The difference being, of course, that McCain wasn’t a voluntary member of Hagee’s congregation for over 2 decades.

What, did they force him to go?

I’m no mind reader, but I’ll guess the reason you don’t want to answer is because you don’t have an answer.

As for the church preferences of Mssrs. Romney, Bush, and Kerry, I have offered no opinion, perspicacious or dull. Thus, your witty rejoinder misses its mark.

I think it’s safe to say that idiots like farris don’t even really care about god or pastors or church or any of that shit. It’s just about being a dick. That’s it.

I don’t believe in god, but one thing I wish we had was the fellowship, seems like a good place to make friends. That being said I wish it didn’t matter what church our presidential candidates went to and it did matter what their position on issues is. But a lot of the public are dolts like farris and don’t give a damn about the issues as long as their candidate follows the same invisible man that they do.

As to this, I don’t think anyone here really gives a crap about what church Bush or Romney or any politician goes to. It’s when politicians try to legislate their morality on others that people get upset.

Only the right seems to want to equate mere attendance at a church as some how suspicious. All a politician has to be is a muslim for the right to raise questions about their loyalty and patriotism.

If you’re suggesting that Wright’s controversial comments reflect Obama’s true feelings about America, you’re just being an ass.

And yet you still haven’t articulated what it says about Obama …

And for the person above, Obama is responding quickly and forcefully to this nonsense. He’s not John Kerry or the old-line Democrats.

said Obama’s membership in Wright’s church “tells us a lot about what Obama believes.”

I guess I’m just not quite as perspicacious as you.

You weren’t so perspicacious when we were talking about Mitt Romney’s church, were you?

Going to a hard-core Evangelical church (like Bush) tells you something about him.

Going to an easy-going not-so-Orthodox church (like Kerry, Kennedy) tells us something about them.

Going to a church led by Dr. Wright tells us something about Obama, no matter how much you don’t want to hear it.

I happen to attend services at a very liberal church with my wife in San Francisco and a very conservative Catholic church with her family in the California Central Valley

I see. So you CHOOSE to go to a predominantly liberal church when it’s just you and your (presumably lovely) wife. And your more conservative inlaws CHOOSE to go to a more conservative church … Thanks for making my point again!!!!

Save, you’re sort of assuming that every Sunday for 2 decades Wright was at the pulpit shouting “God Damn America.” I would venture to guess that he probably wasn’t.

Obama was pretty clear that he didn’t agree with Wright’s statements about 9-11 but that he agreed with Wright’s philosophy of, what Obama called, the “social gospel.” I’d be willing to bet that the fiery shit was the rarity and the social gospel stuff was the norm.

In the real world, the world in which the rest of us live, we interact with different people and don’t necessarily support or endorse all or even some of their positions. I happen to attend services at a very liberal church with my wife in San Francisco and a very conservative Catholic church with her family in the California Central Valley. I don’t agree with the Pope and don’t even agree with my very liberal pastor all the time. But this is where you just don’t get it – probably on purpose. People are free thinking and act on free will. Obama’s former pastor has said hateful things. It is his right to do so and it is Obama’s right to reject those things. Is this really so hard to understand?

Waaaay back up there, you said Obama’s membership in Wright’s church “tells us a lot about what Obama believes.”

I guess I’m just not quite as perspicacious as you. Explain please, what this tells us.

Which is why the less Orthodox folks like Kerry, Kennedy, et. al. attend churches where the Priests aren’t hard-liners.

Thanks for proving my point!!!

Piping hot, coming right out of the oven!!

Your first mistake was trying to use logic on her. Politics isn’t about logic. It’s about emotion. She was expressing an emotional argument. You needed to respond with an emotional counter-argument. Not an ANGRY argument, just one that makes an emotional appeal.

This is the hardest thing for Democrats to understand and absorb. They keep trying to argue the logic of politics and they keep hitting a brick wall.

This is why I think it would be monumentally stupid for anyone to think the Wright video is no big deal because it can be argued away logically. Sorry, if you believe that you will be destroyed in any political argument.

Your experience is just a preview of what is coming if you don’t adjust and learn.

That strategy worked really well didn’t it?

When will you people wake up and realize that LOGIC has nothing to do with politics. All people will have to hear is “Barack Obama’s pastor said ‘God Damn America’” and, WOOSH!, there goes 5-10 points in the Fall election.

The GOP realized long ago that you don’t need to fool all the people all the time. You just need to fool enough of the people enough of the time.

If Obama doesn’t respond forcefully on this then he WILL suffer (as will the rest of us by proxy).

Folks, we choose our pastors and places of worship for a number of reasons which have nothing to do with our philosophical connection to their teachings. Can we finally put 1959 behind us?