybe cripple Obama in a General.

It’s odious, it’s despicable, but there it is. It wil be played up to the NewsMax by the Right, they know they have an absolute gold mine of vitriol and racism and anti-Lib’rulism and hate, and that is what they know how to mine the best.

Comparing what Wright said to what Hagee and other Christians conservatives said is pure bullshit.

The ‘Chickens are coming home to roost.’ quote wasn’t from Wright, Wright was just quoting a fucking expert. The CIA itself calls 9/11 blowback.

The CIA has been involved in the drug trade. (Or do you not remember Noriega? In which case you are in the same group as Oliver North, Ronald Regan, etc.) And Oliver already posted the information about syphilis.

On the other hand, if you think the Catholic church is the Great Whore of Babylon as written about in the Bible, then you are fucking insane.

Or if you think lesbians caused 9/11, you are fucking insane.

Do I agree with all of what Wright said? Fuck no. But he’s nowhere near as insane as the Christian Right, many of which brag about how much access they have to the president.

All those sites you think aren’t included in the Google News search results are generously represented.

Showing that the Obama/Wright story has gotten more coverage doesn’t lend credibility to the statement that McCain got a “free pass.”

Um, yes it does. Obama/Wright story? Covered endlessly. McCain/Hagee? NOT covered endlessly.

That’s exactly what a “free pass” is, Jay.

…I’m sorry but I thought that I had done. I didn’t think when I suggested McCain was getting a “free pass” that anyone would have read that as me saying that nobody anywhere was saying anything at all about it. Did you think I was somehow under the mistaken impression that by bringing it up I was the first person to say anything about it anywhere in the history of forever-ever? Is that what you thought I was thinking? Sweetened Fanciful Moses-style Flavoring man, Just becase it pleases you to think I’m an idiot doesn’t mean I actually am one.

And if you’re willing to put your money where your mouth is, I’ll guarantee we have not seen the last of the McCain/Hagee coverage and that it will only ramp up once the general campaign gets under way.

Fine, know what? You’re entirely on my friend. One month from today we find which has had the most mention in major media for the past week, McCain-Hagee or Obama-Wright. Loser buys lunch for the Winner. Shake?

Here’s the Salon article about it.

And Internet traffic to many websites is higher than that of many cable news shows and what you refer to as “actual news sites.” Unless you’re one who believes more people read YNetnews than Daily Kos. In addition, I didn’t raise a comparison between McCain and Obama. That’s something you did and it’s completely irrelevant. Showing that the Obama/Wright story has gotten more coverage doesn’t lend credibility to the statement that McCain got a “free pass.” It’s not surprising that Obama’s relationship with Wright has gotten a lot of coverage. There’s several reasons:

1. Obama is locked in a tight race with Hillary Clinton. McCain pretty much had the nomination locked up when the stories came out about John Hagee.

2. Obama has enjoyed a love affair with the media for the longest time and he’s largely been up front about other things the media would have obsessed over. This is one he didn’t take care of quickly enough.

Its nice to see though that you have to make such ridiculous analogies since you can’t even pretend that CNN/NBC/FNC/etc. is giving Hagee-McCain anydamnwhere near the same amount or style of coverage they’re giving Wright-Obama, which was the main point I was trying to make

If that’s the point you were trying to make, then that’s what you should have said! Your statement stood on it’s own and it doesn’t hold water. And if you’re willing to put your money where your mouth is, I’ll guarantee we have not seen the last of the McCain/Hagee coverage and that it will only ramp up once the general campaign gets under way.

Slate and other websites might be part of the media but let’s not pretend that an article, or even a series of artciles, on Slate has anywhere near the same impact as constant repetition of video clips on network and cable news shows. I don’t remember seeing the Hagee/McCain thing running non stop on a loop for three weeks straight on any of the major broadcast news shows. Hell, I remember Hagee/McCain as a by and large internet-based controversy that never really filtered up the national broadcast media. Certainly no where near the way the Wright/Obama thing has.

In today’s media environment, “Free Pass,” doesn’t mean no one ever covers a controversy. Almost every dust up will make the news in some way shape or form during election season if only because the news shows have 24 hours of air time to fill, 24/7. “Free Pass” in this day and age, then, means a controversy is off the news shows in one or two cycles. That’s what happened with Hagee/McCain. It killed 5 minutes of news time for a day or two and was gone. Wright/Obama has dominated the broadcast media, from news shows to the talk shows, for weeks now. Weeks.

Hagee/McCain? Free Pass.
Wright/Obama? not so much.

Hey, we all love the site and our host but are you suggesting that Oliverwillis.com is driving the national debate and should be included as part of the mainstream media? Seriously? (sorry oliver)

Google News search

site: Slate.com

mccain hagee - 1 result (titled ‘Wright or wrong’)
obama wright - 11 results

Second, Slate is actually included in Google News–see for yourself. Salon does not appear to be a site Google News tracks.

Is your argument still that one can’t say McCain gets a free pass?

I beg your pardon Jay but I was the one who said “Free Pass,” and I fail to see how “several non-media affiliated websites” is actually equal to the 24-hour news apparatus we have in this country. Its nice to see though that you have to make such ridiculous analogies since you can’t even pretend that CNN/NBC/FNC/etc. is giving Hagee-McCain anydamnwhere near the same amount or style of coverage they’re giving Wright-Obama, which was the main point I was trying to make, and which you cannot even refute.

You have instead tried to dispute something neither I or my friend John Strawman overhere were even saying, which seems to be some variant of “John McCain gets a free pass on Hagee, which is to say that nowhere in the entire world of information is there a single mention of their connection, at all, ever.” This is of course not only a lie, but a lie to which the truth is meaningless. Christ if you’re trying to cite the entire internet as a source you may as well indict the Smurfs for 9/11. Pretending we’re saying things we’re not and that the evidence says things that it doesnt, coupled with your own personal redefinition of terms comes off as not a little bit delusional, and to close by claiming we believe in comic books and leprechauns and bridge sales doesn’t make you seem less of a dick.

“They represent 54 percent of the new HIV/AIDS cases in America, 70 percent of the new cases among American youth are Black, and nearly 67 percent of the new HIV/AIDS cases among American women are Black, and 43 percent of the new cases among men are Black. Most importantly, the majority of those still dying from AIDS in America, totaling more than 18,000 last year, were Black.”

War on Drugs:

“According to a 2006 report by the American Civil Liberties Union, African Americans make up an estimated 15% of drug users, but they account for 37% of those arrested on drug charges, 59% of those convicted and 74% of all drug offenders sentenced to prison. Or consider this: The U.S. has 260,000 people in state prisons on nonviolent drug charges; 183,200 (more than 70%) of them are black or Latino.”

do those 1,000 hits tell you whether they are favorable or not? Hardly a scientific analysis.