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		<title>By: pd100</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 19:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America will gladly take someone who is perceived as an empty suit by some over one who has been proven to have an empty head.

Look for no further &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/04/08/edi04057.html#video&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;than here&lt;/a&gt; for proof.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America will gladly take someone who is perceived as an empty suit by some over one who has been proven to have an empty head.</p>
<p>Look for no further <a href="http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/04/08/edi04057.html#video" rel="nofollow">than here</a> for proof.</p>
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		<title>By: skeeters</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/03/05/obama-cowboying-up/#comment-56272</link>
		<dc:creator>skeeters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 18:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t worry. David Axelrod ran Harold Washington&#039;s mayorial campaign in Chicago. The Democratic oppositions was just as sleazy and racist as the Clintons and he came through.

Here&#039;s what you do.

Hey Hillary.  You claim Obama has done something illegal with Rezco.   So you obviously have evidence that the prosecutors in Illinois doesn&#039;t have. So save them the time in money. Let us see your evidence.

Or are you just lying?

Hillary.  There are a million people in this Country sick, dying, or going broke trying to get health care.

You claim you are an experienced leader with all these years of experience.  You claim you spent all your years in the White House fighting for us.

So tell us, where is the health care.

Or are you lying again.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t worry. David Axelrod ran Harold Washington&#8217;s mayorial campaign in Chicago. The Democratic oppositions was just as sleazy and racist as the Clintons and he came through.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s what you do.</p>
<p>Hey Hillary.  You claim Obama has done something illegal with Rezco.   So you obviously have evidence that the prosecutors in Illinois doesn&#8217;t have. So save them the time in money. Let us see your evidence.</p>
<p>Or are you just lying?</p>
<p>Hillary.  There are a million people in this Country sick, dying, or going broke trying to get health care.</p>
<p>You claim you are an experienced leader with all these years of experience.  You claim you spent all your years in the White House fighting for us.</p>
<p>So tell us, where is the health care.</p>
<p>Or are you lying again.</p>
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		<title>By: fafaroo</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/03/05/obama-cowboying-up/#comment-56271</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay Tea, please, for the love of god, can you try, just a little, to think for yourself and do a little research? Obama has a webpage. I know. Imagine that. On that webpage is a link called &quot;Issues.&quot; It sounds crazy, but it&#039;s true! That link has a drop down menu with a list of words that include &quot;Economy,&quot; &quot;Education,&quot; &quot;Healthcare,&quot; and &quot;Foreign Policy.&quot; It&#039;s, like, wild, man. Among those words is also the word &quot;Iraq.&quot; It&#039;s a link that leads to this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;
Barack Obama&#039;s Plan
Judgment You Can Trust

As a candidate for the United States Senate in 2002, Obama put his political career on the line to oppose going to war in Iraq, and warned of “an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs, and undetermined consequences.” Obama has been a consistent, principled and vocal opponent of the war in Iraq.

* In 2003 and 2004, he spoke out against the war on the campaign trail;
* In 2005, he called for a phased withdrawal of our troops;
* In 2006, he called for a timetable to remove our troops, a political solution within Iraq, and aggressive diplomacy with all of Iraq’s neighbors;
* In January 2007, he introduced legislation in the Senate to remove all of our combat troops from Iraq by March 2008.
* In September 2007, he laid out a detailed plan for how he will end the war as president.

Bringing Our Troops Home

Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.

Press Iraq’s Leaders to Reconcile

The best way to press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future is to make it clear that we are leaving. As we remove our troops, Obama will engage representatives from all levels of Iraqi society – in and out of government – to seek a new accord on Iraq’s Constitution and governance. The United Nations will play a central role in this convention, which should not adjourn until a new national accord is reached addressing tough questions like federalism and oil revenue-sharing.

Regional Diplomacy

Obama will launch the most aggressive diplomatic effort in recent American history to reach a new compact on the stability of Iraq and the Middle East. This effort will include all of Iraq’s neighbors — including Iran and Syria. This compact will aim to secure Iraq’s borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda; support reconciliation among Iraq’s sectarian groups; and provide financial support for Iraq’s reconstruction.

Humanitarian Initiative

Obama believes that America has a moral and security responsibility to confront Iraq’s humanitarian crisis — two million Iraqis are refugees; two million more are displaced inside their own country. Obama will form an international working group to address this crisis. He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now if you have a problem with any of the actual  proposals that Obama has laid out on Iraq, let&#039;s hear &#039;em. Have at it. But remember, if you want to discuss his actual proposals, you won&#039;t be able keep repeating the same, tired right wingg talking points. I know that&#039;s a tough choice. Think for yourself or regurgitate. But I know you&#039;ll make the right call. Now I could provide a link to Obama&#039;s website for you, but you really need to start learning to find this stuff yourself. It&#039;s the first step toward thinking for yourself, too.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay Tea, please, for the love of god, can you try, just a little, to think for yourself and do a little research? Obama has a webpage. I know. Imagine that. On that webpage is a link called &#8220;Issues.&#8221; It sounds crazy, but it&#8217;s true! That link has a drop down menu with a list of words that include &#8220;Economy,&#8221; &#8220;Education,&#8221; &#8220;Healthcare,&#8221; and &#8220;Foreign Policy.&#8221; It&#8217;s, like, wild, man. Among those words is also the word &#8220;Iraq.&#8221; It&#8217;s a link that leads to this:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Barack Obama&#8217;s Plan<br />
Judgment You Can Trust</p>
<p>As a candidate for the United States Senate in 2002, Obama put his political career on the line to oppose going to war in Iraq, and warned of “an occupation of undetermined length, with undetermined costs, and undetermined consequences.” Obama has been a consistent, principled and vocal opponent of the war in Iraq.</p>
<p>* In 2003 and 2004, he spoke out against the war on the campaign trail;<br />
* In 2005, he called for a phased withdrawal of our troops;<br />
* In 2006, he called for a timetable to remove our troops, a political solution within Iraq, and aggressive diplomacy with all of Iraq’s neighbors;<br />
* In January 2007, he introduced legislation in the Senate to remove all of our combat troops from Iraq by March 2008.<br />
* In September 2007, he laid out a detailed plan for how he will end the war as president.</p>
<p>Bringing Our Troops Home</p>
<p>Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda.</p>
<p>Press Iraq’s Leaders to Reconcile</p>
<p>The best way to press Iraq’s leaders to take responsibility for their future is to make it clear that we are leaving. As we remove our troops, Obama will engage representatives from all levels of Iraqi society – in and out of government – to seek a new accord on Iraq’s Constitution and governance. The United Nations will play a central role in this convention, which should not adjourn until a new national accord is reached addressing tough questions like federalism and oil revenue-sharing.</p>
<p>Regional Diplomacy</p>
<p>Obama will launch the most aggressive diplomatic effort in recent American history to reach a new compact on the stability of Iraq and the Middle East. This effort will include all of Iraq’s neighbors — including Iran and Syria. This compact will aim to secure Iraq’s borders; keep neighboring countries from meddling inside Iraq; isolate al Qaeda; support reconciliation among Iraq’s sectarian groups; and provide financial support for Iraq’s reconstruction.</p>
<p>Humanitarian Initiative</p>
<p>Obama believes that America has a moral and security responsibility to confront Iraq’s humanitarian crisis — two million Iraqis are refugees; two million more are displaced inside their own country. Obama will form an international working group to address this crisis. He will provide at least $2 billion to expand services to Iraqi refugees in neighboring countries, and ensure that Iraqis inside their own country can find a safe-haven. </p></blockquote>
<p>Now if you have a problem with any of the actual  proposals that Obama has laid out on Iraq, let&#8217;s hear &#8216;em. Have at it. But remember, if you want to discuss his actual proposals, you won&#8217;t be able keep repeating the same, tired right wingg talking points. I know that&#8217;s a tough choice. Think for yourself or regurgitate. But I know you&#8217;ll make the right call. Now I could provide a link to Obama&#8217;s website for you, but you really need to start learning to find this stuff yourself. It&#8217;s the first step toward thinking for yourself, too.</p>
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		<title>By: I'm a Hick</title>
		<link>http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/03/05/obama-cowboying-up/#comment-56270</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Duros.  Experience, of course is good, but there&#039;s an intangible quality that makes a great President that can make up for a lack of experience and which all the experience can&#039;t compensate for if missing.  George Will noted Sunday that James Buchannan had more experience, on paper, than anyone.  He alsothought the use of force to prevent secession was unconstitutional (while believing secession was also unconstitutional).  Of course, his successor, with less experience but more resolve, preserved the Union.  I noted in an earlier post, yesterday was the 75th anniversary of FDR&#039;s first innaugural (correct?).  He certainly had something to say about fear that day. During the campaign, Walter Lippmann, the leading journalist of the day (and eventual New Deal supporter) had called FDR an amiable boy scout with a nice smile and no particular qualifications.  I voted for Obama because he seems to have that intangible but could live with Clinton. I could be totally wrong, but sometimes you have to go with your gut.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Duros.  Experience, of course is good, but there&#8217;s an intangible quality that makes a great President that can make up for a lack of experience and which all the experience can&#8217;t compensate for if missing.  George Will noted Sunday that James Buchannan had more experience, on paper, than anyone.  He alsothought the use of force to prevent secession was unconstitutional (while believing secession was also unconstitutional).  Of course, his successor, with less experience but more resolve, preserved the Union.  I noted in an earlier post, yesterday was the 75th anniversary of FDR&#8217;s first innaugural (correct?).  He certainly had something to say about fear that day. During the campaign, Walter Lippmann, the leading journalist of the day (and eventual New Deal supporter) had called FDR an amiable boy scout with a nice smile and no particular qualifications.  I voted for Obama because he seems to have that intangible but could live with Clinton. I could be totally wrong, but sometimes you have to go with your gut.</p>
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		<title>By: duros62</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 16:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, please don&#039;t talk too much about empty suits. You&#039;re on shaky ground, &quot;my friend.&quot;

It seems the Clinton team is getting pointers from &lt;a&gt;Team Rove&lt;/a&gt;, though.

&lt;i&gt;McCain&#039;s ONLY card is experience and maturity, and Hillary can see that bet and raise him. Obama simply can&#039;t.

&lt;/i&gt;

I call bullshit. it comes down to experience vs. judegment. Look at this administration. Boatloads of experience, bad judgment form day one. &lt;b&gt;No one has the experience to be president.&lt;/b&gt; That&#039;s not what it&#039;s about. Based on the last 7 years, I&#039;ll take judgment over  experience and hope over fear any day of the week.
&lt;blockquote&gt;If one candidate’s trying to scare you and the other one’s trying to get you to think, if one candidate’s appealing to your fears and the other one’s appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope.&quot;

-Bill Clinton, 2004 &lt;/blockquote&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, please don&#8217;t talk too much about empty suits. You&#8217;re on shaky ground, &#8220;my friend.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems the Clinton team is getting pointers from <a>Team Rove</a>, though.</p>
<p><i>McCain&#8217;s ONLY card is experience and maturity, and Hillary can see that bet and raise him. Obama simply can&#8217;t.</p>
<p></i></p>
<p>I call bullshit. it comes down to experience vs. judegment. Look at this administration. Boatloads of experience, bad judgment form day one. <b>No one has the experience to be president.</b> That&#8217;s not what it&#8217;s about. Based on the last 7 years, I&#8217;ll take judgment over  experience and hope over fear any day of the week.</p>
<blockquote><p>If one candidate’s trying to scare you and the other one’s trying to get you to think, if one candidate’s appealing to your fears and the other one’s appealing to your hopes, you better vote for the person who wants you to think and hope.&#8221;</p>
<p>-Bill Clinton, 2004 </p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Wellstone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wellstone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 15:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes 2025, and neither one can get there.

Obama&#039;s lead is tiny, basically meaningless in terms of importance:  It came from states where the Dem candidate has no chance even with heavy Dem turnout.

Obama will fight a re-vote in Florida and Michigan, because he knows if that goes down, Hillary&#039;s unstoppable.

But it will happen.  Has to be.

It will then come down to the perception of the superdelegates as to which candidate has a better shot at McCain.

I say Hillary does.

McCain&#039;s ONLY card is experience and maturity, and Hillary can see that bet and raise him.  Obama simply can&#039;t.

AS to which has the more pull in bringing other Dems along, Hillary showed in NH and Ohio and California and New York and Massachusetts that she has the support of the Dem base, and that&#039;s who elects Dems, not independents or crossovers.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes 2025, and neither one can get there.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s lead is tiny, basically meaningless in terms of importance:  It came from states where the Dem candidate has no chance even with heavy Dem turnout.</p>
<p>Obama will fight a re-vote in Florida and Michigan, because he knows if that goes down, Hillary&#8217;s unstoppable.</p>
<p>But it will happen.  Has to be.</p>
<p>It will then come down to the perception of the superdelegates as to which candidate has a better shot at McCain.</p>
<p>I say Hillary does.</p>
<p>McCain&#8217;s ONLY card is experience and maturity, and Hillary can see that bet and raise him.  Obama simply can&#8217;t.</p>
<p>AS to which has the more pull in bringing other Dems along, Hillary showed in NH and Ohio and California and New York and Massachusetts that she has the support of the Dem base, and that&#8217;s who elects Dems, not independents or crossovers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Tea</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Tea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 10:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, it&#039;s now a Republican trait to recognize empty, meaningless rhetoric and no point out that the guy&#039;s an empty suit? That his Iraq &quot;solution&quot; consists mainly of saying &quot;I told you so&quot; a bunch of times? That he&#039;s been caught talking out of both sides of his mouth on NAFTA?

That sounds suspiciously like a compliment to Republicans and Ms. Clinton...

J.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, it&#8217;s now a Republican trait to recognize empty, meaningless rhetoric and no point out that the guy&#8217;s an empty suit? That his Iraq &#8220;solution&#8221; consists mainly of saying &#8220;I told you so&#8221; a bunch of times? That he&#8217;s been caught talking out of both sides of his mouth on NAFTA?</p>
<p>That sounds suspiciously like a compliment to Republicans and Ms. Clinton&#8230;</p>
<p>J.</p>
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		<title>By: somejackass</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It&#039;s time to pick a president.&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s not going to go down like that. Clinton has stopped Obama&#039;s winning streak, so she has momentum now. But Obama will nip that in the bud within the week via wins in Wyoming and Mississippi (a southern state and a caucus). Momentum will continue to yo-yo, with Clinton regaining some in Pennsylvania, then Obama gaining it back on May 6th (North Carolina and Indiana), then Clinton pickups in Kentucky in West Virginia later in May. In short, it&#039;s going to be a long, bumpy ride unless someone seriously screws up.

With Obama in the overall lead, and Clinton making it clear she&#039;ll do anything to win, I don&#039;t see anyone conceding... Hate to disagree with you, O-dub, but it may come down to the convention after all.

The only way out of the impasse that I see is for Dean to call for redos in Michigan and Florida to increase the chance that someone can get to 2025. But that would require some serious cojones. And while you&#039;re doing legally risky things which set bad precedents, might as well try to move all of the other primaries and caucuses up to ASAP as well. Otherwise McCain just sits back and laughs for 3 months while Obama and Clinton get more and more negative, making each other completely unviable.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It&#8217;s time to pick a president.</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s not going to go down like that. Clinton has stopped Obama&#8217;s winning streak, so she has momentum now. But Obama will nip that in the bud within the week via wins in Wyoming and Mississippi (a southern state and a caucus). Momentum will continue to yo-yo, with Clinton regaining some in Pennsylvania, then Obama gaining it back on May 6th (North Carolina and Indiana), then Clinton pickups in Kentucky in West Virginia later in May. In short, it&#8217;s going to be a long, bumpy ride unless someone seriously screws up.</p>
<p>With Obama in the overall lead, and Clinton making it clear she&#8217;ll do anything to win, I don&#8217;t see anyone conceding&#8230; Hate to disagree with you, O-dub, but it may come down to the convention after all.</p>
<p>The only way out of the impasse that I see is for Dean to call for redos in Michigan and Florida to increase the chance that someone can get to 2025. But that would require some serious cojones. And while you&#8217;re doing legally risky things which set bad precedents, might as well try to move all of the other primaries and caucuses up to ASAP as well. Otherwise McCain just sits back and laughs for 3 months while Obama and Clinton get more and more negative, making each other completely unviable.</p>
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