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	<title>Comments on: Hillary Clinton Vs. The Democratic Party</title>
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	<description>Like Kryptonite To Stupid</description>
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		<title>By: duros62</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/03/07/hillary-clinton-vs-the-democratic-party/#comment-87133</link>
		<dc:creator>duros62</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 01:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meanwhile, Obama takes Wyoming and widens the delegate gap even further.
Go Team Venture!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meanwhile, Obama takes Wyoming and widens the delegate gap even further.<br />
Go Team Venture!</p>
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		<title>By: Megamoze</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/03/07/hillary-clinton-vs-the-democratic-party/#comment-87104</link>
		<dc:creator>Megamoze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 10:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And. once again, she will have powerful arguments to make her case before the superdelegates.&lt;/i&gt;

No she won&#039;t.  She will go to them behind in the popular vote and the delegate count.  The only chance she has will be to pursuade them to vote AGAINST their constituents - a move she would be all too happy to take but would ultimately rip apart the entire party.

&lt;i&gt;You of all people HAVE to admit the Party NEEDS to solve the injustice of having millions of good Democrats left without a voice in selecting their candidate in MI and FL&lt;/i&gt;

Hillary should have thought of this before she agreed not to seat those delegates.  She agreed and now she&#039;s trying to change the rules.  Because rules don&#039;t apply to royal dynasties like the Clintons and the Bushes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And. once again, she will have powerful arguments to make her case before the superdelegates.</i></p>
<p>No she won&#8217;t.  She will go to them behind in the popular vote and the delegate count.  The only chance she has will be to pursuade them to vote AGAINST their constituents &#8211; a move she would be all too happy to take but would ultimately rip apart the entire party.</p>
<p><i>You of all people HAVE to admit the Party NEEDS to solve the injustice of having millions of good Democrats left without a voice in selecting their candidate in MI and FL</i></p>
<p>Hillary should have thought of this before she agreed not to seat those delegates.  She agreed and now she&#8217;s trying to change the rules.  Because rules don&#8217;t apply to royal dynasties like the Clintons and the Bushes.</p>
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		<title>By: bostondreams</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/03/07/hillary-clinton-vs-the-democratic-party/#comment-87044</link>
		<dc:creator>bostondreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 02:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a good link for you, on just what role Hillary played in the Northern Ireland peace agreement she has been pushing as part of her &#039;experience.&#039;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml&lt;/a&gt;

In short: there is no there there.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a good link for you, on just what role Hillary played in the Northern Ireland peace agreement she has been pushing as part of her &#8216;experience.&#8217;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml</a></p>
<p>In short: there is no there there.</p>
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		<title>By: bostondreams</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/03/07/hillary-clinton-vs-the-democratic-party/#comment-87043</link>
		<dc:creator>bostondreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 02:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a good link for you, on just what role Hillary played in the Northern Ireland peace agreement she has been pushing as part of her &#039;experience.&#039;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml&lt;/a&gt;

In short: there is no there there.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a good link for you, on just what role Hillary played in the Northern Ireland peace agreement she has been pushing as part of her &#8216;experience.&#8217;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/08/wuspols108.xml</a></p>
<p>In short: there is no there there.</p>
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		<title>By: Sean D. Martin</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/03/07/hillary-clinton-vs-the-democratic-party/#comment-87042</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean D. Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wellstone: &quot;&lt;i&gt;You of all people HAVE to admit the Party NEEDS to solve the injustice of having millions of good Democrats left without a voice in selecting their candidate in MI and FL not because of something they did, but simply because of the greed, arrogance, and sheer stupidity of their state Party Dem leaders.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;


When the plans were made to move the primaries up, and it was clearly stated that if that happened the delegates would not be seated, were those &quot;millions of good Democrats&quot; complaining and pressuring their state Dem leaders to &lt;b&gt;not&lt;/b&gt; move the primaries?

I&#039;ve got small children.  I tell them clearly when they are not supposed to do something.  The penalties for doing so are well known.  I don&#039;t let them break the rules and then complain that they shouldn&#039;t have to face the consequences they knowingly brought about.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wellstone: &#8220;<i>You of all people HAVE to admit the Party NEEDS to solve the injustice of having millions of good Democrats left without a voice in selecting their candidate in MI and FL not because of something they did, but simply because of the greed, arrogance, and sheer stupidity of their state Party Dem leaders.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>When the plans were made to move the primaries up, and it was clearly stated that if that happened the delegates would not be seated, were those &#8220;millions of good Democrats&#8221; complaining and pressuring their state Dem leaders to <b>not</b> move the primaries?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got small children.  I tell them clearly when they are not supposed to do something.  The penalties for doing so are well known.  I don&#8217;t let them break the rules and then complain that they shouldn&#8217;t have to face the consequences they knowingly brought about.</p>
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		<title>By: Wellstone</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/03/07/hillary-clinton-vs-the-democratic-party/#comment-87041</link>
		<dc:creator>Wellstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 21:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Disagree.

Your &quot;math&quot; makes presumptions about the SuperDelegates, and it presumes there will be no re-vote in FL and MI.

If she wins PA decisively, then wins a revote in Florida decisively, and does just OK in Michigan, neither candidate will finish with 2025, and we throw it to the superdelegates.

And. once again, she will have powerful arguments to make her case before the superdelegates.

You Obamas are trying to make it sound like it&#039;s a Clinton-DNC back-room deal, and trying to make a victim out of Obama to pressure Dean and the DNC.

Disingenuous, manipulative Bull.

This is just the process working as designed, as Pelosi has said.

You of all people HAVE to admit the Party NEEDS to solve the injustice of having millions of good Democrats left without a voice in selecting their candidate in MI and FL not because of something they did, but simply because of the greed, arrogance, and sheer stupidity of their state Party Dem leaders.

Regardless of the results.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disagree.</p>
<p>Your &#8220;math&#8221; makes presumptions about the SuperDelegates, and it presumes there will be no re-vote in FL and MI.</p>
<p>If she wins PA decisively, then wins a revote in Florida decisively, and does just OK in Michigan, neither candidate will finish with 2025, and we throw it to the superdelegates.</p>
<p>And. once again, she will have powerful arguments to make her case before the superdelegates.</p>
<p>You Obamas are trying to make it sound like it&#8217;s a Clinton-DNC back-room deal, and trying to make a victim out of Obama to pressure Dean and the DNC.</p>
<p>Disingenuous, manipulative Bull.</p>
<p>This is just the process working as designed, as Pelosi has said.</p>
<p>You of all people HAVE to admit the Party NEEDS to solve the injustice of having millions of good Democrats left without a voice in selecting their candidate in MI and FL not because of something they did, but simply because of the greed, arrogance, and sheer stupidity of their state Party Dem leaders.</p>
<p>Regardless of the results.</p>
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