Comments on: The Candidate AGAINST Hope And Aspiration? http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/02/24/the-candidate-against-hope-and-aspiration/ Like Kryptonite To Stupid Sun, 23 Nov 2008 21:00:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Enlightened Liberal http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/02/24/the-candidate-against-hope-and-aspiration/#comment-56668 Enlightened Liberal Mon, 25 Feb 2008 19:12:54 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=4087#comment-56668 So Tx liberal you would vote against Hillary in the general election? Really? That's the same strategery that gave us 8 years of Bush. (See Nader, Ralph) So Tx liberal you would vote against Hillary in the general election? Really? That’s the same strategery that gave us 8 years of Bush. (See Nader, Ralph)

]]> By: Tx Liberal http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/02/24/the-candidate-against-hope-and-aspiration/#comment-56667 Tx Liberal Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:48:16 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=4087#comment-56667 Personally, in the long run it really doesn't matter a hell of a lot whether "queen hilliary" gets the nomination or not. If she loses to Obama, all the better for the democratic party. If she wins, I get to vote against her sorry ass twice! Personally, in the long run it really doesn’t matter a hell of a lot whether “queen hilliary” gets the nomination or not. If she loses to Obama, all the better for the democratic party. If she wins, I get to vote against her sorry ass twice!

]]> By: duros62 http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/02/24/the-candidate-against-hope-and-aspiration/#comment-56666 duros62 Mon, 25 Feb 2008 18:01:58 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=4087#comment-56666 <i>The MSM wanted Hillary to get the nod, because she's the one they'd prepared for, just as the GOP wanted her to get the nod because they'd prepared for her.</i> If she doesn't, they have to redo all their on-screen graphics and get the yard signs all reprinted. The MSM wanted Hillary to get the nod, because she’s the one they’d prepared for, just as the GOP wanted her to get the nod because they’d prepared for her.

If she doesn’t, they have to redo all their on-screen graphics and get the yard signs all reprinted.

]]> By: 4tehlulz http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/02/24/the-candidate-against-hope-and-aspiration/#comment-56665 4tehlulz Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:52:10 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=4087#comment-56665 <a href="http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">"... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama" - Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire. January 7, 2008.</a> <a href="http://www.kraftfoods.com/koolaid/" rel="nofollow">beverage</a> * <a href="http://flighttoguyana.com/" rel="nofollow">transportation</a> “… a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany … and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama” - Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire. January 7, 2008.

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]]> By: dasclemhaus http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/02/24/the-candidate-against-hope-and-aspiration/#comment-56664 dasclemhaus Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:47:09 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=4087#comment-56664 ...and, to the extent that there is GOP encouragement to vote Obama, it's really just a psyche-out move. Here's how it works: 1) GOP encourages partisans to vote Obama 2) GOP makes sure Dems hear about it 3) Dems think, "If the GOP wants Obama. they must be sure they can beat him" 4) Dems vote for Clinton 5) Which is what the GOP wanted all along, because they've had 16 years to prepare for her and know how to frame her negatively (and effectively) 6) McCain wins in November by 3 percentage points. Happy, kangeroo? …and, to the extent that there is GOP encouragement to vote Obama, it’s really just a psyche-out move. Here’s how it works:

1) GOP encourages partisans to vote Obama
2) GOP makes sure Dems hear about it
3) Dems think, “If the GOP wants Obama. they must be sure they can beat him”
4) Dems vote for Clinton
5) Which is what the GOP wanted all along, because they’ve had 16 years to prepare for her and know how to frame her negatively (and effectively)
6) McCain wins in November by 3 percentage points.

Happy, kangeroo?

]]> By: CrustyDem http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/02/24/the-candidate-against-hope-and-aspiration/#comment-56663 CrustyDem Mon, 25 Feb 2008 05:09:58 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=4087#comment-56663 The difference, kangeroo, is that Obama mocks Clinton mildly to make a clear point (usually that they consider something "too hard"). Clinton sounds as if she's mocking change, hope, and progress. A better candidate could work an angle there (maybe Bill Clinton could manage it), but Hillary Clinton is tone deaf. Do you have any evidence of the GOP "encouraging their troops to vote for obama in the open primaries", because many people are reporting exactly the opposite. The difference, kangeroo, is that Obama mocks Clinton mildly to make a clear point (usually that they consider something “too hard”). Clinton sounds as if she’s mocking change, hope, and progress. A better candidate could work an angle there (maybe Bill Clinton could manage it), but Hillary Clinton is tone deaf.

Do you have any evidence of the GOP “encouraging their troops to vote for obama in the open primaries”, because many people are reporting exactly the opposite.

]]> By: kangeroo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/02/24/the-candidate-against-hope-and-aspiration/#comment-56662 kangeroo Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:35:07 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=4087#comment-56662 if you doubt the media's bias, check out these: <a href="http://www.cmpa.com/releases.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cmpa.com/releases.html</a> <a href="http://mediamatters.org/items/200801200003" rel="nofollow">http://mediamatters.org/items/200801200003</a> <a href="http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2008/02/driving_a_wedge.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2008/02/driving_a_wedge.htm</a> <a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=55807" rel="nofollow">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=55807</a> and it was the media, not hillary, that incessantly pushed the inevitability theme. i also think they did so deliberately in order to make tearing her down more dramatic (fun!): <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2008/02/memo_to_media_f.php." rel="nofollow">http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2008/02/memo_to_media_f.php.</a> and if the GOP wanted hillary to get the nom, they wouldn't be encouraging their troops to vote for obama in the open primaries. if you doubt the media’s bias, check out these:
http://www.cmpa.com/releases.html
http://mediamatters.org/items/200801200003
http://www.seeingtheforest.com/archives/2008/02/driving_a_wedge.htm
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=55807

and it was the media, not hillary, that incessantly pushed the inevitability theme. i also think they did so deliberately in order to make tearing her down more dramatic (fun!): http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2008/02/memo_to_media_f.php.

and if the GOP wanted hillary to get the nom, they wouldn’t be encouraging their troops to vote for obama in the open primaries.

]]> By: ignatz http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/02/24/the-candidate-against-hope-and-aspiration/#comment-56661 ignatz Mon, 25 Feb 2008 04:32:44 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=4087#comment-56661 How incredibly stupid, It looks like she's responding to Obama's idealistic appeal in the worst manner possible: by claiming to be cynical and declaring it a virtue. How incredibly stupid, It looks like she’s responding to Obama’s idealistic appeal in the worst manner possible: by claiming to be cynical and declaring it a virtue.

]]> By: dasclemhaus http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/02/24/the-candidate-against-hope-and-aspiration/#comment-56660 dasclemhaus Mon, 25 Feb 2008 02:08:24 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=4087#comment-56660 ...the same mainstream media that built up the "inevitability" of the Clinton nomination, expecting a bruising match-up with McCain or Giuliani and ready to rehash every detail of the family Clinton's history. Senator Clinton was the presumptive nominee; she was also presumptuous, with reason. The MSM <i>wanted</i> Hillary to get the nod, because she's the one they'd prepared for, just as the GOP wanted her to get the nod because <i>they'd</i> prepared for her. Do you actually believe that the MSM and GOP would summarily and arbitrarily drop a script they've been writing for sixteen years? It's in their best interests to marginalize Obama, not Hilary. That they haven't been able to do that, that Clinton hasn't been able to do that, doesn't mean there's a conspiracy, it means they're being whomped by a superior politician. …the same mainstream media that built up the “inevitability” of the Clinton nomination, expecting a bruising match-up with McCain or Giuliani and ready to rehash every detail of the family Clinton’s history. Senator Clinton was the presumptive nominee; she was also presumptuous, with reason. The MSM wanted Hillary to get the nod, because she’s the one they’d prepared for, just as the GOP wanted her to get the nod because they’d prepared for her.

Do you actually believe that the MSM and GOP would summarily and arbitrarily drop a script they’ve been writing for sixteen years? It’s in their best interests to marginalize Obama, not Hilary. That they haven’t been able to do that, that Clinton hasn’t been able to do that, doesn’t mean there’s a conspiracy, it means they’re being whomped by a superior politician.

]]> By: kangeroo http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/02/24/the-candidate-against-hope-and-aspiration/#comment-56659 kangeroo Mon, 25 Feb 2008 00:17:27 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=4087#comment-56659 obama's been mocking hillary and edwards in his rallies for a long time now; i bet you didn't care then. besides, huffpobama is in the tank with the mainstream media. obama’s been mocking hillary and edwards in his rallies for a long time now; i bet you didn’t care then. besides, huffpobama is in the tank with the mainstream media.

]]> By: megamoze http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/02/24/the-candidate-against-hope-and-aspiration/#comment-56658 megamoze Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:58:15 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=4087#comment-56658 The Audacity of Nope. The Audacity of Nope.

]]> By: z_adura http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/02/24/the-candidate-against-hope-and-aspiration/#comment-56657 z_adura Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:47:10 +0000 http://improveman.com/ow2008/?p=4087#comment-56657 Bill was indeed from Hope, Arkansas. Hill is from Desperation, Illinois. Bill was indeed from Hope, Arkansas. Hill is from Desperation, Illinois.

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